Progress is not made by everyone joining some new fad,
and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
over specific principles, goals, and policies.
i started watching Kucinich today when he was reading the 2nd or 3rd article of impeachment. when he got to article 7, i was like 'alright, i get it dude, bush & cheney fucked us over and they need to get the fuck out. word.' and then i channel surfed over to FOXCNNladyland to see what wares they were a' peddlin for at least an hour, and then i flip back to C-Span and Kucizzle still be up in the Hizzouse o' Representin' mackin dem Articles fo' Impeachn' the prez and i'm like DAYM cuz! shiiiit.
i started watching Kucinich today when he was reading the 2nd or 3rd article of impeachment. when he got to article 7, i was like 'alright, i get it dude, bush & cheney fucked us over and they need to get the fuck out. word.' and then i channel surfed over to FOXCNNladyland to see what wares they were a' peddlin for at least an hour, and then i flip back to C-Span and Kucizzle still be up in the Hizzouse o' Representin' mackin dem Articles fo' Impeachn' the prez and i'm like DAYM cuz! shiiiit.
wow. I don't even know what to say.
that made me chuckle.
Everything not forbidden is compulsory and eveything not compulsory is forbidden. You are free... free to do what the government says you can do.
Progress is not made by everyone joining some new fad,
and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
over specific principles, goals, and policies.
I have an idea that you have stolen my car. The police agree because they can see that the car has been driving past your house. I take your car. The police finds out that you dident steal the car. Well police made a mistake, case closed??
Ignoring this testimony is not treasonous although it may be considered negligent.
See above.
Bush was never the head of the CIA. If you can prove that Bush intentionally ordered the falsification of documents you may have something but this, in itself, does nothing to prove a valid case for removal from office.
This is more proof of bad intelligence than treason.
They were basing these on faulty intelligence. Once again, choosing to follow faulty intelligence is not a valid case for removal from office.
This isn't even really saying anything to back up a valid argument for impeachment.
a few years ago there was an article, i think from the washington post, about all these cia analysts quitting b/c they said cheney's office pressured them to give them intel they agreed w/
standin above the crowd
he had a voice that was strong and loud and
i swallowed his facade cos i'm so
eager to identify with
someone above the crowd
someone who seemed to feel the same
someone prepared to lead the way
didn't mcclellan's new book pretty much admit this admin like to take america to war!?? ... besides - there are loads of reasons to impeach ...
i would say the failure to make this administration accountable is what makes the people pathetic ... the fact that these crooks are still in office and not behind jail is pathetic ...
i think its a shame that a guy that ran for president stood there in front of the House of Representatives last nite for HOURS talking about how the current President should be impeached... yet it doesnt even make the headlines on any of the major news sources in our country...
i think its a shame that a guy that ran for president stood there in front of the House of Representatives last nite for HOURS talking about how the current President should be impeached... yet it doesnt even make the headlines on any of the major news sources in our country...
Go figya.
Honestly, the media is another place where a critical mass of people could make a difference. Demand the information or refuse to watch.
I've been guilty of simply refusing to watch, because it's all fluff to me. However, I haven't taken the time to contact the news organizations (at least not often enough) to demand that the things of my interest be covered.
Anyway - Go Kucinich!!!! I love you man!
Walking can be a real trip
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"We've laid the groundwork. It's like planting the seeds. And next year, it's spring." - Nader
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Prepare for tending to your garden, America.
I'm no lawyer, and certainly no fan of George Bush, but the war wasn't solely his doing. It passed Congress, and it washed with the vast majority of Americans. Not to mention the British and Australian governments, among others. So as much as I'd love to see Bush impeached, that's not something you're gonna pin on him.
It is, however, something to consider when you're voting in a few months - both major parties were, and are, complicit in this war.
so this could be a loophole to get a real actual change over in all the government positions and change up the oligharchy?
Delicious.
My Girlfriend said to me..."How many guitars do you need?" and I replied...."How many pairs of shoes do you need?" She got really quiet.
"House Speaker Nancy Pelosi has repeatedly said she would not support a resolution calling for Bush's impeachment, saying such a move was unlikely to succeed and would be divisive."
Well, Speaker Pelosi, here's a quote for ya:
Work for something because it is good, not just because it stands a chance to succeed. ~ Vaclav Havel
Walking can be a real trip
***********************
"We've laid the groundwork. It's like planting the seeds. And next year, it's spring." - Nader
***********************
Prepare for tending to your garden, America.
"House Speaker Nancy Pelosi has repeatedly said she would not support a resolution calling for Bush's impeachment, saying such a move was unlikely to succeed and would be divisive."
Well, Speaker Pelosi, here's a quote for ya:
Work for something because it is good, not just because it stands a chance to succeed. ~ Vaclav Havel
Excellent quote!! I'm going to share it.
If you want to tell people the truth, make them laugh, otherwise they'll kill you.
Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth.
-Oscar Wilde
Awesome! I needed that quote after today - my first day of petitioning.
Walking can be a real trip
***********************
"We've laid the groundwork. It's like planting the seeds. And next year, it's spring." - Nader
***********************
Prepare for tending to your garden, America.
"House Speaker Nancy Pelosi has repeatedly said she would not support a resolution calling for Bush's impeachment, saying such a move was unlikely to succeed and would be divisive."
Well, Speaker Pelosi, here's a quote for ya:
Work for something because it is good, not just because it stands a chance to succeed. ~ Vaclav Havel
I was just about to comment on that same quote from Pelosi... I'm glad I didn't because your comment is much more pithy than mine would have been.
Everything not forbidden is compulsory and eveything not compulsory is forbidden. You are free... free to do what the government says you can do.
Good and bad, I almost cried. :( But, I also cheered a lot. When I get my thoughts together I may start a thread on the whole petitioning experience.
Telling people you guys had to throw pages of signatures away, because the size of the paper was was wrong got me a few sigs.
Walking can be a real trip
***********************
"We've laid the groundwork. It's like planting the seeds. And next year, it's spring." - Nader
***********************
Prepare for tending to your garden, America.
Good and bad, I almost cried. :( But, I also cheered a lot. When I get my thoughts together I may start a thread on the whole petitioning experience.
Telling people you guys had to throw pages of signatures away, because the size of the paper was was wrong got me a few sigs.
I'm sorry to hear you almost cried. :( Some people can be assholes.
I'm glad to hear our dilemma did some good and actually our state coordinator emailed me today and said we may be able to use those signatures after all.
If you want to tell people the truth, make them laugh, otherwise they'll kill you.
Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth.
-Oscar Wilde
Pelosi is a little complicit in a few illegal things this administration has done so it's not a surprise that "impeachment is off the table." All I can say is GO DENNIS!
I want to point out that people who seem to have no power, whether working people, people of color, or women -- once they organize and protest and create movements -- have a voice no government can suppress. Howard Zinn
Kucinich's Mammoth Case for Impeaching Bush
By Marie Cocco, Washington Post Writers Group
Posted on June 12, 2008,http://www.alternet.org/story/87811/
WASHINGTON -- It is not politically correct to offer a good word about Dennis Kucinich, the elfish, left-leaning congressman from Ohio who regularly runs for president only to drop his quixotic campaigns for the White House so that he might continue representing his working-class district near Cleveland.
Kucinich can be an annoying gnat. He buzzes around the Democratic cloakroom with ideas his party leaders may well agree with in substance -- promoting a single-payer system such as Medicare to deliver universal health insurance, for instance -- but which they refuse to embrace because they believe them to be too politically risky.
Kucinich's latest gambit is his introduction of articles of impeachment against President George W. Bush -- 35 of them, to be exact -- laid out in a five-hour floor speech that was likely heard by no one save the C-SPAN technicians and perhaps a few hundred viewers at home. The charges have no chance of being taken seriously in Congress, where Democratic leaders will dispose of them quickly in a parliamentary move. There is no benefit in throwing the country onto the pyre of partisan flames with Bush set to go quietly away to Crawford, Texas, in just seven more months, they reason. And this is certainly sensible.
Nonetheless, you cannot find a more complete and compelling indictment of the Bush administration than Kucinich has presented in his articles. They range from the exceedingly obvious, such as those detailed in his Article III: "Misleading the American people and members of Congress to believe Iraq possessed weapons of mass destruction, so as to manufacture a false case for war," to the specious, presented in Article XII: "Initiating a war against Iraq for control of that nation's natural resources."
Kucinich gives us a bleak road map through seven years of deceptions and misjudgments, incompetence and malevolence. There are clear constitutional violations -- Article XVII, for example, spells out "Illegal detention: Detaining indefinitely and without charge persons both U.S. citizens and foreign captives." Then there are the torture and abuse of detainees, and the use of secret "black sites" abroad where no one really knows what happened to suspected terrorists once they were sent there.
Being neither a lawyer nor a constitutional scholar, it is impossible for me to tell if the founders had impeachment in mind for some of the malfeasance Kucinich details. In Article XVI, for example, he reviews the tawdry matter of Iraq contracting, an enterprise so sordid it is difficult to keep track of all the allegations and investigations that should have commanded more of our attention. The administration, Kucinich asserts, "recklessly wasted public funds on contracts awarded to close associates, including companies guilty of defrauding the government in the past, contracts awarded without competitive bidding, 'cost-plus' contracts designed to encourage cost overruns and contracts not requiring satisfactory completion of the work." If that weren't enough, those chosen to oversee the contracts in some cases "oversaw their business partners."
The pathologies that Kucinich recounts extend to the administration's persistent myth-making. There is the matter of misrepresenting the death of former football star Pat Tillman, in which a cover-up was launched to hide the truth that Tillman did not meet a heroic end but rather was killed by friendly fire. There is the Jessica Lynch fairy tale, in which the former Army private was said to have been brutalized and the subject of a dramatic rescue, a story that also was fabricated.
Besides Iraq, the war on terror and the warrantless wiretapping of American citizens, Kucinich lays out many other stunning abuses: everything from the effort to keep a Medicare actuary from relaying to Congress accurate cost estimates about a new drug benefit, to the U.S. attorney scandal in which top prosecutors were pushed out of their jobs for their apparent refusal to bring political prosecutions that would please Republicans.
Kucinich does not rant. He relies almost exclusively on the government's own documentation of wrongdoing -- accounts from inspectors general, congressional testimony, and memos that surfaced or were subpoenaed. Some of Kucinich's charges truly outline high crimes; others merely display a blatant disregard for the public. And, politically speaking, they are at this point in time irrelevant.
But if you really want to know "what happened" in the Bush era, take a pass on buying former White House press secretary Scott McClellan's new book. Read Kucinich's articles of impeachment in the Congressional Record -- for free -- instead.
Kucinich's Mammoth Case for Impeaching Bush
By Marie Cocco, Washington Post Writers Group
Posted on June 12, 2008,http://www.alternet.org/story/87811/
....
"Kucinich does not rant. He relies almost exclusively on the government's own documentation of wrongdoing -- accounts from inspectors general, congressional testimony, and memos that surfaced or were subpoenaed. Some of Kucinich's charges truly outline high crimes; others merely display a blatant disregard for the public. And, politically speaking, they are at this point in time irrelevant.
But if you really want to know "what happened" in the Bush era, take a pass on buying former White House press secretary Scott McClellan's new book. Read Kucinich's articles of impeachment in the Congressional Record -- for free -- instead."
I disagree with the writer that at this point Bush's crimes are irrelevant. I believe time is of the essence. We have only so long to make sure he is dishonorably discharged from the presidency. I want this man to leave office with a badge of shame.
Walking can be a real trip
***********************
"We've laid the groundwork. It's like planting the seeds. And next year, it's spring." - Nader
***********************
Prepare for tending to your garden, America.
I disagree with the writer that at this point Bush's crimes are irrelevant. I believe time is of the essence. We have only so long to make sure he is dishonorably discharged from the presidency. I want this man to leave office with a badge of shame.
And if congress/senate have the gall to stand up to the president, to hold him accountable for his crimes...who knows, maybe the next president will think twice.
Comments
A partisan report is never the best evidence.
neither is the state house's official line.
Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth.
-Oscar Wilde
Naw....It's just Bush doing the right thing.
He gave up golf...what more can people demand?
and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
over specific principles, goals, and policies.
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wow. I don't even know what to say.
that made me chuckle.
here's vids of Kucinich if interested...
scroll down
http://rawstory.com/news/2008/Kucinich_presents_Bush_impeachment_articles_0609.html
and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
over specific principles, goals, and policies.
http://i36.tinypic.com/66j31x.jpg
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( o.O)
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a few years ago there was an article, i think from the washington post, about all these cia analysts quitting b/c they said cheney's office pressured them to give them intel they agreed w/
he had a voice that was strong and loud and
i swallowed his facade cos i'm so
eager to identify with
someone above the crowd
someone who seemed to feel the same
someone prepared to lead the way
i would say the failure to make this administration accountable is what makes the people pathetic ... the fact that these crooks are still in office and not behind jail is pathetic ...
no because americans have become sheeppppps bahhhhhhhhhhh bahhhhhhhh bahhhhhhh ....
Go figya.
and still jonesing for another show....
"the waiting drove me mad..."
Sorry, I didn't mean to imply that you'd said that, just giving an example of frivolous spending.
Honestly, the media is another place where a critical mass of people could make a difference. Demand the information or refuse to watch.
I've been guilty of simply refusing to watch, because it's all fluff to me. However, I haven't taken the time to contact the news organizations (at least not often enough) to demand that the things of my interest be covered.
Anyway - Go Kucinich!!!! I love you man!
***********************
"We've laid the groundwork. It's like planting the seeds. And next year, it's spring." - Nader
***********************
Prepare for tending to your garden, America.
...are those who've helped us.
Right 'round the corner could be bigger than ourselves.
so this could be a loophole to get a real actual change over in all the government positions and change up the oligharchy?
Delicious.
We can only hope, right?
yeah, I was just hoping out loud since no one will vote thier bastards out.
Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth.
-Oscar Wilde
From the article:
"House Speaker Nancy Pelosi has repeatedly said she would not support a resolution calling for Bush's impeachment, saying such a move was unlikely to succeed and would be divisive."
Well, Speaker Pelosi, here's a quote for ya:
Work for something because it is good, not just because it stands a chance to succeed. ~ Vaclav Havel
***********************
"We've laid the groundwork. It's like planting the seeds. And next year, it's spring." - Nader
***********************
Prepare for tending to your garden, America.
Excellent quote!! I'm going to share it.
Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth.
-Oscar Wilde
Awesome! I needed that quote after today - my first day of petitioning.
***********************
"We've laid the groundwork. It's like planting the seeds. And next year, it's spring." - Nader
***********************
Prepare for tending to your garden, America.
I was just about to comment on that same quote from Pelosi... I'm glad I didn't because your comment is much more pithy than mine would have been.
And how was it?
Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth.
-Oscar Wilde
Good and bad, I almost cried. :( But, I also cheered a lot.
Telling people you guys had to throw pages of signatures away, because the size of the paper was was wrong got me a few sigs.
***********************
"We've laid the groundwork. It's like planting the seeds. And next year, it's spring." - Nader
***********************
Prepare for tending to your garden, America.
I'm sorry to hear you almost cried. :( Some people can be assholes.
I'm glad to hear our dilemma did some good and actually our state coordinator emailed me today and said we may be able to use those signatures after all.
Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth.
-Oscar Wilde
Some kind of leadership, eh?
Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth.
-Oscar Wilde
Kucinich's Mammoth Case for Impeaching Bush
By Marie Cocco, Washington Post Writers Group
Posted on June 12, 2008,http://www.alternet.org/story/87811/
WASHINGTON -- It is not politically correct to offer a good word about Dennis Kucinich, the elfish, left-leaning congressman from Ohio who regularly runs for president only to drop his quixotic campaigns for the White House so that he might continue representing his working-class district near Cleveland.
Kucinich can be an annoying gnat. He buzzes around the Democratic cloakroom with ideas his party leaders may well agree with in substance -- promoting a single-payer system such as Medicare to deliver universal health insurance, for instance -- but which they refuse to embrace because they believe them to be too politically risky.
Kucinich's latest gambit is his introduction of articles of impeachment against President George W. Bush -- 35 of them, to be exact -- laid out in a five-hour floor speech that was likely heard by no one save the C-SPAN technicians and perhaps a few hundred viewers at home. The charges have no chance of being taken seriously in Congress, where Democratic leaders will dispose of them quickly in a parliamentary move. There is no benefit in throwing the country onto the pyre of partisan flames with Bush set to go quietly away to Crawford, Texas, in just seven more months, they reason. And this is certainly sensible.
Nonetheless, you cannot find a more complete and compelling indictment of the Bush administration than Kucinich has presented in his articles. They range from the exceedingly obvious, such as those detailed in his Article III: "Misleading the American people and members of Congress to believe Iraq possessed weapons of mass destruction, so as to manufacture a false case for war," to the specious, presented in Article XII: "Initiating a war against Iraq for control of that nation's natural resources."
Kucinich gives us a bleak road map through seven years of deceptions and misjudgments, incompetence and malevolence. There are clear constitutional violations -- Article XVII, for example, spells out "Illegal detention: Detaining indefinitely and without charge persons both U.S. citizens and foreign captives." Then there are the torture and abuse of detainees, and the use of secret "black sites" abroad where no one really knows what happened to suspected terrorists once they were sent there.
Being neither a lawyer nor a constitutional scholar, it is impossible for me to tell if the founders had impeachment in mind for some of the malfeasance Kucinich details. In Article XVI, for example, he reviews the tawdry matter of Iraq contracting, an enterprise so sordid it is difficult to keep track of all the allegations and investigations that should have commanded more of our attention. The administration, Kucinich asserts, "recklessly wasted public funds on contracts awarded to close associates, including companies guilty of defrauding the government in the past, contracts awarded without competitive bidding, 'cost-plus' contracts designed to encourage cost overruns and contracts not requiring satisfactory completion of the work." If that weren't enough, those chosen to oversee the contracts in some cases "oversaw their business partners."
The pathologies that Kucinich recounts extend to the administration's persistent myth-making. There is the matter of misrepresenting the death of former football star Pat Tillman, in which a cover-up was launched to hide the truth that Tillman did not meet a heroic end but rather was killed by friendly fire. There is the Jessica Lynch fairy tale, in which the former Army private was said to have been brutalized and the subject of a dramatic rescue, a story that also was fabricated.
Besides Iraq, the war on terror and the warrantless wiretapping of American citizens, Kucinich lays out many other stunning abuses: everything from the effort to keep a Medicare actuary from relaying to Congress accurate cost estimates about a new drug benefit, to the U.S. attorney scandal in which top prosecutors were pushed out of their jobs for their apparent refusal to bring political prosecutions that would please Republicans.
Kucinich does not rant. He relies almost exclusively on the government's own documentation of wrongdoing -- accounts from inspectors general, congressional testimony, and memos that surfaced or were subpoenaed. Some of Kucinich's charges truly outline high crimes; others merely display a blatant disregard for the public. And, politically speaking, they are at this point in time irrelevant.
But if you really want to know "what happened" in the Bush era, take a pass on buying former White House press secretary Scott McClellan's new book. Read Kucinich's articles of impeachment in the Congressional Record -- for free -- instead.
Marie Cocco's e-mail address is mariecocco@washpost.com.
(c) 2008, Washington Post Writers Group
"Obama's main opponent in this election on November 4th (was) not John McCain, it (was) ignorance."~Michael Moore
"i'm feeling kinda righteous right now. with my badass motherfuckin' ukulele!"
~ed, 8/7
Good Article.
I disagree with the writer that at this point Bush's crimes are irrelevant. I believe time is of the essence. We have only so long to make sure he is dishonorably discharged from the presidency. I want this man to leave office with a badge of shame.
***********************
"We've laid the groundwork. It's like planting the seeds. And next year, it's spring." - Nader
***********************
Prepare for tending to your garden, America.
And if congress/senate have the gall to stand up to the president, to hold him accountable for his crimes...who knows, maybe the next president will think twice.