no smoking in public buildings???

Ahnimus

JOEJOEJOE wrote:

and just how much do you expect society to tolerate the "Its just not that fucking simple" excuse......should child molesters be able to use that excuse?

Dude, you need to understand, breaking-up with your GF is a piece of cake next to smoking. Shit, even getting over a family death is a walk in the park.

Cigarettes with all the added crap are the most highly addictive substance commercially available. It's ridiculous. You can tell kids it's bad for them, but their executive functions are developed enough to fully comprehend the consequences. Some may, but not all. They become the victims of the tobacco industry, that's what they are victims. The industry is a victim of greed as well. We just need to approach it differently.

moeaholic

pfft, that's been like that for a while now here. no smoking indoors anywhere, except for your own home. the only problem i have with that is not being allowed to smoke in a bar. i mean, it isn't driving me crazy if, when i go out, i have to go outside to smoke. it's just....come on, now. no smoking in a bar? seems a bit much to me.

Ahnimus

wolfbear wrote:

That's funny because at Heathrow they had smoking areas that weren't separated at all and some of the bars also allowed smoking. We figured England was pretty "middle of the road". I understand it in public buildings, etc., but when it's outside or in someones home, it just seems silly.

Heh, I forget to specify sometimes, London, ON, Canada

moeaholic

JOEJOEJOE wrote:

and just how much do you expect society to tolerate the "Its just not that fucking simple" excuse......should child molesters be able to use that excuse?

lol, you did not just compare molesting children with smoking in public, did you?

Ahnimus

moeaholic wrote:

lol, you did not just compare molesting children with smoking in public, did you?

I would say they are two completely different things. We don't really know why people molest children, some theories point to retarded sexual development, but no one really has the answer on that.

Smoking on the other hand, we know is a result of chemical dependencies in the brain.

JOEJOEJOE

Ahnimus wrote:

Dude, you need to understand, breaking-up with your GF is a piece of cake next to smoking. Shit, even getting over a family death is a walk in the park.

Cigarettes with all the added crap are the most highly addictive substance commercially available. It's ridiculous. You can tell kids it's bad for them, but their executive functions are developed enough to fully comprehend the consequences. Some may, but not all. They become the victims of the tobacco industry, that's what they are victims. The industry is a victim of greed as well. We just need to approach it differently.

I can imagine that it is difficult to quit, but should society suffer because you got hooked?

should a jury go easy on someone who accidentally caused a fire because they needed their nicotine fix, but then fell asleep with a lit cigarette?

if you become a degenerate gambler and turn to crime, should the poker website be held accountable?

present address

is a hijack about to happen here

JOEJOEJOE

moeaholic wrote:

lol, you did not just compare molesting children with smoking in public, did you?

nope...i was asking how far society must go to accomodate "sick" people....i used child molesters as an extreme example.

wolfbear

JOEJOEJOE wrote:

I can imagine that it is difficult to quit, but should society suffer because you got hooked?

should a jury go easy on someone who accidentally caused a fire because they needed their nicotine fix, but then fell asleep with a lit cigarette?

if you become a degenerate gambler and turn to crime, should the poker website be held accountable?

No. The examples you gave though were for irresponsible people. Society shouldn't suffer, but as of today at least, smoking is legal. There should be some places that they can smoke. I agree with most of it, but think it has almost gone too far, at least in some places.

The Illinoisemakers

present address wrote:

like i said kill your liver not your lung............figure that one out..... your liver you need more than your lungs.....john wayne lived a long time with a lung mickie mantle lived short with one liver

Come on you can't compare this. You need both just the same, and if you had to transplant one, it would probably be easier to transplant a liver.

Smoking is a disgusting habit. I don't really think the gov't should be telling private business owners whether people can smoke in their businesses, but I will say its nice to go to a bar and not smell like shit afterwards.

Ericastrada

I am amazed by some people on this board. People talk about how the government shouldn't get involved in things and we should have our freedoms, but aas sson as they step in and take something away from other people that you think is a good idea, you don't care. To me, its not about not being able to smoke. Its about the government restricting something because its "not good for you." But if we allow them to restrict smoking, whats next. What we can eat? Wait, they already did that in New York. Where does it end? Once they learn that they can start restricting pretty much anything, whats next?

even flow?

Ahnimus wrote:

Just wait in a few months everyone will be complaining about cigarette butts being all over the ground. That's where we are at in London, ON. It's just stupid, I mean what the fuck do they expect to happen?

All we need now is the Players, Du Maurier and Tim Hortons garbage trucks and the cities will look 70% more beautiful. Don't cha think?

even flow?

trappedinmyradio wrote:

no one is being told that they can't smoke. they are be told that they can't smoke where it affects other people. the act of someone drinking in a bar doesn't affect another person...but, the act of smoking DOES affect other people...there are smoke rooms all over the world...they're called OUTSIDE. if people really need to smoke that badly then smoke away...but stay away from me with it.

This is what gets me. All the crusaders say smoke outside. Then I can't smoke in a baseball stadium. That is outside. I can't smoke at the bus stop. That is outside. I can't smoke in front of my work place. That is outside. I can't smoke on the patio at the bar. That is outside. I can't smoke outside. And that is outside.

even flow?

For the Cdns: Do you think that if you work for Players or Du Maurier that you can smoke in the work place?

For the Yanks: Do you think that if you work for Marlboro that you can smoke in the work place?


Has anybody seen the commerical with the guy on the horse riding through what seems to be NYC and then sings the song about how bad smoking is for you, while holding the thing to the hole in his throat?

Pearl Jam and toast

It's gotta be left up to the establishment itself. If some diner wants no smoking, no big deal. Walk outside to smoke or go somewhere else. Same applies for if a diner wants the entire room full of smokers. It's that place's call to make. If you don't like it eat somewhere else.

Goddamnit our country is full of idiots. We don't need fucking legislation for superfluous shit like this.

Ericastrada

Pearl Jam and toast wrote:

It's gotta be left up to the establishment itself. If some diner wants no smoking, no big deal. Walk outside to smoke or go somewhere else. Same applies for if a diner wants the entire room full of smokers. It's that place's call to make. If you don't like it eat somewhere else.

Goddamnit our country is full of idiots. We don't need fucking legislation for superfluous shit like this.

Amen to that!

Jeanwah

Ahnimus wrote:

Just wait in a few months everyone will be complaining about cigarette butts being all over the ground. That's where we are at in London, ON. It's just stupid, I mean what the fuck do they expect to happen?

Everyone knows that throwing your butt on the ground is littering. I'd say to all the litterbugs complaining that they don't have an ashtray to deposit their butts, to get a conscience and put out their butts on the pavement and then pick it up and throw it in the trash. Our planet is not an ashtray!

Otherwise, I think that not smoking in public buildings is a good idea, but anywhere outside should be allowed. However, say if you're at a stadium and want to light up, have some consideration for the people sitting next to you and go stand where there's not a crowd of people around.

spiral out

jlew24asu wrote:

gone to far?? fuck no. smokers deserve NO rights.

For once i agree with you.

Collin

jlew24asu wrote:

gone to far?? fuck no. smokers deserve NO rights.

Ridin The Wave

present address wrote:

......wow you can kill your liver but not your lungs......

you can't compare this at all.....

if you want to kill your own liver, feel free to do so....that choice only has personal consequences....

smoking in a public place however, kills other people's lungs as well so the choice you are making affects others. this is a fact that cannot be denied.

as a non-smoker who is allergic to smoke, i appreciate that when i come home from a bar i don't a) smell like a bag of shit and b) don't have to wheez for the rest of the night to get some air.

i realize the argument comes that if i'm allergic to smoke, i don't have to go to bars, but come on now, how stupid is that? because some other "victim of the tobacco company" chose to get addicted at whatever age they wanted to, i have to stay home???? that's just plain old silly.

don't get me wrong here, i do think the government has gone too far. i coudl care less if people want to smoke outside, anywhere outside, in their homes, in their cars, anywhere. but i don't think asking someone to go outside while at a bar or at a restaurant is too much to ask.

**as far as my "victim of the tobacco company" comment goes, i think you're being a bit dramatic. it was a choice you made at one point, whether you were old enough to realize what you were doing or not. But in the same breath, i can say that i do think the tobacco companies are a bunch of scum-sucking mother f@ckers. if my feelings of hatred weren't strong enough already, watching the movie "the insider" with russell crowe solidified every evil thought i've ever had about them.