Kucinich calls for Impeachment

Commy
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edited June 2008 in A Moving Train
He's calling for impeachent of GWB on cspan right now.
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  • Abookamongstthemany
    Abookamongstthemany Posts: 8,209
    Go get em, Dennis!!! The rest of those Dems will never have even half the amount of integrity and spirit you have!
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  • SVRDhand13
    SVRDhand13 Posts: 27,016
    Abookamongstthemany wrote:
    Go get em, Dennis!!! The rest of those Dems will never have even half the amount of integrity and spirit you have!

    Hey you stole what I was going to say.

    Impeachment will never happen though.
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  • Abookamongstthemany
    Abookamongstthemany Posts: 8,209
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MWRAJrRV6XI
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  • Abookamongstthemany
    Abookamongstthemany Posts: 8,209
    SVRDhand13 wrote:
    Hey you stole what I was going to say.

    Impeachment will never happen though.


    Only because we the people aren't demanding it.
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  • he still stands
    he still stands Posts: 2,835
    Glad to see someone finally putting this into action. Kucinich, even if you disagree with his policy, has to be viewed as an honest and respectable man.
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  • Rhinocerous Surprise
    Rhinocerous Surprise Posts: 4,423
    Abookamongstthemany wrote:
    Only because we the people aren't demanding it.

    Isn't the general argument "Oh, he's out of office in a few months, what's the point?"

    That's like a bank manager saying "That guy with the gun, and the bags full of money... he'll be outta here in a few minutes. We'll be alright then."

    :p
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  • slightofjeff
    slightofjeff Posts: 7,762
    I think it's more along the lines of you can't impeach someone just because you don't like them, or even because they are colossal fuck-ups.

    You have to prove they broke the law, and in the case of Iraq, that's extremely difficult do -- especially when most of the rest of the world's intelligence agencies were also on board.
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  • he still stands
    he still stands Posts: 2,835
    slightofjeff wrote:
    I think it's more along the lines of you can't impeach someone just because you don't like them, or even because they are colossal fuck-ups.

    You have to prove they broke the law, and in the case of Iraq, that's extremely difficult do -- especially when most of the rest of the world's intelligence agencies were also on board.

    treason, conspiracy to commit murder, murder.

    those are all pretty bad crimes
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  • floyd1975
    floyd1975 Posts: 1,350
    he still stands wrote:
    treason, conspiracy to commit murder, murder.

    those are all pretty bad crimes

    Prove one.
  • Abookamongstthemany
    Abookamongstthemany Posts: 8,209
    slightofjeff wrote:
    I think it's more along the lines of you can't impeach someone just because you don't like them, or even because they are colossal fuck-ups.

    You have to prove they broke the law, and in the case of Iraq, that's extremely difficult do -- especially when most of the rest of the world's intelligence agencies were also on board.



    http://forums.pearljam.com/showpost.php?p=5210838&postcount=15

    http://forums.pearljam.com/showthread.php?t=274009
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  • he still stands
    he still stands Posts: 2,835
    floyd1975 wrote:
    Prove one.

    Treason

    The intelligence was vague, did not prove WMDs existed, and Bush took us to war under false premises. This action caused Al Qaeda to strengthen, it aided our true enemy beyond Bin Laden's wildest hopes and dreams. So yes, George W. is giving aid and comfort to our enemy.

    Conspiracy to commit murder

    A war fought under false pretense, solely George Bush's doing, that has killed over 4000 US troops, who knows how many hundreds of thousands of civilians. Any county in the US that has dead soldiers can file this lawsuit.

    Murder: see conspiracy to commit murder

    I'm no lawyer but I think it's all pretty simple to see.
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  • Rhinocerous Surprise
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    he still stands wrote:
    A war fought under false pretense, solely George Bush's doing, that has killed over 4000 US troops, who knows how many hundreds of thousands of civilians. Any county in the US that has dead soldiers can file this lawsuit.

    Murder: see conspiracy to commit murder

    I'm no lawyer but I think it's all pretty simple to see.

    I'm no lawyer, and certainly no fan of George Bush, but the war wasn't solely his doing. It passed Congress, and it washed with the vast majority of Americans. Not to mention the British and Australian governments, among others. So as much as I'd love to see Bush impeached, that's not something you're gonna pin on him.

    It is, however, something to consider when you're voting in a few months - both major parties were, and are, complicit in this war.
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  • floyd1975
    floyd1975 Posts: 1,350
    he still stands wrote:
    Treason

    The intelligence was vague, did not prove WMDs existed, and Bush took us to war under false premises. This action caused Al Qaeda to strengthen, it aided our true enemy beyond Bin Laden's wildest hopes and dreams. So yes, George W. is giving aid and comfort to our enemy.

    Conspiracy to commit murder

    A war fought under false pretense, solely George Bush's doing, that has killed over 4000 US troops, who knows how many hundreds of thousands of civilians. Any county in the US that has dead soldiers can file this lawsuit.

    Murder: see conspiracy to commit murder

    I'm no lawyer but I think it's all pretty simple to see.

    President Bush, as the Commander in Chief, can wage an action based on intelligence. Much of this intelligence was backed by other countries as well, as has been stated previously in this thread. Going to war, however misguided, would not fit the narrow legal definition of treason.

    Murder and conspiracy to commit murder are just preposterous. The action may have been misguided but he sent a volunteer military, rightly or wrongly, to combat which is within his power as the President.

    Once again, although these actions may not have been morally justifiable to all citizens, none of them truly meet the narrow definitions of the law.
  • he still stands
    he still stands Posts: 2,835
    Rhinocerous Surprise wrote:
    I'm no lawyer, and certainly no fan of George Bush, but the war wasn't solely his doing. It passed Congress, and it washed with the vast majority of Americans. Not to mention the British and Australian governments, among others. So as much as I'd love to see Bush impeached, that's not something you're gonna pin on him.

    It is, however, something to consider when you're voting in a few months - both major parties were, and are, complicit in this war.

    Bush used misinformation and blatant LIES to get support from Congress, US civilians, and Britain/Australia, so I would argue that it is solely his doing.
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  • Medicated-Genius
    Medicated-Genius Posts: 359
    floyd1975 wrote:
    Prove one.


    Isn't that the purpose of impeachment? It's a two step process, impeachment being like an indictment, bringing charges against a government official. The word itself does not imply that a person will be forcibly removed from office, but that they will face trial. If that trial results in conviction, the official is removed.
  • he still stands
    he still stands Posts: 2,835
    floyd1975 wrote:
    President Bush, as the Commander in Chief, can wage an action based on intelligence. Much of this intelligence was backed by other countries as well, as has been stated previously in this thread. Going to war, however misguided, would not fit the narrow legal definition of treason.

    Murder and conspiracy to commit murder are just preposterous. The action may have been misguided but he sent a volunteer military, rightly or wrongly, to combat which is within his power as the President.

    Once again, although these actions may not have been morally justifiable to all citizens, none of them truly meet the narrow definitions of the law.

    Actually other countries, such as France, said that their intelligence DID NOT support going to war. Remember "Freedom Fries?"

    Once again, I do not agree that we had intelligence that supported the need for war to remove WMDs. Our intelligence was "vague at best" and Bush distorted facts to get approval.
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  • Byrnzie
    Byrnzie Posts: 21,037
    Rhinocerous Surprise wrote:
    I'm no lawyer, and certainly no fan of George Bush, but the war wasn't solely his doing. It passed Congress, and it washed with the vast majority of Americans. Not to mention the British and Australian governments, among others. So as much as I'd love to see Bush impeached, that's not something you're gonna pin on him.

    It is, however, something to consider when you're voting in a few months - both major parties were, and are, complicit in this war.

    Somebody needs to be held accountable. Why not start at the top?
  • floyd1975
    floyd1975 Posts: 1,350
    Medicated-Genius wrote:
    Isn't that the purpose of impeachment? It's a two step process, impeachment being like an indictment, bringing charges against a government official. The word itself does not imply that a person will be forcibly removed from office, but that they will face trial. If that trial results in conviction, the official is removed.

    You are correct but frivolous charges are a huge and expensive problem in the judicial system of our country. I would hate to see them become the norm in the legislative branch of our country.
  • Cosmo
    Cosmo Posts: 12,225
    It's too late in the game. The costs of an Impeachment Hearing would be YET another waste of our taxpayer dollars.
    I say we gather the truth of this administration and hold criminal trials if crimes against the American people... or crimes against humanity can be proven.
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  • floyd1975
    floyd1975 Posts: 1,350
    he still stands wrote:
    Actually other countries, such as France, said that their intelligence DID NOT support going to war. Remember "Freedom Fries?"

    Once again, I do not agree that we had intelligence that supported the need for war to remove WMDs. Our intelligence was "vague at best" and Bush distorted facts to get approval.

    France was one country. Britain was another.

    You may not agree that the intelligence supported the need for a military action. You were not elected to make that decision though. George W. Bush was elected to make that decision and he saw it differently from you. He was carrying out the duties of his office, however misguided. He used what may have been faulty intelligence but that does not fit the definition of treason.

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