I'm not the one that needs to take a breath. I told you in an earlier post that I agreed the Earth is warmer now than it was 30 years ago. I.E. - "global warming"
I also told you the Earth was cooling in a 30 year period before that. I hardly believe the CO2 output by humans was decreasing during those 30 years.
There is no evidence that we're causing the current warming trend. The only evidence scientists give is that the CO2 humans have been emitting the previous 30 years has contributed to it. Maybe it is? Was the CO2 emitted the 30 years prior contributing to the cooling period? It had to have been using the current logic. Then again, that's why no one conveniently wants to talk about global cooling anymore. The simple fact of the matter is is that no one knows why the Earth was cooling then. And they sure as hell don't know why it's warming now.
The base of this argument resides in the fact that the current warming trend is leading to the end of the Earth. If you think that's bullshit, then check Al's countdown. Assuming that from nothing more than scientific theory is utter bullshit in itself. Any real scientist knows that. The fact that the earth is warming currently is nothing more than the cycle that has always existed. The next 30 years may as well be another cooling stage. No one knows.
I leave you with a quote by Stephen Schneider: "Scientists should shade the truth in order to make the world a better place."
Of course, who really believes he uses this logic in his work with RealClimate?
Hey ...I'm totally with you on this argument...You've pretty much taken the words out of my mouth. I've posted about this topic many times in this forum and have said yes..we need to be clener and more environmently friendly..that's just commom sense but this whole "world crazed scare" on Global Warming is a little much...
Anyhow..props
Hey ...I'm totally with you on this argument...You've pretty much taken the words out of my mouth. I've posted about this topic many times in this forum and have said yes..we need to be clener and more environmently friendly..that's just commom sense but this whole "world crazed scare" on Global Warming is a little much...
Anyhow..props
Then why halt clean air objectives such as for example Kyoto....it will help clean the environment...or does it upset you because it roots are directly related to what you describe as global warming fear mongering...here is one for Harper to swallow:
- Tax free Energy Star appliances.
- Tax free hyrbid vehicles.
- Grants/Scholorships for various "clean" research.
- Tax refunds for using solar/wind/thermal energy.
I am sure we could add to the list...just various examples of things that can be done practically.....but don't....
Then why halt clean air objectives such as for example Kyoto....it will help clean the environment...or does it upset you because it roots are directly related to what you describe as global warming fear mongering...here is one for Harper to swallow:
- Tax free Energy Star appliances.
- Tax free hyrbid vehicles.
- Grants/Scholorships for various "clean" research.
- Tax refunds for using solar/wind/thermal energy.
I am sure we could add to the list...just various examples of things that can be done practically.....
Hey! Objectivity! I'm all for doing things that make this place cleaner. Small things such as people tossing garbage from their cars pisses me off. Reguardless of whether the world is going to end 8 years from now I'll do what I can to keep the place clean. But this hysteria has got to stop.
The problem with Kyoto lies more in the economics than the basic premise.
"Sarcasm: intellect on the offensive"
"What I lack in decorum, I make up for with an absence of tact."
Hey ...I'm totally with you on this argument...You've pretty much taken the words out of my mouth. I've posted about this topic many times in this forum and have said yes..we need to be clener and more environmently friendly..that's just commom sense but this whole "world crazed scare" on Global Warming is a little much...
Anyhow..props
Thanks bro. You're what we call "normies." A little Family Guy humor there used in a different context.
"Sarcasm: intellect on the offensive"
"What I lack in decorum, I make up for with an absence of tact."
Hey! Objectivity! I'm all for doing things that make this place cleaner. Small things such as people tossing garbage from their cars pisses me off. Reguardless of whether the world is going to end 8 years from now I'll do what I can to keep the place clean. But this hysteria has got to stop.
The problem with Kyoto lies more in the economics than the basic premise.
Fuck man you nailed my biggest pet peeve people tossing garbage on the road...damn that pisses me off....so bad that I have bad (well good I guess) habit if on my way to a store I see garbage on the ground I pick it up and throw it in the garbage...I hate seeing garbage strewn across various streets/parking lots...
After reading a lot of differing opinions on the global warming debate I have come to the conclusion the biggest problem is this....both sides of the fence think they see it differently...but in reality they don't as you have stated and so has bubba....everyone wants a clean environment...as a collective whole we should rally around that goal...then having one side do the "end of the world" thing and the other side go against the theory...I believe everyone has their heart in the right place...lets make the world a cleaner place...we are just wasting our fucking time doing nothing about it because we worry about theories...lets just all together make a goal to make the world a cleaner place....not because it is going to end...but because as stewards and as the most intelligent species on the planet it is our inherrent right to do so because like it or not Earth is our home and will be for a very long time.....
Then why halt clean air objectives such as for example Kyoto....it will help clean the environment...or does it upset you because it roots are directly related to what you describe as global warming fear mongering...here is one for Harper to swallow:
- Tax free Energy Star appliances.
- Tax free hyrbid vehicles.
- Grants/Scholorships for various "clean" research.
- Tax refunds for using solar/wind/thermal energy.
I am sure we could add to the list...just various examples of things that can be done practically.....but don't....
I'm not totally against everything about Kyoto but the major hit and downfall is the "ECONOMICS" of it all and the targets must be at least more realistic and achievable
this guys head is so far up his ass he needs a window in his chest so he can look out and see the real world.
even if global warming is a myth; isn't it the right thing to control emmissions? when i go to a big city; is the brown cloud hovering over it a myth? is it an illusion everyone can see?
what a joke
I'm not totally against everything about Kyoto but the major hit and downfall is the "ECONOMICS" of it all and the targets must be at least more realistic and achievable
As I said before they are achievable....maybe if we had actually started trying to reach the goals say about 5 years ago we may be on the right path.....like i said I design shit like this it is not impossible....do you realize that technology (that is not expensive) can remove 99.8 % Sulphur from natural gas/oil...yet most regulations make the target around 95-96%....my plant is almost at 100% sulphur recovery...which means no SO2 in the air among other things.....
Fuck man you nailed my biggest pet peeve people tossing garbage on the road...damn that pisses me off....so bad that I have bad (well good I guess) habit if on my way to a store I see garbage on the ground I pick it up and throw it in the garbage...I hate seeing garbage strewn across various streets/parking lots...
After reading a lot of differing opinions on the global warming debate I have come to the conclusion the biggest problem is this....both sides of the fence think they see it differently...but in reality they don't as you have stated and so has bubba....everyone wants a clean environment...as a collective whole we should rally around that goal...then having one side do the "end of the world" thing and the other side go against the theory...I believe everyone has their heart in the right place...lets make the world a cleaner place...we are just wasting our fucking time doing nothing about it because we worry about theories...lets just all together make a goal to make the world a cleaner place....not because it is going to end...but because as stewards and as the most intelligent species on the planet it is our inherrent right to do so because like it or not Earth is our home and will be for a very long time.....
Exactly. If you want to point me in the direction of a "greener Earth" then this is the way to go. Not shoving armageddon down my throat.
We are the worrrrrrld... We are the childrennn....
Oh, sorry...
"Sarcasm: intellect on the offensive"
"What I lack in decorum, I make up for with an absence of tact."
this guys head is so far up his ass he needs a window in his chest so he can look out and see the real world.
even if global warming is a myth; isn't it the right thing to control emmissions? when i go to a big city; is the brown cloud hovering over it a myth? is it an illusion everyone can see?
what a joke
I don't believe that myself or ThumbingMyWay32 have ever said we shouldn't reduce pollution and such...that's just common sense..everyone knows that..
Fuck man you nailed my biggest pet peeve people tossing garbage on the road...damn that pisses me off....so bad that I have bad (well good I guess) habit if on my way to a store I see garbage on the ground I pick it up and throw it in the garbage...I hate seeing garbage strewn across various streets/parking lots...
After reading a lot of differing opinions on the global warming debate I have come to the conclusion the biggest problem is this....both sides of the fence think they see it differently...but in reality they don't as you have stated and so has bubba....everyone wants a clean environment...as a collective whole we should rally around that goal...then having one side do the "end of the world" thing and the other side go against the theory...I believe everyone has their heart in the right place...lets make the world a cleaner place...we are just wasting our fucking time doing nothing about it because we worry about theories...lets just all together make a goal to make the world a cleaner place....not because it is going to end...but because as stewards and as the most intelligent species on the planet it is our inherrent right to do so because like it or not Earth is our home and will be for a very long time.....
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Hey ...I'm totally with you on this argument...You've pretty much taken the words out of my mouth. I've posted about this topic many times in this forum and have said yes..we need to be clener and more environmently friendly..that's just commom sense but this whole "world crazed scare" on Global Warming is a little much...
Anyhow..props
Then why halt clean air objectives such as for example Kyoto....it will help clean the environment...or does it upset you because it roots are directly related to what you describe as global warming fear mongering...here is one for Harper to swallow:
- Tax free Energy Star appliances.
- Tax free hyrbid vehicles.
- Grants/Scholorships for various "clean" research.
- Tax refunds for using solar/wind/thermal energy.
I am sure we could add to the list...just various examples of things that can be done practically.....but don't....
Hey! Objectivity! I'm all for doing things that make this place cleaner. Small things such as people tossing garbage from their cars pisses me off. Reguardless of whether the world is going to end 8 years from now I'll do what I can to keep the place clean. But this hysteria has got to stop.
The problem with Kyoto lies more in the economics than the basic premise.
"What I lack in decorum, I make up for with an absence of tact."
Camden 5-28-06
Washington, D.C. 6-22-08
Thanks bro. You're what we call "normies."
"What I lack in decorum, I make up for with an absence of tact."
Camden 5-28-06
Washington, D.C. 6-22-08
Fuck man you nailed my biggest pet peeve people tossing garbage on the road...damn that pisses me off....so bad that I have bad (well good I guess) habit if on my way to a store I see garbage on the ground I pick it up and throw it in the garbage...I hate seeing garbage strewn across various streets/parking lots...
After reading a lot of differing opinions on the global warming debate I have come to the conclusion the biggest problem is this....both sides of the fence think they see it differently...but in reality they don't as you have stated and so has bubba....everyone wants a clean environment...as a collective whole we should rally around that goal...then having one side do the "end of the world" thing and the other side go against the theory...I believe everyone has their heart in the right place...lets make the world a cleaner place...we are just wasting our fucking time doing nothing about it because we worry about theories...lets just all together make a goal to make the world a cleaner place....not because it is going to end...but because as stewards and as the most intelligent species on the planet it is our inherrent right to do so because like it or not Earth is our home and will be for a very long time.....
I'm not totally against everything about Kyoto but the major hit and downfall is the "ECONOMICS" of it all and the targets must be at least more realistic and achievable
even if global warming is a myth; isn't it the right thing to control emmissions? when i go to a big city; is the brown cloud hovering over it a myth? is it an illusion everyone can see?
what a joke
As I said before they are achievable....maybe if we had actually started trying to reach the goals say about 5 years ago we may be on the right path.....like i said I design shit like this it is not impossible....do you realize that technology (that is not expensive) can remove 99.8 % Sulphur from natural gas/oil...yet most regulations make the target around 95-96%....my plant is almost at 100% sulphur recovery...which means no SO2 in the air among other things.....
Exactly. If you want to point me in the direction of a "greener Earth" then this is the way to go. Not shoving armageddon down my throat.
We are the worrrrrrld... We are the childrennn....
Oh, sorry...
"What I lack in decorum, I make up for with an absence of tact."
Camden 5-28-06
Washington, D.C. 6-22-08
LOL...thanks...Not many people like us in this thread.. ie (Normies)
I just think both sides need to chill the fuck out.....
I don't believe that myself or ThumbingMyWay32 have ever said we shouldn't reduce pollution and such...that's just common sense..everyone knows that..
lol When people talk like you do about the climate, environment etc I'm always chill.
"What I lack in decorum, I make up for with an absence of tact."
Camden 5-28-06
Washington, D.C. 6-22-08
We haven't. That's just the reaction most people have here when you don't agree with them.
"What I lack in decorum, I make up for with an absence of tact."
Camden 5-28-06
Washington, D.C. 6-22-08
What do you mean talk like I do?
Explaining ways to improve the climate and/or environment without being hysterical about it and proposing doomsday scenerios.
"What I lack in decorum, I make up for with an absence of tact."
Camden 5-28-06
Washington, D.C. 6-22-08
Okay now I got you....thought maybe you were insulting me for some unknown reason...I was thinking to myself what did I do to piss you off...lol
Naw man, but if you'll excuse me, I've got a real big weekend ahead of me and I need to get started!
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"What I lack in decorum, I make up for with an absence of tact."
Camden 5-28-06
Washington, D.C. 6-22-08
Now those are good points...! Let's go for a beer