Thousands protest Israel offensive at White House..

bootlegger10

Abookamongstthemany wrote:

Simple, there's more money to be made in war than to be made in opening up true dialogue and debate on national news.

In your own words...."Protests are usually done by the fanatical fringe of either ideology. I don't really care too much what these folks have to say anyway." Hmmmm...ever think maybe there's an important reason as to why they might be angry? Or do you just write them off?

I already know what their point is. It doesn't take a rocket scientist to realize why some people agree or disagree with the Iraq war, or tax cuts, or abortion, etc.... A protest like yesterday's is not news.

Abookamongstthemany wrote:

Do you listen to PJ to hear their politcal views or do you put them aside to enjoy the music? Do you care what Ed has to say about current events?Music has more to offer than just opinions, so it can be overlooked to still enjoy the purely musical aspect of the band. Whereas reading and viewing news can't be overlooked because you like the sound of the words.

In my opinion you can't be a fan of Pearl Jam and completely overlook their political leanings. Some of their positions I support, while others I do not. For example, I support their views on the environment. I'm not exactly sold on the idea of global warming, but I do think we can and should do more to protect our environment. Ed's opinion on tax cuts and unemployment I will strongly disagree with. But no, I do not look to Pearl Jam for political or cultural guidance.

MrBrian

bootlegger10 wrote:

Also, Didn't The Us Just Approve A UN Resolution To End The Israel-hezbollah Fighting? Damn America!

If America really wanted an end to the fighting they'd stop sending israel tanks and missles.

btw
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Huge Israeli offensive launched
Despite UN agreement on ceasefire, 30,000 troops are now operating inside Lebanon
By Donald Macintyre in Metulla
Published: 13 August 2006

Israel was in the midst of an expanded air and ground military campaign inside Lebanon yesterday despite international agreement on a UN resolution calling for an "immediate" halt to a month of hostilities by both sides.

In the largest operation of its kind since the Yom Kippur war in 1973, the Israelis used up to 50 helicopters to land hundreds of troops deep inside southern Lebanon before dawn as part of the intensified ground offensive ordered by the Prime Minister, Ehud Olmert, hours before Friday's UN vote

http://news.independent.co.uk/world/middle_east/article1218886.ece

bootlegger10

MrBrian wrote:

If America really wanted an end to the fighting they'd stop sending israel tanks and missles.

btw
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Huge Israeli offensive launched
Despite UN agreement on ceasefire, 30,000 troops are now operating inside Lebanon
By Donald Macintyre in Metulla
Published: 13 August 2006

Israel was in the midst of an expanded air and ground military campaign inside Lebanon yesterday despite international agreement on a UN resolution calling for an "immediate" halt to a month of hostilities by both sides.

In the largest operation of its kind since the Yom Kippur war in 1973, the Israelis used up to 50 helicopters to land hundreds of troops deep inside southern Lebanon before dawn as part of the intensified ground offensive ordered by the Prime Minister, Ehud Olmert, hours before Friday's UN vote

http://news.independent.co.uk/world/middle_east/article1218886.ece

We will find out soon enough whether the resolution works. Please note that Hezbollah has also continued to fight as well. The US is selling Israel weapons to defend itself. Nothing wrong with that.

El_Kabong

bootlegger10 wrote:

We will find out soon enough whether the resolution works. Please note that Hezbollah has also continued to fight as well. The US is selling Israel weapons to defend itself. Nothing wrong with that.

often times the weapons are used for non defensive purposes, which is one of multiple breaches of US law regarding supporting israel

bootlegger10

El_Kabong wrote:

often times the weapons are used for non defensive purposes, which is one of multiple breaches of US law regarding supporting israel

Well in this case they are using them to fight Hezbollah.

dayan

Abookamongstthemany wrote:

You think you hear a million remotes clicking. I think I hear a million new conversations started about and some new thoughts emerging.



Protest are done by those who feel passionately about their beliefs to get out and try to do something about it. If they aren't harming anyone, I say good for them even if I disagree...it's shows they are alive and their hearts are beating. Why wouldn't you care about what these people have to say? Is it only your view you care about? Could ever imagine someone else might know a little bit more than you from time to time? Are your beliefs so easily shaken that you close out what someone else may have to offer before even hearing it in the first place? How sheltered and closeminded.

It's funny. There were also rallies and protests recently in support of Israel. I didn't see them getting widely reported in the news, and yet neither do I see you bemoaning that fact. I wonder, would you make the same argument about the pro-Israel protests and rallies?

bootlegger10

dayan wrote:

It's funny. There were also rallies and protests recently in support of Israel. I didn't see them getting widely reported in the news, and yet neither do I see you bemoaning that fact. I wonder, would you make the same argument about the pro-Israel protests and rallies?

I look forward to this response.

Abookamongstthemany

bootlegger10 wrote:

I already know what their point is. It doesn't take a rocket scientist to realize why some people agree or disagree with the Iraq war, or tax cuts, or abortion, etc.... A protest like yesterday's is not news.

Discussion and dialogue including ALL viewpoint should be included when reporting the news. How is it not news? It just happened yesterday...it could give others ideas about organizing and attending these kind of events to express their feelings on the matter. Just being aware that these events are going on could draw a bigger crowd or even just peak someones curiosity who may be undecided enough to cause them to look further into the matter. News is to inform people.

bootlegger10 wrote:

In my opinion you can't be a fan of Pearl Jam and completely overlook their political leanings. Some of their positions I support, while others I do not. For example, I support their views on the environment. I'm not exactly sold on the idea of global warming, but I do think we can and should do more to protect our environment. Ed's opinion on tax cuts and unemployment I will strongly disagree with. But no, I do not look to Pearl Jam for political or cultural guidance.

So you can enjoy the songs you disagree with? Or do you feel you can't overlook the message in the song enough to get into it?

bootlegger10

Abookamongstthemany wrote:

So you can enjoy the songs you disagree with? Or do you feel you can't overlook the message in the song enough to get into it?

I definitely can enjoy the songs I disagree with. I enjoy the attitude in WWS, but I don't agree with the message.

Abookamongstthemany

dayan wrote:

It's funny. There were also rallies and protests recently in support of Israel. I didn't see them getting widely reported in the news, and yet neither do I see you bemoaning that fact. I wonder, would you make the same argument about the pro-Israel protests and rallies?

Hmmm....I don't agree with Israel's actions. Maybe you should post about it if it means enough to you. I would never argue your right to post what you believe in, I'll only disagree with you if I do.

Abookamongstthemany

bootlegger10 wrote:

I definitely can enjoy the songs I disagree with. I enjoy the attitude in WWS, but I don't agree with the message.

So you can overlook the message. That was all I was saying.

dayan

Abookamongstthemany wrote:

Hmmm....I don't agree with Israel's actions. Maybe you should post about it if it means enough to you. I would never argue your right to post what you believe in, I'll only disagree with you if I do.

You haven't answered my question. My question is if you feel that rallies and protests are so important for starting dialogue and presenting all points of view why is it that you have only pointed to such events that support your own politics? Would you say the same about events that support the other side as well?

MrBrian

dayan wrote:

You haven't answered my question. My question is if you feel that rallies and protests are so important for starting dialogue and presenting all points of view why is it that you have only pointed to such events that support your own politics? Would you say the same about events that support the other side as well?

every single second of every day the israeli side it shown in such a great light on american news, now you complain that our side is not doing enough to point out more of their (israeli) story/protest.

check it out, anderson cooper is running with the israeli troops again, reporting more sad stories of the poor people of israel.

we are asking for a balance.

dayan

MrBrian wrote:

every single second of every day the israeli side it shown in such a great light on american news, now you complain that our side is not doing enough to point out more of their (israeli) story/protest.

check it out, anderson cooper is running with the israeli troops again, reporting more sad stories of the poor people of israel.

we are asking for a balance.

From where I'm sitting I see just the opposite. The news is awash in pictures of dead Lebanese and the political realities and the history and the context of the entire situation, all of which are important to know to understand where Israel is coming from, have been lost. I see the news as being biased (though not intentionally so) against Israel. I guess it all depends on where you are coming from. Even so I don't see your point. If the news is supposed to report on everything so as to create dialogue and get people thinking why should only the side you support fall into this description. Everything means everything, and yet it seems that from where you're coming from everything means only what you agree with.

MrBrian

dayan wrote:

From where I'm sitting I see just the opposite. The news is awash in pictures of dead Lebanese and the political realities and the history and the context of the entire situation, all of which are important to know to understand where Israel is coming from, have been lost. I see the news as being biased (though not intentionally so) against Israel. I guess it all depends on where you are coming from. Even so I don't see your point. If the news is supposed to report on everything so as to create dialogue and get people thinking why should only the side you support fall into this description. Everything means everything, and yet it seems that from where you're coming from everything means only what you agree with.

Yes the news is showing quite alot of the destruction of lebabon, but at the same time they spin it into it being hezbollahs fault. They make it seem like israel is liberating lebanon or something, did'nt the news show the iraq war alot? does that mean the news was against the US or had a bias against america? of course not!

El_Kabong

bootlegger10 wrote:

Well in this case they are using them to fight Hezbollah.

but given their past aggression US law says it is ILLEGAL to sell Israel any weapons as well as give them any aid. given their secret nuke program and failure to sign the Nuclear Non-Proliferation Treaty US law says it is ILLEGAL to sell Israel any weapons as well as give them any aid. So it is still ILLEGAl under US law to sell these weapons to them.

Vedderlution_Baby

I would like to see those picture of the dead without the caption "Person from ::blank:: killed by missile fire". That way people would be able to see the victims of a war without oming to the conclusion "Forget it. Just more liberal propaganda" or "Forget it. Just more conservative propanagda." Once we get past thinking that everything is just more propaganda, then we'll be able to see that the victims of both of the Hezzballoh and Israel are just too much to ignore.

Abookamongstthemany

dayan wrote:

You haven't answered my question. My question is if you feel that rallies and protests are so important for starting dialogue and presenting all points of view why is it that you have only pointed to such events that support your own politics? Would you say the same about events that support the other side as well?

Because I believe in those stances. Why would someone post about something they don't believe in/agree with? That makes no sense. It's up to the person what they want to support and bring attention to. A person is going to post what is important to them...what they feel strongly about. You can post events about what you believe in and we can discuss it all day long but don't expect me to do it all for you.

beachdweller

Commy wrote:

At least somebody cares.


http://www.news.com.au/heraldsun/story/0,,20111539-5005961,00.html

yes, the killing needs to stop, Israel isn't helping themselves in the long run IMO, but if the international community does nothing about a state sponsored and supplied terrorist orgarnization like Hezbollah operating within the confines of another democratic country, then this cycle will continue.

PaperPlates

Commy wrote:

At least somebody cares.


http://www.news.com.au/heraldsun/story/0,,20111539-5005961,00.html

LMAO how many protestors were muslims? Who fucking cares?