Muslim congressman "pushing" his faith

CorporateWhore

MrBrian wrote:

Miller, for someone who goes on about how great America is and to claim to be such a good american, you seem to know very little about the history of the country you love so much. That''s something i've just noticed from reading so many of your posts, now what i'm about to say does not have that much to do with the topic of the thread but is also aimed at the people who think that Islam is foreign to this land.

I think you need to know that Muslims came to this land many years before any europeans, they came and left without hurting any natives. Muslims also came with columbus, infact it was Muslims and their tools that helped columbus sail to america. It was also many African Muslims that were were stolen from africa and brought to america as slaves to work on the fields, many of them who were a 1000x more educated than even their white slave masters. Reading and writting books and poems, literature.

So if you want to talk about what really is american, Islam should be high on that list.

Learn about Ibrahima Abd ar-Rahman jallo, the African Muslim Prince who became a slave in america sold for some tobacco. or maybe Omar ibn Said or perhaps Alexander Russell Webb. Study/learn about the The Sung Document.

So my friend, you as an American should have more respect for islam than you should have for your ownself.

It's silly of you to say with such confidence that Muslims were the first to discover America. You're treading on extremely minimal evidence to support that claim. Others have claimed the Chinese discovered America first. Most historians agree that Columbus was the first to discover America, though. I'm sorry your 4th grade teacher did not inform you of this.

Additionally, even if these groups had visited America, they did not know they had visited a new land. They left precious little evidence to even imply that they had discovered a new fucking continent. Their navigation techniques were backward at best in comparison to the Europeans.

The Europeans came to America, knew they discovered something new, and dominated it. They had powerful ships, better weaponry, better scientific discoveries, a better religion (:)), and a better system of government. Whether you like this or not, it's the reason we're sitting here in America and running the entire world.

If you'd like to see the best that Islam can do, go to Turkey. It's 99% Islamic (no religious freedom), Kurds have no rights, and has a penal code that reads: "A person who publicly insults being a Turk, the Republic or the Turkish Grand National Assembly, shall be punishable with imprisonment for a term of six months to three years." And this is the most democratic Islamic country in the world.

I'll take Christianity, thanks!

enharmonic

If it's good enough for the Christians, it's good enough for the non-Christians.

So much for religious freedom and tolearnce in America, eh?

CorporateWhore

enharmonic wrote:

If it's good enough for the Christians, it's good enough for the non-Christians.

So much for religious freedom and tolearnce in America, eh?

???

It's fine for him to place his hand on the Koran. It's not fine for there to be a double-standard, whether Bush can speak on Christianity and whether this Muslim can speak on Islam.

Both should be equally allowable.

That said, Islam never did anything for America.

miller8966

OMG Muslims discovered America!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

gue_barium

CorporateWhore wrote:

It's silly of you to say with such confidence that Muslims were the first to discover America. You're treading on extremely minimal evidence to support that claim. Others have claimed the Chinese discovered America first. Most historians agree that Columbus was the first to discover America, though. I'm sorry your 4th grade teacher did not inform you of this.

Additionally, even if these groups had visited America, they did not know they had visited a new land. They left precious little evidence to even imply that they had discovered a new fucking continent. Their navigation techniques were backward at best in comparison to the Europeans.

The Europeans came to America, knew they discovered something new, and dominated it. They had powerful ships, better weaponry, better scientific discoveries, a better religion (:)), and a better system of government. Whether you like this or not, it's the reason we're sitting here in America and running the entire world.

If you'd like to see the best that Islam can do, go to Turkey. It's 99% Islamic (no religious freedom), Kurds have no rights, and has a penal code that reads: "A person who publicly insults being a Turk, the Republic or the Turkish Grand National Assembly, shall be punishable with imprisonment for a term of six months to three years." And this is the most democratic Islamic country in the world.

I'll take Christianity, thanks!

I dare ya to try atheism, I double-dog dare ya.

gue_barium

gue_barium wrote:

I dare ya to try atheism, I double-dog dare ya.

Oh skip it.

The evolution of this post goes like this:

A certain fourth grade teacher and Columbus "discovering" America.
The Christmas season.
The looped programming of A Christmas Story.

I watched it twice.

CorporateWhore

gue_barium wrote:

I dare ya to try atheism, I double-dog dare ya.

I associate atheism with the USSR, the PRC, and North Korea.

Once again, I'll take Christianity, thanks!

gue_barium

CorporateWhore wrote:

I associate atheism with the USSR, the PRC, and North Korea.

Once again, I'll take Christianity, thanks!

It was a joke I knew would go over your precious cargo.

Pearl Jam and toast

CorporateWhore wrote:

The country is largely christian, built on christian ideals, and founded by christians. It is entirely appropriate for the president to speak on christianity in public. It should be done more often.

Islam is foreign to this country's ideals and institutions.

Oh yeah, because our ancestors were christians we should ONLY support christian beliefs and push them through our government under the guise of the so-called "seperation of church and state".

It's all bullshit.

Oh and here's the difference between the senator and let's say almost all of congress...

That man was pushing fellow followers of his religion for a social cause,.. which was to be good people and asking them to not be afraid of criticism from,... I dunno.. the racist evangelical right.

Those evangelicals think they're right, 100%, fuck everyone else. They push their beliefs through our government without a second thought. Look at the gay marriage banning. Without religion telling those nutjobs that it's wrong those cases would've been immediatly thrown out.

keeponrockin

Pearl Jam and toast wrote:

Oh yeah, because our ancestors were christians we should ONLY support christian beliefs and push them through our government under the guise of the so-called "seperation of church and state".

It's all bullshit.

Oh and here's the difference between the senator and let's say almost all of congress...

That man was pushing fellow followers of his religion for a social cause,.. which was to be good people and asking them to not be afraid of criticism from,... I dunno.. the racist evangelical right.

Those evangelicals think they're right, 100%, fuck everyone else. They push their beliefs through our government without a second thought. Look at the gay marriage banning. Without religion telling those nutjobs that it's wrong those cases would've been immediatly thrown out.

+1

NMyTree

MrBrian wrote:

So my friend, you as an American should have more respect for islam than you should have for your ownself.

What a joke of a comment. You have to be going for laughs. You can't be serious.

NMyTree

enharmonic wrote:

If it's good enough for the Christians, it's good enough for the non-Christians.

So much for religious freedom and tolearnce in America, eh?

As long as he's not trying to promote Islam and create policies and laws based on Islamic rule, I don't have a problem with him. I have had a serious problem with Bush and this Administrations constant Christian/God crap. Same with this guy.

Keep Islam, Christianity and any other religion out of it.

bryanfury

no problem which book he swears on. i would liek to think if he swore on his book, it would mean more.

as long as he doesn't try to formulate laws based on his beliefs, like Christians do, then he can preach on.

NMyTree

miller8966 wrote:

OMG Muslims discovered America!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

...and it's hilarious that he spouts off about knowing history and then pukes this crap all over the post: " It was also many African Muslims that were were stolen from africa and brought to america as slaves to work on the fields "

No mention of the true historical fact that many, many, many Africans, regardless whether Muslim or not; were in fact enslaved by other b;ack africans and sold by their own tribal leaders and black slavemasters........to Euro Whites.

No need to mention such things. It ruins the dramatic effect.

bryanfury

NMyTree wrote:

...and it's hilarious that he spouts off about knowing history and then pukes this crap all over the post: " It was also many African Muslims that were were stolen from africa and brought to america as slaves to work on the fields "

No mention of the true historical fact that many, many, many Africans, regardless whether Muslim or not; were in fact enslaved by other b;ack africans and sold by their own tribal leaders and black slavemasters........to Euro Whites.

No need to mention such things. It ruins the dramatic effect.

truth? that's just not the american way! (see Columbus Day)

MrBrian

NMyTree wrote:

...and it's hilarious that he spouts off about knowing history and then pukes this crap all over the post: " It was also many African Muslims that were were stolen from africa and brought to america as slaves to work on the fields "

No mention of the true historical fact that many, many, many Africans, regardless whether Muslim or not; were in fact enslaved by other b;ack africans and sold by their own tribal leaders and black slavemasters........to Euro Whites.

No need to mention such things. It ruins the dramatic effect.

I was not trying to hide that fact, if I was then I would not of mentioned the african muslim prince who was taken (as you said) by african tribes then sold. I did'nt think that I had to mention exactly how he ended up being a slave in america. The fact is they ended up slaves. also regardless, a huge number was stolen (as I mentioned), so what I said was not un true at all.

nevertheless enough evidence exists that Muslims were in america many years before columbus, we also know that muslims with their tools were pioneers in navigation, it's just fact.

You don't have to like it my friend,
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and btw, the sung document is a chinese document which should be looked at and not ignored.

CorporateWhore

Pearl Jam and toast wrote:

Without religion telling those nutjobs that it's wrong those cases would've been immediatly thrown out.

WHAT?!

WHAT ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT?

Are you referring to the state constitutional amendments that made it unconstitutional to allow homosexual marriage within state boundaries? Is that it?

Those were referendums. Telling religious people to not vote based on their religious morality is like telling an atheist to not vote unless he pulls his head out of his ass: it cannot happen.

duggro

miller strikes again!!


i dont understand how he can compare what this guy said, to george bush using religion as a political tool. theres a huge difference

miller8966

duggro wrote:

miller strikes again!!


i dont understand how he can compare what this guy said, to george bush using religion as a political tool. theres a huge difference

o come on man..you dont think this guy wants the muslim vote...

jlew24asu

gue_barium wrote:

I dare ya to try atheism, I double-dog dare ya.

and when you die nothing happens