no smoking in public buildings???

Collin

Ridin The Wave wrote:

smoking in a public place however, kills other people's lungs as well so the choice you are making affects others. this is a fact that cannot be denied.

What if there are area's for smokers, what's wrong with that?

i realize the argument comes that if i'm allergic to smoke, i don't have to go to bars, but come on now, how stupid is that? because some other "victim of the tobacco company" chose to get addicted at whatever age they wanted to, i have to stay home???? that's just plain old silly.

Nobody chooses to get addicted.

jeffbr

Ridin The Wave wrote:

i realize the argument comes that if i'm allergic to smoke, i don't have to go to bars, but come on now, how stupid is that? because some other "victim of the tobacco company" chose to get addicted at whatever age they wanted to, i have to stay home???? that's just plain old silly.

No, you don't have to stay home. You would be perfectly free to patronize an establishment which the owner has chosen to be smoke-free. Before the smoking ban in Washington state, there were clubs and coffee shops around which were smoke free. There were also a few bands that would ask a club to designate itself non-smoking for the night of the show. People had choices. Now, no choice is available to business owners or patrons due to government coersion.

genie

jlew24asu wrote:

gone to far?? fuck no. smokers deserve NO rights.

i agree with ya, just the other day some old fuck was smoking on the bus :mad:

Sludge Factory

Collin wrote:

What if there are area's for smokers, what's wrong with that?



Nobody chooses to get addicted.

You may not choose to get addicted, but it was a choice to use the instrument of addiction in the first place (i.e. to start smoking).

Uncle Leo

jlew24asu wrote:

gone to far?? fuck no. smokers deserve NO rights.

I don't say that, but I do say: when in doubt, I side with the nonsmoker--for any public building anyway. I lived in Peoria, IL a few years ago and people were up in arms when they disallowed smoking at the Civic Center lobby (where the tickets are sold). People were dumping their minor league hockey and Bradley Hoops season tickets. Fuck them. It's my building to and I don't need to brethe their smoke so they can feed their own weakness. That said, I reluctantly have to agree that a private business should be able to determine smoking rules for themselves. I patronize the hell out of smoke-free places and I find it great to see places choosing to go smoke free. And every time they do, someone whines about it, but they'll get used to it.

Tobacco companies are evil just like drug dealers, but if you smoke, you do so because you made your choice. I don't give a shit if you are jonsin. It's your problem. It never ceases to amaze me that decade after decade, the same proportion of young people take up smoking.

Smoking is by nature a selfish habit. You could not be an avid smoker and keep it away from all people at all times. My mom thinks she does, but she does not . She has been around the smell her entire life and has no concept of how far that smoke will go. It was not until I had been moved out for like a year before I realized it.

I know we can't make this illegal, but when I am walking down the street and the wind blows someone's smoke at me it pisses me off. And the person smoking, even if it is outside, is being selfish.

Ridin The Wave

jeffbr wrote:

No, you don't have to stay home. You would be perfectly free to patronize an establishment which the owner has chosen to be smoke-free. Before the smoking ban in Washington state, there were clubs and coffee shops around which were smoke free. There were also a few bands that would ask a club to designate itself non-smoking for the night of the show. People had choices. Now, no choice is available to business owners or patrons due to government coersion.

perfectly free to go, granted. but then i also need non-smoking friends who want to go where i want to go all the time. i see nothing wrong with public places, like bars, being non-smoking and having a smoking section outside. i think that's the best way to keep everyone happy. some bars have made some wicked patios just for the smokers, with heaters and all for the winter.

just as an added note, and this is totally just me being a big suck, but i can't even count how many times i've been burned by the end of some drunk baffoon's cigarette while they're flailing their arms around in a bar. i definitely don't miss that shit.

present address

my wife got burnt next to her ear and she was like hey watch it and he told her to watch herself and before i could stand up she hit him and he got to go to the hospital for 6 stiches........so i guess wedding rings are good weapons.......size doesnt matter when you got bling thats her comment

callen

even flow? wrote:

This is what gets me. All the crusaders say smoke outside. Then I can't smoke in a baseball stadium. That is outside. I can't smoke at the bus stop. That is outside. I can't smoke in front of my work place. That is outside. I can't smoke on the patio at the bar. That is outside. I can't smoke outside. And that is outside.

I'm a non cigarette smoker (0: and can do without smelling like a cig after going to a bar (except Anhimus's he should be able to smoke anywhere) but I draw the line on outside....entry ways..porches etc. If your outside..the risk is very low and it goes to far. There are lots of foul smells out there...and smelling a little smoke is no biggie. Now as far as not having ashtrays provided to you....put them in your freakin pocket till you find a trash bin...simple no?

cincybearcat

callen wrote:

I'm a non cigarette smoker (0: and can do without smelling like a cig after going to a bar (except Anhimus's he should be able to smoke anywhere) but I draw the line on outside....entry ways..porches etc. If your outside..the risk is very low and it goes to far. There are lots of foul smells out there...and smelling a little smoke is no biggie. Now as far as not having ashtrays provided to you....put them in your freakin pocket till you find a trash bin...simple no?

Nope, can't have it...they would be conributing to our climate change. Smelly bastards.

Ahnimus

Uncle Leo wrote:

Smoking is by nature a selfish habit. You could not be an avid smoker and keep it away from all people at all times. My mom thinks she does, but she does not . She has been around the smell her entire life and has no concept of how far that smoke will go. It was not until I had been moved out for like a year before I realized it.

I know we can't make this illegal, but when I am walking down the street and the wind blows someone's smoke at me it pisses me off. And the person smoking, even if it is outside, is being selfish.

That's the major misconception about smoking, that it's a selfish luxury, like owning a $200,000 sports car. It's the furthest thing from it.

Look at the financial side-effects, the health effects, the smell, smoking indoors leaves stains on the walls, everything turns tar brown. It's a killer habit, it's not selfish, everyone that smokes is killing themselves, they stink, they are ruining all of their posessions, they are spending lots of money on it and now they are being shunned.

There is no reason, NO reason a person smokes for selfishness, there is nothing AT ALL to be gained from a tobacco addiction. It is NOT a selfish habit, it's a destructive addiction.

The Illinoisemakers

callen wrote:

I'm a non cigarette smoker (0: and can do without smelling like a cig after going to a bar (except Anhimus's he should be able to smoke anywhere) but I draw the line on outside....entry ways..porches etc. If your outside..the risk is very low and it goes to far. There are lots of foul smells out there...and smelling a little smoke is no biggie. Now as far as not having ashtrays provided to you....put them in your freakin pocket till you find a trash bin...simple no?

Smokers should carry their own ash trays, that's a good idea. Of course they won't because carrying around an ash tray would be gross. It is like cars and smokers. Most cars have some type of ash try in them, yet I always see smokers throwing their butts out the window. Why? Because it would be gross to have a bunch of cig butts and ash in their car.

Smokers should have to swallow the butt of their cig when finished. There's no way it can be any worse for you then the nasty smoke you just filled your lungs with.

JOEJOEJOE

Ahnimus wrote:

That's the major misconception about smoking, that it's a selfish luxury, like owning a $200,000 sports car. It's the furthest thing from it.

Look at the financial side-effects, the health effects, the smell, smoking indoors leaves stains on the walls, everything turns tar brown. It's a killer habit, it's not selfish, everyone that smokes is killing themselves, they stink, they are ruining all of their posessions, they are spending lots of money on it and now they are being shunned.

There is no reason, NO reason a person smokes for selfishness, there is nothing AT ALL to be gained from a tobacco addiction. It is NOT a selfish habit, it's a destructive addiction.

It may not be a selfish luxury, but it is a selfish habit in that in effects others around the smokers. If a smoker insists on smoking around those who are bothered by the smoke, that constitutes a selfish act.

Stop playing the roll of the victim just because you got addicted and can't quick...the non-smoker is the true victim!

If people have a difficult time shaking the smoke habit, then they simply need to try harder. It can be done, even if it causes difficulty to the smoker.

Ericastrada

My God there are some really rude people in this thread.

The Illinoisemakers

Ericastrada wrote:

My God there are some really rude people in this thread.

The smokers or the non-smokers?

Ericastrada

Actually, I have found that non-smokers are usually a little more rude when it comes to this subject.

Ahnimus

Ericastrada wrote:

Actually, I have found that non-smokers are usually a little more rude when it comes to this subject.

That's because they have never experience that level of addiction. It's unfortunate that they can't know what it's like. They may know what it's like to have a coffee addiction or a gambling addiction, but neither are anywhere similar to nicotine addiction.

I know that some people just can't quit, the amount of people that actually do manage to quit is 2% with or without things like the patch or nicorette.

JOEJOEJOE

Ericastrada wrote:

Actually, I have found that non-smokers are usually a little more rude when it comes to this subject.

Well, if we are rude, perhaps it is because we don't like to be subjected to smoke when we are out and about. Think how absurd it is to have to tolerate puffs of smoke in the air.

I get rude towards smokers because they seem as if they deserve "smokers rights".

JOEJOEJOE

Ahnimus wrote:

That's because they have never experience that level of addiction. It's unfortunate that they can't know what it's like. They may know what it's like to have a coffee addiction or a gambling addiction, but neither are anywhere similar to nicotine addiction.

I know that some people just can't quit, the amount of people that actually do manage to quit is 2% with or without things like the patch or nicorette.

So if a heroin addict attempts to rob you, is it ok, since they have a harsh addiction that needs feeding?

Ahnimus

JOEJOEJOE wrote:

So if a heroin addict attempts to rob you, is it ok, since they have a harsh addiction that needs feeding?

How many times have you been robbed by a smoker for smoke money?

miller8966

ill be satisfied once they ban smoking everywhere.