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  • MrBrian
    MrBrian Posts: 2,672
    dayan wrote:
    Yeah, your wrong once again, but that's no surprise. Israel gets support from the US now, but they didn't used to and they still had the best military in the region, not because the US built them up to fight America's war, but because Israel needed it cause its neighbors wouldn't stop trying to kill everyone living there. If Israel was actually as aggressive as you seem to think she is why hasn't she conquered the ME already? She easily could have done it if she wanted to. At the very least a few neighboring countries. Instead she has given back land she conquered in defensive wars in exchange for peace. Do you guys even know any history at all?

    Reading your post, I don't think you know any history.
  • dayan
    dayan Posts: 475
    Commy wrote:
    You obviously haven't read much Chomsky. Or weren't able to comprehend his writing, one of the 2.

    Or maybe he's like me and has read Chomsky and finds him to be ass backwards and repulsive and generally wrong about most things.
  • MrBrian
    MrBrian Posts: 2,672
    dayan wrote:
    Or maybe he's like me and has read Chomsky and finds him to be ass backwards and repulsive and generally wrong about most things.

    prove where he is wrong.
  • Eliot Rosewater
    Eliot Rosewater Posts: 2,659
    dayan wrote:
    Instead she has given back land she conquered in defensive wars in exchange for peace. Do you guys even know any history at all?
    Yeah, just like the U.S. occupation of Iraq is a "defensive war" right? Afterall, what choice did we have? They had all these WMD's and were hell-bent on killing us because we are free. I believe the U.S. to be behind a lot more of Israel's actions than you think.
  • dayan
    dayan Posts: 475
    MrBrian wrote:
    Reading your post, I don't think you know any history.

    OK...great. I really could care less if the blind are saying they don't think I can see.
  • MrBrian
    MrBrian Posts: 2,672
    don't gimme no wrote:
    I believe the U.S. to be behind a lot more of Israel's actions.


    or is israel behind a lot of america's actions? The line blurs easily with the two.
  • Eliot Rosewater
    Eliot Rosewater Posts: 2,659
    dayan wrote:
    OK...great. I really could care less if the blind are saying they don't think I can see.
    Maybe you should knock that shit off and address the issue at hand. I'd love to read a response from you proving Chomsky wrong. The man is probably smarter than all of us combined and a good share of people agree with that.
  • Eliot Rosewater
    Eliot Rosewater Posts: 2,659
    MrBrian wrote:
    or is israel behind a lot of america's actions? The line blurs easily with the two.
    Israel is America's fiftysomethingth state/military base/bitch.
  • MrBrian
    MrBrian Posts: 2,672
    dayan wrote:
    OK...great. I really could care less if the blind are saying they don't think I can see.

    well if you keep on walking into walls, I don't see how anyone can come to any other conclusion other than you having no sight.

    now back to noam. prove him wrong, bring out some facts.
  • dayan
    dayan Posts: 475
    MrBrian wrote:
    prove where he is wrong.

    What does that even mean "prove it!"? Prove that he's wrong about everything? Chomsky has his opinion and I have mine and they happen to be mutually exclusive. I can't prove someone else's opinion to be wrong. If you mean his facts, some of them are correct, maybe even most of them, but he has a tendency to leave out information that doesn't fit into his theory of America always being in the wrong, he often mis-quotes what others have said in order to attack them, and tries to claim that he didn't say what he plainly did when he comes out on the wrong side of history. Just see Cambodia. Look, I am not inclined to get into an argument with you over Chomsky. If you care enough about intellectual integrity you'll look it up yourself.
  • dayan
    dayan Posts: 475
    don't gimme no wrote:
    Yeah, just like the U.S. occupation of Iraq is a "defensive war" right? Afterall, what choice did we have? They had all these WMD's and were hell-bent on killing us because we are free. I believe the U.S. to be behind a lot more of Israel's actions than you think.

    Is this even an argument? When did we start talking about Iraq? If you want to talk about that fine, but I thought we were talking about Israel.
  • MrBrian
    MrBrian Posts: 2,672
    dayan wrote:
    What does that even mean "prove it!"? Prove that he's wrong about everything? Chomsky has his opinion and I have mine and they happen to be mutually exclusive. I can't prove someone else's opinion to be wrong. If you mean his facts, some of them are correct, maybe even most of them, but he has a tendency to leave out information that doesn't fit into his theory of America always being in the wrong, he often mis-quotes what others have said in order to attack them, and tries to claim that he didn't say what he plainly did when he comes out on the wrong side of history. Just see Cambodia. Look, I am not inclined to get into an argument with you over Chomsky. If you care enough about intellectual integrity you'll look it up yourself.

    so I'll take that as you have nothing, not even one instance of him and a mis-quote.

    Not that I think he's perfect or does'nt make mistakes, I'm just wondering how accurate you are.
  • Eliot Rosewater
    Eliot Rosewater Posts: 2,659
    dayan wrote:
    Is this even an argument? When did we start talking about Iraq? If you want to talk about that fine, but I thought we were talking about Israel.
    I'm saying that "defensive wars" as you called them aren't always what they seem. Pay attention please.
  • dayan
    dayan Posts: 475
    don't gimme no wrote:
    Maybe you should knock that shit off and address the issue at hand. I'd love to read a response from you proving Chomsky wrong. The man is probably smarter than all of us combined and a good share of people agree with that.

    And being smart makes you right? There are plenty of brilliant people that disagree with Chomsky so I really don't see your point.
  • dayan
    dayan Posts: 475
    MrBrian wrote:
    so I'll take that as you have nothing, not even one instance of him and a mis-quote.

    Not that I think he's perfect or does'nt make mistakes, I'm just wondering how accurate you are.

    Like I said I'm not getting into Chomsky, and I am certainly not going to let you turn this into something about me. If you want to discuss something substantive that's fine otherwise I'm not interested.
  • Eliot Rosewater
    Eliot Rosewater Posts: 2,659
    dayan wrote:
    And being smart makes you right? There are plenty of brilliant people that disagree with Chomsky so I really don't see your point.
    Of course it doesn't make you right....not all of the time. As for you not seeing my point, I'm gonna have to reference your earlier post about blindness ;) Sure there are (questionably) brilliant people that disagree but I'm not saying this about them....
    dayan wrote:
    Or maybe he's like me and has read Chomsky and finds him to be ass backwards and repulsive and generally wrong about most things.
  • dayan
    dayan Posts: 475
    don't gimme no wrote:
    I'm saying that "defensive wars" as you called them aren't always what they seem. Pay attention please.

    Ok, so give me one instance of a war Israel has fought other than 1982 which was not defensive?
  • dayan
    dayan Posts: 475
    don't gimme no wrote:
    Of course it doesn't make you right....not all of the time. As for you not seeing my point, I'm gonna have to reference your earlier post about blindness ;) Sure there are (questionably) brilliant people that disagree but I'm not saying this about them....

    Do want to talk about something of substance or just go off on your self-righteous Chomsky rant? I think Chomsky is full of shit and I could care less what you think of that.
  • Eliot Rosewater
    Eliot Rosewater Posts: 2,659
    dayan wrote:
    Like I said I'm not getting into Chomsky, and I am certainly not going to let you turn this into something about me. If you want to discuss something substantive that's fine otherwise I'm not interested.
    You call him ass backwards and repulsive yet fail to mention why. When called on it you threaten to leave? Maybe you should click that white X inside the red box in the top right-hand corner because I'd really like to see you disprove something from Chomsky and backup your previous post.
  • Eliot Rosewater
    Eliot Rosewater Posts: 2,659
    dayan wrote:
    Ok, so give me one instance of a war Israel has fought other than 1982 which was not defensive?
    Israeli Invasion of Lebanon (1978)--Operation Litani was the official name of Israel's 1978 invasion of Lebanon up to the Litani river. The invasion was a military success, as the Israeli military expelled the PLO from Southern Lebanon, where they had created a de facto state within a state. An international outcry over the invasion forced a partial Israeli retreat and the creation of a United Nations patrolled buffer zone between the Arab guerrillas and the Israeli military.

    The Six-Day War (1967)--In a rapid pre-emptive attack, Israel crushed the military forces of Egypt, Jordan and Syria and seized large amounts of land from each. Iraq also participated in the fighting on the Arab side.

    The Osirak Raid (1981)--An Israeli air attack on Iraq's Osirak nuclear reactor.

    Israeli-Syrian Air/Sea Battle (Aug. 15, 1966)—After an Israeli patrol boat ran aground on the eastern shore of the Sea of Galilee (according to the 1949 cease-fire agreement, Israeli forces were not supposed to approach within 250 meters of the eastern shore, which was a Demilitarized Zone), Syrian planes attacked it. Israel responded, shooting down two MiG planes.

    West Bank Raids (1966)—Israeli forces raided the Hebron area of the West Bank. These raids resulted in 8 civilian deaths and firefights with the Jordanian Army.

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