maybe GW and his side kick VP Numb Nuts will stop building that out of control
huge embassy over there in the desert.
isn't that fucker costing billions or trillions of dollars to build?
all the while our economy falls.
good call cock sucker.
i cannot stand those greedy oil havin dickless ball sacks.
maybe GW and his side kick VP Numb Nuts will stop building that out of control
huge embassy over there in the desert.
isn't that fucker costing billions or trillions of dollars to build?
all the while our economy falls.
good call cock sucker.
i cannot stand those greedy oil havin dickless ball sacks.
thank you
that is all
carry on...
I have a comment,
and I like what you say, Chadwick.
FUCK George W!!!!
7/2/06 - Denver, CO
6/12/08 - Tampa, FL
8/23/09 - Chicago, IL
9/28/09 - Salt Lake City, UT (11 years too long!!!)
9/03/11 - East Troy, WI - PJ20 - Night 1
9/04/11 - East Troy, WI - PJ20 - Night 2
A 2004 poll of 1,000 economists showed that the majority of economists favor "redistribution." A study by the Southern Economic Journal found that "71 percent of American economists believe the distribution of income in the US should be more equal, and 81 percent feel that the redistribution of income is a legitimate role for government." Data from the United States Department of Commerce and Internal Revenue Service indicate that income inequality has been increasing since the 1970s.
Yeah, I read an interesting article online regarding the feeling of mosts economists on redistribution. Basically, there are few economists who work outside of the government, they usually as preofessors of some school or other, or on the fed payroll directly in some capacity. Basically, it is in their best interests to advocate for redistribution, as they themselves are not subject to real world success-fail scenarios. Their agenda is to preserve and promote the institution that pays them.
I'll find the article and post. With all the new articles on socialism relating to the election it's like a needle in a haystack, but I'll get it.
"The top 1 percent of households received 22.9 percent of all pre-tax income in 2006, more than double what that figure was in the 1970s," the Working Group on Extreme Inequality reports. "This is the greatest concentration of income since 1928." And: "Between 1979 and 2006, the top 5 percent of American families saw their real incomes increase 87 percent. Over the same period, the lowest-income fifth saw zero increase in real income."
Its time for action. But, we can't expect Obama to do it himself. "When President Franklin Roosevelt heard pleas for bold steps to counter extreme economic inequality, he replied: "Go out and make me do it."
Keep hope alive.
I cannot for the life of me understand how people don't get this.
The system has become broken through greed, corruption and other such things.
SO much of this wealth is "earned" off the backs of people that struggle just to adequately feed and clothe their families. How anyone doesn't see that this trend must be stopped and set forth in the other direction is mind boggling...
I cannot for the life of me understand how people don't get this.
The system has become broken through greed, corruption and other such things.
SO much of this wealth is "earned" off the backs of people that struggle just to adequately feed and clothe their families. How anyone doesn't see that this trend must be stopped and set forth in the other direction is mind boggling...
I cannot for the life of me understand how people don't get this.
The system has become broken through greed, corruption and other such things.
SO much of this wealth is "earned" off the backs of people that struggle just to adequately feed and clothe their families. How anyone doesn't see that this trend must be stopped and set forth in the other direction is mind boggling...
Keep hope alive.
You mean, keep hate alive?
You ignore the opportunities afforded by capitalism, just because there's rich people. Would you rather there were no rich people at all? What if you have an opportunity to become wealthy?
You also ignore history. socialism, at the end of the day, concentrates even more wealth at the expense of the poor. Read your history. Socialism is a gross perversion of so-called fairness. Life ain't fair, you gotta get past that.
You ignore the opportunities afforded by capitalism, just because there's rich people. Would you rather there were no rich people at all? What if you have an opportunity to become wealthy?
You also ignore history. socialism, at the end of the day, concentrates even more wealth at the expense of the poor. Read your history. Socialism is a gross perversion of so-called fairness. Life ain't fair, you gotta get past that.
Ah "Life ain't fair"... the faithful mantra of heartless bastards worldwide...
Ah "Life ain't fair"... the faithful mantra of heartless bastards worldwide...
Such an arrogant fool, more hot air with no depth at all. Dumb. but lest anyone buys SCB's (or any SocialistCommunist) blatant Bullshit...
If you can show me any point in history, with any species anywhere in the galaxy, in which life was at any point "fair", i'll listen. But you won't because you can't.
Do you believe in evolution, or not? You can't just take what you want from evolution and use it for your own agenda. By trying to promote "fairness", we just lower the bar for all. There will never be fairness, that's just not how reality works. The idea is completely void of rational thought.
Socialism is going backwards. If you want to move beyond, you have to move forward. So let's move forward. Let's explore something NEW.
Can't wait for the "your the one..." response with nothing behind it. Thought so.
Such an arrogant fool, more hot air with no depth at all. Dumb. but lest anyone buys SCB's (or any SocialistCommunist) blatant Bullshit...
If you can show me any point in history, with any species anywhere in the galaxy, in which life was at any point "fair", i'll listen. But you won't because you can't.
Do you believe in evolution, or not? You can't just take what you want from evolution and use it for your own agenda. By trying to promote "fairness", we just lower the bar for all. There will never be fairness, that's just not how reality works. The idea is completely void of rational thought.
Socialism is going backwards. If you want to move beyond, you have to move forward. So let's move forward. Let's explore something NEW.
Can't wait for the "your the one..." response with nothing behind it. Thought so.
Haha! Dude, you make such little sense it's fucking comedy!
nothing? at all? any fairness at all...no?
thought so. Just more hot air, nothing relevant.
SO just what is your point?
You really don't seem to have one.
Do you think that allowing the Bush tax cuts (for the rich... wealthiest 5% of the population) to expire will somehow make this world and this country FAIR?
I don't think anyone here thinks that the plans to change the current tax system will actually make this world FAIR.
There will still be many, many, many poor hungry homeless children. Don't worry your world isn't going to change that much.
Do you think that allowing the Bush tax cuts (for the rich... wealthiest 5% of the population) to expire will somehow make this world and this country FAIR?
I don't think anyone here thinks that the plans to change the current tax system will actually make this world FAIR.
'zactly, I don't want a few dollars to buy more chinese made crap. I want jobs. Now, who provides the jobs?
What, you get something, but think you aren't going to give up something in return? If you succeed on your own merit, the you don't owe anyone a damn thing. That's why capitalism is the road to freedom. There's no such thing as no downside, even in the freest market. To pretend that socialism is this no-downside, utopian ideal is ignorant. I opt for less downside than more.
Do you think that allowing the Bush tax cuts (for the rich... wealthiest 5% of the population) to expire will somehow make this world and this country FAIR?
You really don't understand the Bush tax cuts. They were for EVERYBODY who paid taxes ... which is why EVERYBODY who paid taxes got a refund off the top and EVERYBODY who paid taxes paid at a lower rate than under Clinton.
My household makes $50K a year, which I didn't *think* was wealthy. By simply allowing the Bush tax cuts to expire, my tax bill goes up by $4K a year.
If you're not for cutting taxes, fine. But all this propoganda about how Bush's tax plan *only* helped the rich is just fucking insane.
If you want to talk "fair" ... Republicans in general want to keep tax rates low for everyone.
Democrats want to tax the rich and the rich only.
Which is fair?
And why does Obama want to tax the shit out of my 401K? And why does he want to charge my grandparents a death tax to leave their estate to their children? My grandparents are retired and living off their stocks ... why does Obama want to increase the rate they pay when they cash the stocks out ... you know, to buy food and medication and such? Why is it that, under Obama's plan, a married couple will pay a higher tax rate than two single people living together?
None of that seems fair, either, while we're on the subject.
everybody wants the most they can possibly get
for the least they could possibly do
To pretend that socialism is this no-downside, utopian ideal is ignorant.
Dude, I swear I think you're having a conversation with yourself. (You've been having this same conversation with yourself throughout various threads for the past few months.)
NO ONE HAS EVER SAID "SOCIALISM IS THIS NO-DOWNSIDE, UTOPIAN IDEAL". I don't believe anyone has ever even said they want the U.S. to become a socialist country.
'zactly, I don't want a few dollars to buy more chinese made crap. I want jobs. Now, who provides the jobs?
What, you get something, but think you aren't going to give up something in return? If you succeed on your own merit, the you don't owe anyone a damn thing. That's why capitalism is the road to freedom. There's no such thing as no downside, even in the freest market. To pretend that socialism is this no-downside, utopian ideal is ignorant. I opt for less downside than more.
Demand provides jobs. Demand from a robust middle class. There's more than enough examples of lousy economies with superrich folks at the helm. Read your history or just look outside your borders at the world around you.
The combined spending, saving, and investing of a large middle class can result in far more economic growth (and social stability) than concentration of wealth among a relatively small subset of the population regardless of how much potential they have to create jobs. Without large numbers of middle class consumers buying things there is no reason for the rich to do anything with their money other than sit on it and conjure up aristocrat perpetuating tax policy and then market it.
Demand provides jobs. Demand from a robust middle class. There's more than enough examples of lousy economies with superrich folks at the helm. Read your history or just look outside your borders at the world around you.
The combined spending, saving, and investing of a large middle class can result in far more economic growth (and social stability) than concentration of wealth among a relatively small subset of the population regardless of how much potential they have to create jobs. Without large numbers of middle class consumers buying things there is no reason for the rich to do anything with their money other than sit on it and conjure up aristocrat perpetuating tax policy and then market it to suckers such as yourself.
I'd be fine with that if you could convince me that Obama's plan helps the middle class. It doesn't. It helps poor people with a check, so whatever with that. The evaporation of the middle class is a upward motion largely, as most evaporations are. As in, we go from middle- to upper-middle and so on, this so-called assault on the middle class, at least in a true conservative policy context, is bullshit. It's liberal idealism that keeps people down. History.
Again, where has all of the liberal policies (like welfare and abortion) gotten us over the last 40 years? Have we defeated poverty? Have we stopped crime? All these ideals in practice are an abject failure, and so will Obama's tax plan.
And demand does supply some jobs (i would argue ingenuity is a far greater vehicle for jobs: it's not like we had a demand for a computer before Bill Gates and that "other guy"), but two questions:
1. who fills the demand? Who owns the stores where we satisfy this demand?
Really?? So now I'm not going to have to pay ANY taxes??? Sweet! I wasn't aware of that.
Well, again, it's because you're not that bright. Most of the federal taxes you pay (if not all) are really your ssi and unemployent. But I'm sure you knew that.
Well, again, it's because you're not that bright. Most of the federal taxes you pay (if not all) are really your ssi and unemployent. But I'm sure you knew that.
Haha... whatever. You're just jealous because I'm a billion times brighter than you are.
Yes, I'm well aware of exactly what taxes I pay.
My comment was pure sarcasm, since obviously it's not true that I won't have to pay any taxes under Obama. I'm sorry you're not able to grasp such a simple concept.
Haha... whatever. You're just jealous because I'm a billion times brighter than you are.
Yes, I'm well aware of exactly what taxes I pay.
My comment was pure sarcasm, since obviously it's not true that I won't have to pay any taxes under Obama. I'm sorry you're not able to grasp such a simple concept.
I call out your stupidity point-blank (all the time BTW) and you say "just joking". it's cool, you got schooled and you know it. Happens a lot to you. Good night now.
I'd be fine with that if you could convince me that Obama's plan helps the middle class. It doesn't. It helps poor people with a check, so whatever with that. The evaporation of the middle class is a upward motion largely, as most evaporations are. As in, we go from middle- to upper-middle and so on, this so-called assault on the middle class, at least in a true conservative policy context, is bullshit. It's liberal idealism that keeps people down. History.
Again, where has all of the liberal policies (like welfare and abortion) gotten us over the last 40 years? Have we defeated poverty? Have we stopped crime? All these ideals in practice are an abject failure, and so will Obama's tax plan.
And demand does supply some jobs (i would argue ingenuity is a far greater vehicle for jobs: it's not like we had a demand for a computer before Bill Gates and that "other guy"), but two questions:
1. who fills the demand? Who owns the stores where we satisfy this demand?
2. what goods and services are we demanding?
Haha! I love it! You had to bring abortion into it, didn't you? Doesn't matter whether it's relevant or makes sense, just be sure to get that dig in against abortion.
I swear, I couldn't write a better comedy than this. I'm gonna go make some popcorn to enjoy the show...
I call out your stupidity point-blank (all the time BTW) and you say "just joking". it's cool, you got schooled and you know it. Happens a lot to you. Good night now.
Dude, seriously, what the fuck are you talking about???? I'd love to see even one example of one time you've ever "schooled" me and/or I've said "just joking".
I think you are living in some sort of alternate reality. Have you stopped taking your meds?
Comments
i am surprised no one had a comment.
"Hear me, my chiefs!
I am tired; my heart is
sick and sad. From where
the sun stands I will fight
no more forever."
Chief Joseph - Nez Perce
I have a comment,
and I like what you say, Chadwick.
FUCK George W!!!!
6/12/08 - Tampa, FL
8/23/09 - Chicago, IL
9/28/09 - Salt Lake City, UT (11 years too long!!!)
9/03/11 - East Troy, WI - PJ20 - Night 1
9/04/11 - East Troy, WI - PJ20 - Night 2
Yeah, I read an interesting article online regarding the feeling of mosts economists on redistribution. Basically, there are few economists who work outside of the government, they usually as preofessors of some school or other, or on the fed payroll directly in some capacity. Basically, it is in their best interests to advocate for redistribution, as they themselves are not subject to real world success-fail scenarios. Their agenda is to preserve and promote the institution that pays them.
I'll find the article and post. With all the new articles on socialism relating to the election it's like a needle in a haystack, but I'll get it.
I cannot for the life of me understand how people don't get this.
The system has become broken through greed, corruption and other such things.
SO much of this wealth is "earned" off the backs of people that struggle just to adequately feed and clothe their families. How anyone doesn't see that this trend must be stopped and set forth in the other direction is mind boggling...
Keep hope alive.
You mean, keep hate alive?
You ignore the opportunities afforded by capitalism, just because there's rich people. Would you rather there were no rich people at all? What if you have an opportunity to become wealthy?
You also ignore history. socialism, at the end of the day, concentrates even more wealth at the expense of the poor. Read your history. Socialism is a gross perversion of so-called fairness. Life ain't fair, you gotta get past that.
Ah "Life ain't fair"... the faithful mantra of heartless bastards worldwide...
Such an arrogant fool, more hot air with no depth at all. Dumb. but lest anyone buys SCB's (or any SocialistCommunist) blatant Bullshit...
If you can show me any point in history, with any species anywhere in the galaxy, in which life was at any point "fair", i'll listen. But you won't because you can't.
Do you believe in evolution, or not? You can't just take what you want from evolution and use it for your own agenda. By trying to promote "fairness", we just lower the bar for all. There will never be fairness, that's just not how reality works. The idea is completely void of rational thought.
Socialism is going backwards. If you want to move beyond, you have to move forward. So let's move forward. Let's explore something NEW.
Can't wait for the "your the one..." response with nothing behind it. Thought so.
Haha! Dude, you make such little sense it's fucking comedy!
Ha! called it.
nothing? at all? any fairness at all...no?
thought so. Just more hot air, nothing relevant.
Yep... fucking COMEDY!
SO just what is your point?
You really don't seem to have one.
Do you think that allowing the Bush tax cuts (for the rich... wealthiest 5% of the population) to expire will somehow make this world and this country FAIR?
I don't think anyone here thinks that the plans to change the current tax system will actually make this world FAIR.
There will still be many, many, many poor hungry homeless children. Don't worry your world isn't going to change that much.
'zactly, I don't want a few dollars to buy more chinese made crap. I want jobs. Now, who provides the jobs?
What, you get something, but think you aren't going to give up something in return? If you succeed on your own merit, the you don't owe anyone a damn thing. That's why capitalism is the road to freedom. There's no such thing as no downside, even in the freest market. To pretend that socialism is this no-downside, utopian ideal is ignorant. I opt for less downside than more.
You really don't understand the Bush tax cuts. They were for EVERYBODY who paid taxes ... which is why EVERYBODY who paid taxes got a refund off the top and EVERYBODY who paid taxes paid at a lower rate than under Clinton.
My household makes $50K a year, which I didn't *think* was wealthy. By simply allowing the Bush tax cuts to expire, my tax bill goes up by $4K a year.
If you're not for cutting taxes, fine. But all this propoganda about how Bush's tax plan *only* helped the rich is just fucking insane.
If you want to talk "fair" ... Republicans in general want to keep tax rates low for everyone.
Democrats want to tax the rich and the rich only.
Which is fair?
And why does Obama want to tax the shit out of my 401K? And why does he want to charge my grandparents a death tax to leave their estate to their children? My grandparents are retired and living off their stocks ... why does Obama want to increase the rate they pay when they cash the stocks out ... you know, to buy food and medication and such? Why is it that, under Obama's plan, a married couple will pay a higher tax rate than two single people living together?
None of that seems fair, either, while we're on the subject.
for the least they could possibly do
Dude, I swear I think you're having a conversation with yourself. (You've been having this same conversation with yourself throughout various threads for the past few months.)
NO ONE HAS EVER SAID "SOCIALISM IS THIS NO-DOWNSIDE, UTOPIAN IDEAL". I don't believe anyone has ever even said they want the U.S. to become a socialist country.
WHAT THE FUCK ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT?????
Really?? So now I'm not going to have to pay ANY taxes??? Sweet! I wasn't aware of that.
Demand provides jobs. Demand from a robust middle class. There's more than enough examples of lousy economies with superrich folks at the helm. Read your history or just look outside your borders at the world around you.
The combined spending, saving, and investing of a large middle class can result in far more economic growth (and social stability) than concentration of wealth among a relatively small subset of the population regardless of how much potential they have to create jobs. Without large numbers of middle class consumers buying things there is no reason for the rich to do anything with their money other than sit on it and conjure up aristocrat perpetuating tax policy and then market it.
I'd be fine with that if you could convince me that Obama's plan helps the middle class. It doesn't. It helps poor people with a check, so whatever with that. The evaporation of the middle class is a upward motion largely, as most evaporations are. As in, we go from middle- to upper-middle and so on, this so-called assault on the middle class, at least in a true conservative policy context, is bullshit. It's liberal idealism that keeps people down. History.
Again, where has all of the liberal policies (like welfare and abortion) gotten us over the last 40 years? Have we defeated poverty? Have we stopped crime? All these ideals in practice are an abject failure, and so will Obama's tax plan.
And demand does supply some jobs (i would argue ingenuity is a far greater vehicle for jobs: it's not like we had a demand for a computer before Bill Gates and that "other guy"), but two questions:
1. who fills the demand? Who owns the stores where we satisfy this demand?
2. what goods and services are we demanding?
Well, again, it's because you're not that bright. Most of the federal taxes you pay (if not all) are really your ssi and unemployent. But I'm sure you knew that.
Haha... whatever. You're just jealous because I'm a billion times brighter than you are.
Yes, I'm well aware of exactly what taxes I pay.
My comment was pure sarcasm, since obviously it's not true that I won't have to pay any taxes under Obama. I'm sorry you're not able to grasp such a simple concept.
I call out your stupidity point-blank (all the time BTW) and you say "just joking". it's cool, you got schooled and you know it. Happens a lot to you. Good night now.
Haha! I love it! You had to bring abortion into it, didn't you? Doesn't matter whether it's relevant or makes sense, just be sure to get that dig in against abortion.
I swear, I couldn't write a better comedy than this. I'm gonna go make some popcorn to enjoy the show...
You are out of your mind, largely. :rolleyes:
How many American families have lost their homes this year?
How many more families are without health insurance since 2000?
This is the middle class moving upward?
Upward to where? The top floor of the local homeless shelter?
that doesn't have a whole hell of a lot to do with the topic at hand (see thread title), but if you throw enough shit on a wall...
And you have the gall to call others stupid?
You are a trip and a half... Mr. Trickle Down.
Dude, seriously, what the fuck are you talking about???? I'd love to see even one example of one time you've ever "schooled" me and/or I've said "just joking".
I think you are living in some sort of alternate reality. Have you stopped taking your meds?