If it's good enough for the Christians, it's good enough for the non-Christians.
So much for religious freedom and tolearnce in America, eh?
As long as he's not trying to promote Islam and create policies and laws based on Islamic rule, I don't have a problem with him. I have had a serious problem with Bush and this Administrations constant Christian/God crap. Same with this guy.
Keep Islam, Christianity and any other religion out of it.
...and it's hilarious that he spouts off about knowing history and then pukes this crap all over the post: " It was also many African Muslims that were were stolen from africa and brought to america as slaves to work on the fields "
No mention of the true historical fact that many, many, many Africans, regardless whether Muslim or not; were in fact enslaved by other b;ack africans and sold by their own tribal leaders and black slavemasters........to Euro Whites.
No need to mention such things. It ruins the dramatic effect.
...and it's hilarious that he spouts off about knowing history and then pukes this crap all over the post: " It was also many African Muslims that were were stolen from africa and brought to america as slaves to work on the fields "
No mention of the true historical fact that many, many, many Africans, regardless whether Muslim or not; were in fact enslaved by other b;ack africans and sold by their own tribal leaders and black slavemasters........to Euro Whites.
No need to mention such things. It ruins the dramatic effect.
truth? that's just not the american way! (see Columbus Day)
...and it's hilarious that he spouts off about knowing history and then pukes this crap all over the post: " It was also many African Muslims that were were stolen from africa and brought to america as slaves to work on the fields "
No mention of the true historical fact that many, many, many Africans, regardless whether Muslim or not; were in fact enslaved by other b;ack africans and sold by their own tribal leaders and black slavemasters........to Euro Whites.
No need to mention such things. It ruins the dramatic effect.
I was not trying to hide that fact, if I was then I would not of mentioned the african muslim prince who was taken (as you said) by african tribes then sold. I did'nt think that I had to mention exactly how he ended up being a slave in america. The fact is they ended up slaves. also regardless, a huge number was stolen (as I mentioned), so what I said was not un true at all.
nevertheless enough evidence exists that Muslims were in america many years before columbus, we also know that muslims with their tools were pioneers in navigation, it's just fact.
You don't have to like it my friend,
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and btw, the sung document is a chinese document which should be looked at and not ignored.
Without religion telling those nutjobs that it's wrong those cases would've been immediatly thrown out.
WHAT?!
WHAT ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT?
Are you referring to the state constitutional amendments that made it unconstitutional to allow homosexual marriage within state boundaries? Is that it?
Those were referendums. Telling religious people to not vote based on their religious morality is like telling an atheist to not vote unless he pulls his head out of his ass: it cannot happen.
All I know is that to see, and not to speak, would be the great betrayal.
-Enoch Powell
nevertheless enough evidence exists that Muslims were in america many years before columbus, we also know that muslims with their tools were pioneers in navigation, it's just fact.
You don't have to like it my friend,
LOL, it has nothing to do with whether I like it or not.
There's also a plethora of evidence that there were several other cultures (groups of people) who came to North America, long before the Muslims did.
Including the people most people know as "The Vikings". who by the way also developed and created many tools and were true pioneers in navigation.
If you want to french kiss the Muslims' collective asses for these things, be objective and mention the other cultures (groups of people).
Your biased and unobjective love for pumping up Muslims is obvious.
My point was (if you go back to how this topic started) you'll see that I just wanted to point out how not foreign Islam is to America.
Nah, your point was to blow smoke up everyone's ass and make it seem like the Muslims were here long before anyone else and that they were the sole culture responsible for wonderful tools and inventions of navigation. Which is neither accurate or true, by any stretch. The Muslim culture in it's history has been responsible for many important inventions and break throughs, on several fronts. But they're hardly the only ones.
Creativity, invention, progress and break throughs are not exclusive to Muslims, as you would try to have others believe.
Also, your original comment about how they didn't hurt anyone is a bit inaccurate. They were driven out of here and forced to flee. Largely due to their arrogance and aggressive approach (regarding their religion)
Of course. I wouldn't expect you to make any objective comments on your own. Wouldn't want that.
Nah, your point was to blow smoke up everyone's ass and make it seem like the Muslims were here long before anyone else and that they were the sole culture responsible for wonderful tools and inventions of navigation. Which is neither accurate or true, by any stretch. The Muslim culture in it's history has been responsible for many important inventions and break throughs, on several fronts. But they're hardly the only ones.
Creativity, invention, progress and break throughs are not exclusive to Muslims, as you would try to have others believe.
Also, your original comment about how they didn't hurt anyone is a bit inaccurate. They were driven out of here and forced to flee. Largely due to their arrogance and aggressive approach (regarding their religion)
I think you know me well enough to know that i'm not shy about saying how I feel. If I thought the muslims from spain,africa were the first ever I would've of said it, but that would not be correct so I did'nt, I did however say that they were here many years before columbus.
As far as who they hurt when they came here, well it was also documented that they married among the natives. I'm sure fights broke out, but far from the blood shed the european non muslims brought to this land.
I also never said that they were the sole inveters or such and such, I'm sorry but I did'nt think I needed to mention every single person in my post.
But if you want I'll give you some examples, the greeks had started/invented many things, that is fact. another fact is that it was the arabs that helped preserve these works and in many cases added to them. so don't put words into my mouth and if I said things that did not come out as clear as I would've liked then i'll be happy to continue to clear out these issues.
Most historians agree that Columbus was the first to discover America, though.
Most historians? How about zero historians. Get your facts straight. He was, however, the first European to bring the European culture succesfully to the new continent.
As long as he's not trying to promote Islam and create policies and laws based on Islamic rule, I don't have a problem with him. I have had a serious problem with Bush and this Administrations constant Christian/God crap. Same with this guy.
Keep Islam, Christianity and any other religion out of it.
What about those of us who feel the same way about law influenced by other religions? The two biggest religions in America are Christianity and Islam. They need to coexist peacefully for America to work as designed.
So then said people who believe should be able to tell about what happens before you are born. Must be in the same place as when you die? And that place was pretty black and unknown. Same with you and everybody else.
Anyhow.........................Minnesota must have a lot of Muslims who like to vote in their new country or Bush is just that bad. Ever think of it that way Miller?
I also see a nice man who just got back from his time in Afgan had such a super time their that he decided to go out in a gun fight with cops then to go back for another tour. Maybe the perks just aren't what you seem to think they are Miller.
What about those of us who feel the same way about law influenced by other religions? The two biggest religions in America are Christianity and Islam. They need to coexist peacefully for America to work as designed.
Huh? Did I not make it clear in my post that I don't want any religion being the basis for policy and law?
Does this quote below ring a bell? Afterall, you did quote me in your post.
Posted by NMyTree: " Keep Islam, Christianity and any other religion out of it."
Huh? Did I not make it clear in my post that I don't want any religion being the basis for policy and law?
Does this quote below ring a bell? Afterall, you did quote me in your post.
Posted by NMyTree: " Keep Islam, Christianity and any other religion out of it."
I don't think it is reasonable to expect religion not be included in public policy. There are very many religious people that rely on scripture for comfort and inspiration and guidance. That is who they are - the only way to keep it out of policy or law would be to disqualify candidates who are religious. That would surely be interesting wouldn't it..:)
Huh? Did I not make it clear in my post that I don't want any religion being the basis for policy and law?
Does this quote below ring a bell? Afterall, you did quote me in your post.
Posted by NMyTree: " Keep Islam, Christianity and any other religion out of it."
I was just reinforcing your sentiment. However, there's really no way to keep religion out of legislative decisions, because most legislative decisions require an ethical standard that people carry with them based on the totallity of their beliefs. In that regard, there are plenty of laws on the books that reflect a Christian morality.
I'd just like to say that before people get all spun up about those same laws being written from an alternate (not opposing) morality, that they know the architecture of Islam...its moral foundation.
The only way to know that is to read the koran. Otherwise, you leave yourself exposed to the interpretation of opposing forces. I'm not referring to religious implications, strictly moral implications...since that is what the judiciary is founded on...moral implications of right or wrong.
We're on the same page. Leaving religion out of it is impossible to the extent that religious people want religious people to lead them.
Most historians? How about zero historians. Get your facts straight. He was, however, the first European to bring the European culture succesfully to the new continent.
and don't forget about the basket of diseases they brought along with them.
Speaking in Dearborn late Sunday night, the first Muslim elected to Congress told a cheering crowd of Muslims they should remain steadfast in their faith and push for justice.
"You can't back down. You can't chicken out. You can't be afraid. You got to have faith in Allah, and you've got to stand up and be a real Muslim," Detroit native Keith Ellison said to loud applause.
Many in the crowd replied "Allahu akbar" -- God is great.
Ellison, a Minnesota Democrat elected to the U.S. House in November, has been the center of a national debate in recent weeks over Islam and its role in politics. Ellison has said he would take his oath of office on the Quran, the Muslim holy book, igniting a storm of criticism from some commentators
He is not taking the public oath with all the house members on the Koran. He is taking an oath on the Koran in a private ceremony with family. Anyone who has a problem with any of this should better study the first amendment.
He also said that first and formost his obligation is to the US constitution and that this is what he is swearing to uphold, not any singular religious text.
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What a joke of a comment. You have to be going for laughs. You can't be serious.
As long as he's not trying to promote Islam and create policies and laws based on Islamic rule, I don't have a problem with him. I have had a serious problem with Bush and this Administrations constant Christian/God crap. Same with this guy.
Keep Islam, Christianity and any other religion out of it.
as long as he doesn't try to formulate laws based on his beliefs, like Christians do, then he can preach on.
...and it's hilarious that he spouts off about knowing history and then pukes this crap all over the post: " It was also many African Muslims that were were stolen from africa and brought to america as slaves to work on the fields "
No mention of the true historical fact that many, many, many Africans, regardless whether Muslim or not; were in fact enslaved by other b;ack africans and sold by their own tribal leaders and black slavemasters........to Euro Whites.
No need to mention such things. It ruins the dramatic effect.
truth? that's just not the american way! (see Columbus Day)
I was not trying to hide that fact, if I was then I would not of mentioned the african muslim prince who was taken (as you said) by african tribes then sold. I did'nt think that I had to mention exactly how he ended up being a slave in america. The fact is they ended up slaves. also regardless, a huge number was stolen (as I mentioned), so what I said was not un true at all.
nevertheless enough evidence exists that Muslims were in america many years before columbus, we also know that muslims with their tools were pioneers in navigation, it's just fact.
You don't have to like it my friend,
---
and btw, the sung document is a chinese document which should be looked at and not ignored.
WHAT?!
WHAT ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT?
Are you referring to the state constitutional amendments that made it unconstitutional to allow homosexual marriage within state boundaries? Is that it?
Those were referendums. Telling religious people to not vote based on their religious morality is like telling an atheist to not vote unless he pulls his head out of his ass: it cannot happen.
-Enoch Powell
i dont understand how he can compare what this guy said, to george bush using religion as a political tool. theres a huge difference
o come on man..you dont think this guy wants the muslim vote...
and when you die nothing happens
my only concern is when bush uses christian beliefs to decide what is right and wrong when making laws
its not the same thing
LOL, it has nothing to do with whether I like it or not.
There's also a plethora of evidence that there were several other cultures (groups of people) who came to North America, long before the Muslims did.
Including the people most people know as "The Vikings". who by the way also developed and created many tools and were true pioneers in navigation.
If you want to french kiss the Muslims' collective asses for these things, be objective and mention the other cultures (groups of people).
Your biased and unobjective love for pumping up Muslims is obvious.
lol hysterical
well when you start a thread about the vikings I promise to post some things about them.
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My point was (if you go back to how this topic started) you'll see that I just wanted to point out how not foreign Islam is to America.
Yea i heard George washington was a big fan of Sharia law....
o ok. well im glad we cleared that up
Of course. I wouldn't expect you to make any objective comments on your own. Wouldn't want that.
Nah, your point was to blow smoke up everyone's ass and make it seem like the Muslims were here long before anyone else and that they were the sole culture responsible for wonderful tools and inventions of navigation. Which is neither accurate or true, by any stretch. The Muslim culture in it's history has been responsible for many important inventions and break throughs, on several fronts. But they're hardly the only ones.
Creativity, invention, progress and break throughs are not exclusive to Muslims, as you would try to have others believe.
Also, your original comment about how they didn't hurt anyone is a bit inaccurate. They were driven out of here and forced to flee. Largely due to their arrogance and aggressive approach (regarding their religion)
I quite enhoy people who speak of their faith.. Lincoln for example did it beautifully.
Bush said God wanted him to invade Iraq.. thats not faith - thats insane.
There's a thin line between faith and insanity, and Bush is clearly on the wrong side of it.
I think you know me well enough to know that i'm not shy about saying how I feel. If I thought the muslims from spain,africa were the first ever I would've of said it, but that would not be correct so I did'nt, I did however say that they were here many years before columbus.
As far as who they hurt when they came here, well it was also documented that they married among the natives. I'm sure fights broke out, but far from the blood shed the european non muslims brought to this land.
I also never said that they were the sole inveters or such and such, I'm sorry but I did'nt think I needed to mention every single person in my post.
But if you want I'll give you some examples, the greeks had started/invented many things, that is fact. another fact is that it was the arabs that helped preserve these works and in many cases added to them. so don't put words into my mouth and if I said things that did not come out as clear as I would've liked then i'll be happy to continue to clear out these issues.
Most historians? How about zero historians. Get your facts straight. He was, however, the first European to bring the European culture succesfully to the new continent.
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You really don't have a clue, do you?
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What about those of us who feel the same way about law influenced by other religions? The two biggest religions in America are Christianity and Islam. They need to coexist peacefully for America to work as designed.
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So then said people who believe should be able to tell about what happens before you are born. Must be in the same place as when you die? And that place was pretty black and unknown. Same with you and everybody else.
Anyhow.........................Minnesota must have a lot of Muslims who like to vote in their new country or Bush is just that bad. Ever think of it that way Miller?
I also see a nice man who just got back from his time in Afgan had such a super time their that he decided to go out in a gun fight with cops then to go back for another tour. Maybe the perks just aren't what you seem to think they are Miller.
Huh? Did I not make it clear in my post that I don't want any religion being the basis for policy and law?
Does this quote below ring a bell? Afterall, you did quote me in your post.
Posted by NMyTree: " Keep Islam, Christianity and any other religion out of it."
I don't think it is reasonable to expect religion not be included in public policy. There are very many religious people that rely on scripture for comfort and inspiration and guidance. That is who they are - the only way to keep it out of policy or law would be to disqualify candidates who are religious. That would surely be interesting wouldn't it..:)
I was just reinforcing your sentiment. However, there's really no way to keep religion out of legislative decisions, because most legislative decisions require an ethical standard that people carry with them based on the totallity of their beliefs. In that regard, there are plenty of laws on the books that reflect a Christian morality.
I'd just like to say that before people get all spun up about those same laws being written from an alternate (not opposing) morality, that they know the architecture of Islam...its moral foundation.
The only way to know that is to read the koran. Otherwise, you leave yourself exposed to the interpretation of opposing forces. I'm not referring to religious implications, strictly moral implications...since that is what the judiciary is founded on...moral implications of right or wrong.
We're on the same page. Leaving religion out of it is impossible to the extent that religious people want religious people to lead them.
old music: http://www.myspace.com/slowloader
and don't forget about the basket of diseases they brought along with them.
He is not taking the public oath with all the house members on the Koran. He is taking an oath on the Koran in a private ceremony with family. Anyone who has a problem with any of this should better study the first amendment.
He also said that first and formost his obligation is to the US constitution and that this is what he is swearing to uphold, not any singular religious text.