I am amazed by some people on this board. People talk about how the government shouldn't get involved in things and we should have our freedoms, but aas sson as they step in and take something away from other people that you think is a good idea, you don't care. To me, its not about not being able to smoke. Its about the government restricting something because its "not good for you." But if we allow them to restrict smoking, whats next. What we can eat? Wait, they already did that in New York. Where does it end? Once they learn that they can start restricting pretty much anything, whats next?
Just wait in a few months everyone will be complaining about cigarette butts being all over the ground. That's where we are at in London, ON. It's just stupid, I mean what the fuck do they expect to happen?
All we need now is the Players, Du Maurier and Tim Hortons garbage trucks and the cities will look 70% more beautiful. Don't cha think?
no one is being told that they can't smoke. they are be told that they can't smoke where it affects other people. the act of someone drinking in a bar doesn't affect another person...but, the act of smoking DOES affect other people...there are smoke rooms all over the world...they're called OUTSIDE. if people really need to smoke that badly then smoke away...but stay away from me with it.
This is what gets me. All the crusaders say smoke outside. Then I can't smoke in a baseball stadium. That is outside. I can't smoke at the bus stop. That is outside. I can't smoke in front of my work place. That is outside. I can't smoke on the patio at the bar. That is outside. I can't smoke outside. And that is outside.
For the Cdns: Do you think that if you work for Players or Du Maurier that you can smoke in the work place?
For the Yanks: Do you think that if you work for Marlboro that you can smoke in the work place?
Has anybody seen the commerical with the guy on the horse riding through what seems to be NYC and then sings the song about how bad smoking is for you, while holding the thing to the hole in his throat?
It's gotta be left up to the establishment itself. If some diner wants no smoking, no big deal. Walk outside to smoke or go somewhere else. Same applies for if a diner wants the entire room full of smokers. It's that place's call to make. If you don't like it eat somewhere else.
Goddamnit our country is full of idiots. We don't need fucking legislation for superfluous shit like this.
It's gotta be left up to the establishment itself. If some diner wants no smoking, no big deal. Walk outside to smoke or go somewhere else. Same applies for if a diner wants the entire room full of smokers. It's that place's call to make. If you don't like it eat somewhere else.
Goddamnit our country is full of idiots. We don't need fucking legislation for superfluous shit like this.
Just wait in a few months everyone will be complaining about cigarette butts being all over the ground. That's where we are at in London, ON. It's just stupid, I mean what the fuck do they expect to happen?
Everyone knows that throwing your butt on the ground is littering. I'd say to all the litterbugs complaining that they don't have an ashtray to deposit their butts, to get a conscience and put out their butts on the pavement and then pick it up and throw it in the trash. Our planet is not an ashtray!
Otherwise, I think that not smoking in public buildings is a good idea, but anywhere outside should be allowed. However, say if you're at a stadium and want to light up, have some consideration for the people sitting next to you and go stand where there's not a crowd of people around.
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......wow you can kill your liver but not your lungs......
you can't compare this at all.....
if you want to kill your own liver, feel free to do so....that choice only has personal consequences....
smoking in a public place however, kills other people's lungs as well so the choice you are making affects others. this is a fact that cannot be denied.
as a non-smoker who is allergic to smoke, i appreciate that when i come home from a bar i don't a) smell like a bag of shit and b) don't have to wheez for the rest of the night to get some air.
i realize the argument comes that if i'm allergic to smoke, i don't have to go to bars, but come on now, how stupid is that? because some other "victim of the tobacco company" chose to get addicted at whatever age they wanted to, i have to stay home???? that's just plain old silly.
don't get me wrong here, i do think the government has gone too far. i coudl care less if people want to smoke outside, anywhere outside, in their homes, in their cars, anywhere. but i don't think asking someone to go outside while at a bar or at a restaurant is too much to ask.
**as far as my "victim of the tobacco company" comment goes, i think you're being a bit dramatic. it was a choice you made at one point, whether you were old enough to realize what you were doing or not. But in the same breath, i can say that i do think the tobacco companies are a bunch of scum-sucking mother f@ckers. if my feelings of hatred weren't strong enough already, watching the movie "the insider" with russell crowe solidified every evil thought i've ever had about them.
smoking in a public place however, kills other people's lungs as well so the choice you are making affects others. this is a fact that cannot be denied.
What if there are area's for smokers, what's wrong with that?
i realize the argument comes that if i'm allergic to smoke, i don't have to go to bars, but come on now, how stupid is that? because some other "victim of the tobacco company" chose to get addicted at whatever age they wanted to, i have to stay home???? that's just plain old silly.
i realize the argument comes that if i'm allergic to smoke, i don't have to go to bars, but come on now, how stupid is that? because some other "victim of the tobacco company" chose to get addicted at whatever age they wanted to, i have to stay home???? that's just plain old silly.
No, you don't have to stay home. You would be perfectly free to patronize an establishment which the owner has chosen to be smoke-free. Before the smoking ban in Washington state, there were clubs and coffee shops around which were smoke free. There were also a few bands that would ask a club to designate itself non-smoking for the night of the show. People had choices. Now, no choice is available to business owners or patrons due to government coersion.
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I don't say that, but I do say: when in doubt, I side with the nonsmoker--for any public building anyway. I lived in Peoria, IL a few years ago and people were up in arms when they disallowed smoking at the Civic Center lobby (where the tickets are sold). People were dumping their minor league hockey and Bradley Hoops season tickets. Fuck them. It's my building to and I don't need to brethe their smoke so they can feed their own weakness. That said, I reluctantly have to agree that a private business should be able to determine smoking rules for themselves. I patronize the hell out of smoke-free places and I find it great to see places choosing to go smoke free. And every time they do, someone whines about it, but they'll get used to it.
Tobacco companies are evil just like drug dealers, but if you smoke, you do so because you made your choice. I don't give a shit if you are jonsin. It's your problem. It never ceases to amaze me that decade after decade, the same proportion of young people take up smoking.
Smoking is by nature a selfish habit. You could not be an avid smoker and keep it away from all people at all times. My mom thinks she does, but she does not . She has been around the smell her entire life and has no concept of how far that smoke will go. It was not until I had been moved out for like a year before I realized it.
I know we can't make this illegal, but when I am walking down the street and the wind blows someone's smoke at me it pisses me off. And the person smoking, even if it is outside, is being selfish.
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No, you don't have to stay home. You would be perfectly free to patronize an establishment which the owner has chosen to be smoke-free. Before the smoking ban in Washington state, there were clubs and coffee shops around which were smoke free. There were also a few bands that would ask a club to designate itself non-smoking for the night of the show. People had choices. Now, no choice is available to business owners or patrons due to government coersion.
perfectly free to go, granted. but then i also need non-smoking friends who want to go where i want to go all the time. i see nothing wrong with public places, like bars, being non-smoking and having a smoking section outside. i think that's the best way to keep everyone happy. some bars have made some wicked patios just for the smokers, with heaters and all for the winter.
just as an added note, and this is totally just me being a big suck, but i can't even count how many times i've been burned by the end of some drunk baffoon's cigarette while they're flailing their arms around in a bar. i definitely don't miss that shit.
my wife got burnt next to her ear and she was like hey watch it and he told her to watch herself and before i could stand up she hit him and he got to go to the hospital for 6 stiches........so i guess wedding rings are good weapons.......size doesnt matter when you got bling thats her comment
This is what gets me. All the crusaders say smoke outside. Then I can't smoke in a baseball stadium. That is outside. I can't smoke at the bus stop. That is outside. I can't smoke in front of my work place. That is outside. I can't smoke on the patio at the bar. That is outside. I can't smoke outside. And that is outside.
I'm a non cigarette smoker (0: and can do without smelling like a cig after going to a bar (except Anhimus's he should be able to smoke anywhere) but I draw the line on outside....entry ways..porches etc. If your outside..the risk is very low and it goes to far. There are lots of foul smells out there...and smelling a little smoke is no biggie. Now as far as not having ashtrays provided to you....put them in your freakin pocket till you find a trash bin...simple no?
I'm a non cigarette smoker (0: and can do without smelling like a cig after going to a bar (except Anhimus's he should be able to smoke anywhere) but I draw the line on outside....entry ways..porches etc. If your outside..the risk is very low and it goes to far. There are lots of foul smells out there...and smelling a little smoke is no biggie. Now as far as not having ashtrays provided to you....put them in your freakin pocket till you find a trash bin...simple no?
Nope, can't have it...they would be conributing to our climate change. Smelly bastards.
Smoking is by nature a selfish habit. You could not be an avid smoker and keep it away from all people at all times. My mom thinks she does, but she does not . She has been around the smell her entire life and has no concept of how far that smoke will go. It was not until I had been moved out for like a year before I realized it.
I know we can't make this illegal, but when I am walking down the street and the wind blows someone's smoke at me it pisses me off. And the person smoking, even if it is outside, is being selfish.
That's the major misconception about smoking, that it's a selfish luxury, like owning a $200,000 sports car. It's the furthest thing from it.
Look at the financial side-effects, the health effects, the smell, smoking indoors leaves stains on the walls, everything turns tar brown. It's a killer habit, it's not selfish, everyone that smokes is killing themselves, they stink, they are ruining all of their posessions, they are spending lots of money on it and now they are being shunned.
There is no reason, NO reason a person smokes for selfishness, there is nothing AT ALL to be gained from a tobacco addiction. It is NOT a selfish habit, it's a destructive addiction.
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I'm a non cigarette smoker (0: and can do without smelling like a cig after going to a bar (except Anhimus's he should be able to smoke anywhere) but I draw the line on outside....entry ways..porches etc. If your outside..the risk is very low and it goes to far. There are lots of foul smells out there...and smelling a little smoke is no biggie. Now as far as not having ashtrays provided to you....put them in your freakin pocket till you find a trash bin...simple no?
Smokers should carry their own ash trays, that's a good idea. Of course they won't because carrying around an ash tray would be gross. It is like cars and smokers. Most cars have some type of ash try in them, yet I always see smokers throwing their butts out the window. Why? Because it would be gross to have a bunch of cig butts and ash in their car.
Smokers should have to swallow the butt of their cig when finished. There's no way it can be any worse for you then the nasty smoke you just filled your lungs with.
That's the major misconception about smoking, that it's a selfish luxury, like owning a $200,000 sports car. It's the furthest thing from it.
Look at the financial side-effects, the health effects, the smell, smoking indoors leaves stains on the walls, everything turns tar brown. It's a killer habit, it's not selfish, everyone that smokes is killing themselves, they stink, they are ruining all of their posessions, they are spending lots of money on it and now they are being shunned.
There is no reason, NO reason a person smokes for selfishness, there is nothing AT ALL to be gained from a tobacco addiction. It is NOT a selfish habit, it's a destructive addiction.
It may not be a selfish luxury, but it is a selfish habit in that in effects others around the smokers. If a smoker insists on smoking around those who are bothered by the smoke, that constitutes a selfish act.
Stop playing the roll of the victim just because you got addicted and can't quick...the non-smoker is the true victim!
If people have a difficult time shaking the smoke habit, then they simply need to try harder. It can be done, even if it causes difficulty to the smoker.
Actually, I have found that non-smokers are usually a little more rude when it comes to this subject.
That's because they have never experience that level of addiction. It's unfortunate that they can't know what it's like. They may know what it's like to have a coffee addiction or a gambling addiction, but neither are anywhere similar to nicotine addiction.
I know that some people just can't quit, the amount of people that actually do manage to quit is 2% with or without things like the patch or nicorette.
I necessarily have the passion for writing this, and you have the passion for condemning me; both of us are equally fools, equally the toys of destiny. Your nature is to do harm, mine is to love truth, and to make it public in spite of you. - Voltaire
Actually, I have found that non-smokers are usually a little more rude when it comes to this subject.
Well, if we are rude, perhaps it is because we don't like to be subjected to smoke when we are out and about. Think how absurd it is to have to tolerate puffs of smoke in the air.
I get rude towards smokers because they seem as if they deserve "smokers rights".
That's because they have never experience that level of addiction. It's unfortunate that they can't know what it's like. They may know what it's like to have a coffee addiction or a gambling addiction, but neither are anywhere similar to nicotine addiction.
I know that some people just can't quit, the amount of people that actually do manage to quit is 2% with or without things like the patch or nicorette.
So if a heroin addict attempts to rob you, is it ok, since they have a harsh addiction that needs feeding?
So if a heroin addict attempts to rob you, is it ok, since they have a harsh addiction that needs feeding?
How many times have you been robbed by a smoker for smoke money?
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All we need now is the Players, Du Maurier and Tim Hortons garbage trucks and the cities will look 70% more beautiful. Don't cha think?
This is what gets me. All the crusaders say smoke outside. Then I can't smoke in a baseball stadium. That is outside. I can't smoke at the bus stop. That is outside. I can't smoke in front of my work place. That is outside. I can't smoke on the patio at the bar. That is outside. I can't smoke outside. And that is outside.
For the Yanks: Do you think that if you work for Marlboro that you can smoke in the work place?
Has anybody seen the commerical with the guy on the horse riding through what seems to be NYC and then sings the song about how bad smoking is for you, while holding the thing to the hole in his throat?
Goddamnit our country is full of idiots. We don't need fucking legislation for superfluous shit like this.
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Amen to that!
Otherwise, I think that not smoking in public buildings is a good idea, but anywhere outside should be allowed. However, say if you're at a stadium and want to light up, have some consideration for the people sitting next to you and go stand where there's not a crowd of people around.
For once i agree with you.
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you can't compare this at all.....
if you want to kill your own liver, feel free to do so....that choice only has personal consequences....
smoking in a public place however, kills other people's lungs as well so the choice you are making affects others. this is a fact that cannot be denied.
as a non-smoker who is allergic to smoke, i appreciate that when i come home from a bar i don't a) smell like a bag of shit and b) don't have to wheez for the rest of the night to get some air.
i realize the argument comes that if i'm allergic to smoke, i don't have to go to bars, but come on now, how stupid is that? because some other "victim of the tobacco company" chose to get addicted at whatever age they wanted to, i have to stay home???? that's just plain old silly.
don't get me wrong here, i do think the government has gone too far. i coudl care less if people want to smoke outside, anywhere outside, in their homes, in their cars, anywhere. but i don't think asking someone to go outside while at a bar or at a restaurant is too much to ask.
**as far as my "victim of the tobacco company" comment goes, i think you're being a bit dramatic. it was a choice you made at one point, whether you were old enough to realize what you were doing or not. But in the same breath, i can say that i do think the tobacco companies are a bunch of scum-sucking mother f@ckers. if my feelings of hatred weren't strong enough already, watching the movie "the insider" with russell crowe solidified every evil thought i've ever had about them.
What if there are area's for smokers, what's wrong with that?
Nobody chooses to get addicted.
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No, you don't have to stay home. You would be perfectly free to patronize an establishment which the owner has chosen to be smoke-free. Before the smoking ban in Washington state, there were clubs and coffee shops around which were smoke free. There were also a few bands that would ask a club to designate itself non-smoking for the night of the show. People had choices. Now, no choice is available to business owners or patrons due to government coersion.
i agree with ya, just the other day some old fuck was smoking on the bus :mad:
You may not choose to get addicted, but it was a choice to use the instrument of addiction in the first place (i.e. to start smoking).
I don't say that, but I do say: when in doubt, I side with the nonsmoker--for any public building anyway. I lived in Peoria, IL a few years ago and people were up in arms when they disallowed smoking at the Civic Center lobby (where the tickets are sold). People were dumping their minor league hockey and Bradley Hoops season tickets. Fuck them. It's my building to and I don't need to brethe their smoke so they can feed their own weakness. That said, I reluctantly have to agree that a private business should be able to determine smoking rules for themselves. I patronize the hell out of smoke-free places and I find it great to see places choosing to go smoke free. And every time they do, someone whines about it, but they'll get used to it.
Tobacco companies are evil just like drug dealers, but if you smoke, you do so because you made your choice. I don't give a shit if you are jonsin. It's your problem. It never ceases to amaze me that decade after decade, the same proportion of young people take up smoking.
Smoking is by nature a selfish habit. You could not be an avid smoker and keep it away from all people at all times. My mom thinks she does, but she does not . She has been around the smell her entire life and has no concept of how far that smoke will go. It was not until I had been moved out for like a year before I realized it.
I know we can't make this illegal, but when I am walking down the street and the wind blows someone's smoke at me it pisses me off. And the person smoking, even if it is outside, is being selfish.
perfectly free to go, granted. but then i also need non-smoking friends who want to go where i want to go all the time. i see nothing wrong with public places, like bars, being non-smoking and having a smoking section outside. i think that's the best way to keep everyone happy. some bars have made some wicked patios just for the smokers, with heaters and all for the winter.
just as an added note, and this is totally just me being a big suck, but i can't even count how many times i've been burned by the end of some drunk baffoon's cigarette while they're flailing their arms around in a bar. i definitely don't miss that shit.
I'm a non cigarette smoker (0: and can do without smelling like a cig after going to a bar (except Anhimus's he should be able to smoke anywhere) but I draw the line on outside....entry ways..porches etc. If your outside..the risk is very low and it goes to far. There are lots of foul smells out there...and smelling a little smoke is no biggie. Now as far as not having ashtrays provided to you....put them in your freakin pocket till you find a trash bin...simple no?
Nope, can't have it...they would be conributing to our climate change. Smelly bastards.
That's the major misconception about smoking, that it's a selfish luxury, like owning a $200,000 sports car. It's the furthest thing from it.
Look at the financial side-effects, the health effects, the smell, smoking indoors leaves stains on the walls, everything turns tar brown. It's a killer habit, it's not selfish, everyone that smokes is killing themselves, they stink, they are ruining all of their posessions, they are spending lots of money on it and now they are being shunned.
There is no reason, NO reason a person smokes for selfishness, there is nothing AT ALL to be gained from a tobacco addiction. It is NOT a selfish habit, it's a destructive addiction.
Smokers should carry their own ash trays, that's a good idea. Of course they won't because carrying around an ash tray would be gross. It is like cars and smokers. Most cars have some type of ash try in them, yet I always see smokers throwing their butts out the window. Why? Because it would be gross to have a bunch of cig butts and ash in their car.
Smokers should have to swallow the butt of their cig when finished. There's no way it can be any worse for you then the nasty smoke you just filled your lungs with.
It may not be a selfish luxury, but it is a selfish habit in that in effects others around the smokers. If a smoker insists on smoking around those who are bothered by the smoke, that constitutes a selfish act.
Stop playing the roll of the victim just because you got addicted and can't quick...the non-smoker is the true victim!
If people have a difficult time shaking the smoke habit, then they simply need to try harder. It can be done, even if it causes difficulty to the smoker.
The smokers or the non-smokers?
That's because they have never experience that level of addiction. It's unfortunate that they can't know what it's like. They may know what it's like to have a coffee addiction or a gambling addiction, but neither are anywhere similar to nicotine addiction.
I know that some people just can't quit, the amount of people that actually do manage to quit is 2% with or without things like the patch or nicorette.
Well, if we are rude, perhaps it is because we don't like to be subjected to smoke when we are out and about. Think how absurd it is to have to tolerate puffs of smoke in the air.
I get rude towards smokers because they seem as if they deserve "smokers rights".
So if a heroin addict attempts to rob you, is it ok, since they have a harsh addiction that needs feeding?
How many times have you been robbed by a smoker for smoke money?