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no smoking in public buildings???

present addresspresent address Posts: 72
edited January 2007 in A Moving Train
what do you all think? has the government gone to far with this? and should it apply to all places? i think to much government is really bad really bad....
i think the only thing diners should have to have is smoking and non smoking sections but it could be their call to go smoke free... clearly places like hospitals and health care places should be smoke free... but what is wrong with the break room for smoking ..... i remember going to the basement of my school to get the janitor for a mop and he was in the breakroom smoking...
i never thought for one minute man he shouldnt be smoking in here..... and this was like ten years ago... you cant smoke on school grounds but if in your car you sit in the parking lot and smoke... makes sense write... and towns are going smoke free all around me its crazy.... especially for bars......wow you can kill your liver but not your lungs...... what your kidding this is sofa king stupid.... anyways your thoughts please
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  • jlew24asujlew24asu Posts: 10,118
    gone to far?? fuck no. smokers deserve NO rights.
  • AhnimusAhnimus Posts: 10,560
    present address wrote:
    what do you all think? has the government gone to far with this? and should it apply to all places? i think to much government is really bad really bad....
    i think the only thing diners should have to have is smoking and non smoking sections but it could be their call to go smoke free... clearly places like hospitals and health care places should be smoke free... but what is wrong with the break room for smoking ..... i remember going to the basement of my school to get the janitor for a mop and he was in the breakroom smoking...
    i never thought for one minute man he shouldnt be smoking in here..... and this was like ten years ago... you cant smoke on school grounds but if in your car you sit in the parking lot and smoke... makes sense write... and towns are going smoke free all around me its crazy.... especially for bars......wow you can kill your liver but not your lungs...... what your kidding this is sofa king stupid.... anyways your thoughts please

    When it crossed the line from respecting others health to banishing smokers, it was too far. I agree others shouldn't have to inhale second hand smoke, but smokers shouldn't legally have to go 3 blocks down the street to have a cigarette. That's just ridiculous, that's just over the top.
    I necessarily have the passion for writing this, and you have the passion for condemning me; both of us are equally fools, equally the toys of destiny. Your nature is to do harm, mine is to love truth, and to make it public in spite of you. - Voltaire
  • AhnimusAhnimus Posts: 10,560
    Just wait in a few months everyone will be complaining about cigarette butts being all over the ground. That's where we are at in London, ON. It's just stupid, I mean what the fuck do they expect to happen?
    I necessarily have the passion for writing this, and you have the passion for condemning me; both of us are equally fools, equally the toys of destiny. Your nature is to do harm, mine is to love truth, and to make it public in spite of you. - Voltaire
  • jeffbrjeffbr Seattle Posts: 7,177
    I don't mind smoking restrictions in public places. I do mind smoking bans on private property in private establishments. I am not a smoker, but I am a fan of liberty.
    "I'll use the magic word - let's just shut the fuck up, please." EV, 04/13/08
  • yellowled24yellowled24 Posts: 3,118
    in australia u can hardly smoke anywhere. Even alot of pubs and clubs and casinos have banned it!
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  • Tom KTom K Posts: 842
    Privately owned places, I feel, should be able to make their own rules regarding smoking..
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  • AhnimusAhnimus Posts: 10,560
    Have some compassion I say, I smoke 800 of these fucking things every month. Do I want to? Absolutely not, but it's just not that fucking simple.

    Shit, everyday I inhale car fumes like crazy and it's disgusting, if I'm forced to inhale that shit then people can suffer a little bit of tobacco smoke from time to time.
    I necessarily have the passion for writing this, and you have the passion for condemning me; both of us are equally fools, equally the toys of destiny. Your nature is to do harm, mine is to love truth, and to make it public in spite of you. - Voltaire
  • mca47mca47 Posts: 13,297
    I'm not one of those diehard anti-smoker people, but I hate being somewhere and stinking like smoke.
    If you wanna smoke, simply step outside.
    Hell, I used to smoke (casually) and I think it's nasty!
  • CorporateWhoreCorporateWhore Posts: 1,890
    Smoking should be illegal in publicly owned buildings because people have to enter those buildings at times. Those people don't deserve to inhale second hand smoke.

    In privately owned buildings, the government has no right to tell them they cannot allow smoking. Next they'll be telling me I can't smoke in my own house.
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  • AhnimusAhnimus Posts: 10,560
    mca47 wrote:
    I'm not one of those diehard anti-smoker people, but I hate being somewhere and stinking like smoke.
    If you wanna smoke, simply step outside.
    Hell, I used to smoke (casually) and I think it's nasty!

    Ok, but when you step outside you can't escape the car fumes, how can I as a non-owner of a car, force all you SUV driving assholes to take your vehicles to a different planet?
    I necessarily have the passion for writing this, and you have the passion for condemning me; both of us are equally fools, equally the toys of destiny. Your nature is to do harm, mine is to love truth, and to make it public in spite of you. - Voltaire
  • trappedinmyradiotrappedinmyradio Posts: 1,189
    present address wrote:
    what do you all think? has the government gone to far with this? and should it apply to all places? i think to much government is really bad really bad....
    i think the only thing diners should have to have is smoking and non smoking sections but it could be their call to go smoke free... clearly places like hospitals and health care places should be smoke free... but what is wrong with the break room for smoking ..... i remember going to the basement of my school to get the janitor for a mop and he was in the breakroom smoking...
    i never thought for one minute man he shouldnt be smoking in here..... and this was like ten years ago... you cant smoke on school grounds but if in your car you sit in the parking lot and smoke... makes sense write... and towns are going smoke free all around me its crazy.... especially for bars......wow you can kill your liver but not your lungs...... what your kidding this is sofa king stupid.... anyways your thoughts please

    no one is being told that they can't smoke. they are be told that they can't smoke where it affects other people. the act of someone drinking in a bar doesn't affect another person...but, the act of smoking DOES affect other people...there are smoke rooms all over the world...they're called OUTSIDE. if people really need to smoke that badly then smoke away...but stay away from me with it.
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  • wolfbearwolfbear Posts: 3,965
    Ahnimus wrote:
    Just wait in a few months everyone will be complaining about cigarette butts being all over the ground. That's where we are at in London, ON. It's just stupid, I mean what the fuck do they expect to happen?
    That drove me crazy in Hawaii. We were there in December for the concert after they passed the strict non-smoking law. They have no ashtrays in the very few places that smoking is allowed so it's just a mess.
    "I'd rather be with an animal." "Those that can be trusted can change their mind." "The in between is mine." "If I don't lose control, explore and not explode, a preternatural other plane with the power to maintain." "Yeh this is living." "Life is what you make it."
  • AhnimusAhnimus Posts: 10,560
    trappedinmyradio wrote:
    no one is being told that they can't smoke. they are be told that they can't smoke where it affects other people. the act of someone drinking in a bar doesn't affect another person...but, the act of smoking DOES affect other people...there are smoke rooms all over the world...they're called OUTSIDE. if people really need to smoke that badly then smoke away...but stay away from me with it.

    Likewise with the perfume, bad breath and flatulence. Stay away from me with that shit, it's toxic and my lungs feel like they are going to collapse as my throat involuntarily closes.
    I necessarily have the passion for writing this, and you have the passion for condemning me; both of us are equally fools, equally the toys of destiny. Your nature is to do harm, mine is to love truth, and to make it public in spite of you. - Voltaire
  • wolfbearwolfbear Posts: 3,965
    CorporateWhore wrote:
    Smoking should be illegal in publicly owned buildings because people have to enter those buildings at times. Those people don't deserve to inhale second hand smoke.

    In privately owned buildings, the government has no right to tell them they cannot allow smoking. Next they'll be telling me I can't smoke in my own house.
    That has already happened. Can't remember exactly where, but in a condo somewhere.
    "I'd rather be with an animal." "Those that can be trusted can change their mind." "The in between is mine." "If I don't lose control, explore and not explode, a preternatural other plane with the power to maintain." "Yeh this is living." "Life is what you make it."
  • present addresspresent address Posts: 72
    i dont smoke at all...but bars come on this is going to far its not like little kids are present ..... i didnt want smoke sticks as a kid because smoking was cool i liked the puff of dust that came out the end when you first blew on it.... come on people smaller government less problems
  • AhnimusAhnimus Posts: 10,560
    wolfbear wrote:
    That drove me crazy in Hawaii. We were there in December for the concert after they passed the strict non-smoking law. They have no ashtrays in the very few places that smoking is allowed so it's just a mess.

    Yea, I figured a good compromise would be to allow some kind of designated smoking area. But in london now you can't even have that. You used to be able to smoke on the patios at bars, but people complained to the gov now you can't do that either. It's just gone way over the top and the environment is paying the price. I've said this before you CAN'T get everyone to do whatever you think they should do. While I agree littering butts sucks, people are going to do it unless they have a designated area with proper disposal units.

    In my opinion smoking is a cultural habit, no one would smoke now if smoking was never allowed before. So in-part we all have a responsibility to recognize it as a part of our culture and take reasonable steps to eliminate it. The same goes for alcohol, it's a terrible thing to have people drinking all the time like it's the purpose for life.
    I necessarily have the passion for writing this, and you have the passion for condemning me; both of us are equally fools, equally the toys of destiny. Your nature is to do harm, mine is to love truth, and to make it public in spite of you. - Voltaire
  • JOEJOEJOEJOEJOEJOE Posts: 10,607
    Ahnimus wrote:
    Have some compassion I say, I smoke 800 of these fucking things every month. Do I want to? Absolutely not, but it's just not that fucking simple.

    Shit, everyday I inhale car fumes like crazy and it's disgusting, if I'm forced to inhale that shit then people can suffer a little bit of tobacco smoke from time to time.

    and just how much do you expect society to tolerate the "Its just not that fucking simple" excuse......should child molesters be able to use that excuse?
  • present addresspresent address Posts: 72
    trappedinmyradio wrote:
    no one is being told that they can't smoke. they are be told that they can't smoke where it affects other people. the act of someone drinking in a bar doesn't affect another person...but, the act of smoking DOES affect other people...there are smoke rooms all over the world...they're called OUTSIDE. if people really need to smoke that badly then smoke away...but stay away from me with it.


    like i said kill your liver not your lung............figure that one out..... your liver you need more than your lungs.....john wayne lived a long time with a lung mickie mantle lived short with one liver
  • jeffbrjeffbr Seattle Posts: 7,177
    trappedinmyradio wrote:
    no one is being told that they can't smoke. they are be told that they can't smoke where it affects other people. the act of someone drinking in a bar doesn't affect another person...but, the act of smoking DOES affect other people...there are smoke rooms all over the world...they're called OUTSIDE. if people really need to smoke that badly then smoke away...but stay away from me with it.

    Nobody forces you to patronize private establishments that allow smoking. if you don't like it, don't vote with your dollars. Go to a non-smoking establishment and support the owner.
    "I'll use the magic word - let's just shut the fuck up, please." EV, 04/13/08
  • wolfbearwolfbear Posts: 3,965
    Ahnimus wrote:
    Yea, I figured a good compromise would be to allow some kind of designated smoking area. But in london now you can't even have that. You used to be able to smoke on the patios at bars, but people complained to the gov now you can't do that either. It's just gone way over the top and the environment is paying the price. I've said this before you CAN'T get everyone to do whatever you think they should do. While I agree littering butts sucks, people are going to do it unless they have a designated area with proper disposal units.

    In my opinion smoking is a cultural habit, no one would smoke now if smoking was never allowed before. So in-part we all have a responsibility to recognize it as a part of our culture and take reasonable steps to eliminate it. The same goes for alcohol, it's a terrible thing to have people drinking all the time like it's the purpose for life.
    That's funny because at Heathrow they had smoking areas that weren't separated at all and some of the bars also allowed smoking. We figured England was pretty "middle of the road". I understand it in public buildings, etc., but when it's outside or in someones home, it just seems silly.
    "I'd rather be with an animal." "Those that can be trusted can change their mind." "The in between is mine." "If I don't lose control, explore and not explode, a preternatural other plane with the power to maintain." "Yeh this is living." "Life is what you make it."
  • AhnimusAhnimus Posts: 10,560
    JOEJOEJOE wrote:
    and just how much do you expect society to tolerate the "Its just not that fucking simple" excuse......should child molesters be able to use that excuse?

    Dude, you need to understand, breaking-up with your GF is a piece of cake next to smoking. Shit, even getting over a family death is a walk in the park.

    Cigarettes with all the added crap are the most highly addictive substance commercially available. It's ridiculous. You can tell kids it's bad for them, but their executive functions are developed enough to fully comprehend the consequences. Some may, but not all. They become the victims of the tobacco industry, that's what they are victims. The industry is a victim of greed as well. We just need to approach it differently.
    I necessarily have the passion for writing this, and you have the passion for condemning me; both of us are equally fools, equally the toys of destiny. Your nature is to do harm, mine is to love truth, and to make it public in spite of you. - Voltaire
  • moeaholicmoeaholic Posts: 535
    pfft, that's been like that for a while now here. no smoking indoors anywhere, except for your own home. the only problem i have with that is not being allowed to smoke in a bar. i mean, it isn't driving me crazy if, when i go out, i have to go outside to smoke. it's just....come on, now. no smoking in a bar? seems a bit much to me.
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  • AhnimusAhnimus Posts: 10,560
    wolfbear wrote:
    That's funny because at Heathrow they had smoking areas that weren't separated at all and some of the bars also allowed smoking. We figured England was pretty "middle of the road". I understand it in public buildings, etc., but when it's outside or in someones home, it just seems silly.

    Heh, I forget to specify sometimes, London, ON, Canada :)
    I necessarily have the passion for writing this, and you have the passion for condemning me; both of us are equally fools, equally the toys of destiny. Your nature is to do harm, mine is to love truth, and to make it public in spite of you. - Voltaire
  • moeaholicmoeaholic Posts: 535
    JOEJOEJOE wrote:
    and just how much do you expect society to tolerate the "Its just not that fucking simple" excuse......should child molesters be able to use that excuse?

    lol, you did not just compare molesting children with smoking in public, did you?
    "PC Load Letter?! What the fuck does that mean?"
    ~Michael Bolton
  • AhnimusAhnimus Posts: 10,560
    moeaholic wrote:
    lol, you did not just compare molesting children with smoking in public, did you?

    I would say they are two completely different things. We don't really know why people molest children, some theories point to retarded sexual development, but no one really has the answer on that.

    Smoking on the other hand, we know is a result of chemical dependencies in the brain.
    I necessarily have the passion for writing this, and you have the passion for condemning me; both of us are equally fools, equally the toys of destiny. Your nature is to do harm, mine is to love truth, and to make it public in spite of you. - Voltaire
  • JOEJOEJOEJOEJOEJOE Posts: 10,607
    Ahnimus wrote:
    Dude, you need to understand, breaking-up with your GF is a piece of cake next to smoking. Shit, even getting over a family death is a walk in the park.

    Cigarettes with all the added crap are the most highly addictive substance commercially available. It's ridiculous. You can tell kids it's bad for them, but their executive functions are developed enough to fully comprehend the consequences. Some may, but not all. They become the victims of the tobacco industry, that's what they are victims. The industry is a victim of greed as well. We just need to approach it differently.

    I can imagine that it is difficult to quit, but should society suffer because you got hooked?

    should a jury go easy on someone who accidentally caused a fire because they needed their nicotine fix, but then fell asleep with a lit cigarette?

    if you become a degenerate gambler and turn to crime, should the poker website be held accountable?
  • present addresspresent address Posts: 72
    is a hijack about to happen here
  • JOEJOEJOEJOEJOEJOE Posts: 10,607
    moeaholic wrote:
    lol, you did not just compare molesting children with smoking in public, did you?

    nope...i was asking how far society must go to accomodate "sick" people....i used child molesters as an extreme example.
  • wolfbearwolfbear Posts: 3,965
    JOEJOEJOE wrote:
    I can imagine that it is difficult to quit, but should society suffer because you got hooked?

    should a jury go easy on someone who accidentally caused a fire because they needed their nicotine fix, but then fell asleep with a lit cigarette?

    if you become a degenerate gambler and turn to crime, should the poker website be held accountable?
    No. The examples you gave though were for irresponsible people. Society shouldn't suffer, but as of today at least, smoking is legal. There should be some places that they can smoke. I agree with most of it, but think it has almost gone too far, at least in some places. :)
    "I'd rather be with an animal." "Those that can be trusted can change their mind." "The in between is mine." "If I don't lose control, explore and not explode, a preternatural other plane with the power to maintain." "Yeh this is living." "Life is what you make it."
  • The IllinoisemakersThe Illinoisemakers Posts: 461
    present address wrote:
    like i said kill your liver not your lung............figure that one out..... your liver you need more than your lungs.....john wayne lived a long time with a lung mickie mantle lived short with one liver

    Come on you can't compare this. You need both just the same, and if you had to transplant one, it would probably be easier to transplant a liver.

    Smoking is a disgusting habit. I don't really think the gov't should be telling private business owners whether people can smoke in their businesses, but I will say its nice to go to a bar and not smell like shit afterwards.
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