Msnbc poll is currently showing 89% want Bush impeached

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  • Abookamongstthemany
    Abookamongstthemany Posts: 8,209
    http://www.homelandstupidity.us/2005/12/09/bush-constitution-just-a-goddamned-piece-of-paper/
    If you want to tell people the truth, make them laugh, otherwise they'll kill you.

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  • Commy
    Commy Posts: 4,984
    slightofjeff wrote:
    Say "legal scholars."

    And I'm sure the argument would be, as it was for FDR and other war-time presidents, that the act of being at war expanded the scope of his powers. Wiretapping without a warrant was necessary to protect the homeland, or what not. I'm not saying it's right, but that would be the argument and -- given past wartime precedent -- he'd probably win.

    Don't you think if the Democrats thought they could impeach Bush, someone serious would bring it forward (no offense to Kucinich supporters)? It hasn't gained much traction because it's just too hard to prove.
    yeah, legal scholars, what do they know?
  • Abookamongstthemany
    Abookamongstthemany Posts: 8,209
    slightofjeff wrote:
    Say "legal scholars."

    And I'm sure the argument would be, as it was for FDR and other war-time presidents, that the act of being at war expanded the scope of his powers. Wiretapping without a warrant was necessary to protect the homeland, or what not. I'm not saying it's right, but that would be the argument and -- given past wartime precedent -- he'd probably win.

    Don't you think if the Democrats thought they could impeach Bush, someone serious would bring it forward (no offense to Kucinich supporters)? It hasn't gained much traction because it's just too hard to prove.

    LOL. You think the Democrats are any kind of opposition party? They are as much invested in the war, profitting from it and psying illegally as Bush and the Republicans. It's a perfect means from them to maintain power.

    http://www.princeton.edu/~starr/articles/articles06/Starr-BushConstitution-3-06.htm
    If you want to tell people the truth, make them laugh, otherwise they'll kill you.

    Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth.
    -Oscar Wilde
  • slightofjeff
    slightofjeff Posts: 7,762
    Commy wrote:
    yeah, legal scholars, what do they know?

    Well, according to that story "legal scholars" apparently = some professor at Portland State.

    Who is he? What is his expertise? Does he have an axe to grind? Could he be some liberal egghead looking to make a name for himself? Did George W. Bush give him a wedgie in grade-school, and he's held a grudge ever since?

    If some dude at Portland State claimed I robbed a bank, would I automatically be guilty?

    It would be one thing if it were a federal court or Congress or someone accusing Bush of law-breaking ... but it's some dude in an office in Portland. That was my point about the story (which I've read before). It seems awfully one-sided and poorly sourced.

    Also, a lot of this stuff falls in a gray area that has been disputed between the executive branch and the other branches for decades.
    everybody wants the most they can possibly get
    for the least they could possibly do
  • RolandTD20Kdrummer
    RolandTD20Kdrummer Posts: 13,066
    I wonder if they go by IP address or MAC address. The latter is permanent and unchanging.


    In any event, 30% of all/most societies are psychopaths...which approximately explains Bush's following.
    Progress is not made by everyone joining some new fad,
    and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
    over specific principles, goals, and policies.

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  • slightofjeff
    slightofjeff Posts: 7,762
    Abookamongstthemany wrote:
    LOL. You think the Democrats are any kind of opposition party? They are as much invested in the war, profitting from it and psying illegally as Bush and the Republicans. It's a perfect means from them to maintain power.

    http://www.princeton.edu/~starr/articles/articles06/Starr-BushConstitution-3-06.htm

    It would seem to me impeaching the president would be a good way to gain more power. But what do I know?
    everybody wants the most they can possibly get
    for the least they could possibly do
  • Abookamongstthemany
    Abookamongstthemany Posts: 8,209
    slightofjeff wrote:
    Say "legal scholars."

    And I'm sure the argument would be, as it was for FDR and other war-time presidents, that the act of being at war expanded the scope of his powers. Wiretapping without a warrant was necessary to protect the homeland from some clear and present danger. I'm not saying it's right, but that would be the argument and -- given past wartime precedent -- he'd probably win.

    Don't you think if the Democrats thought they could impeach Bush, someone serious would bring it forward (no offense to Kucinich supporters)? It hasn't gained much traction because it's just too hard to prove.


    Yeah, because the Democrats have been so quick to stop Bush and call him on all the rest of his crap. They go right along with him every time it real counts like giving him the power to go to war, refunding it, the patriot act, supporting the destruction of Lebabon in 06....

    http://forums.pearljam.com/showthread.php?t=281230
    http://forums.pearljam.com/showthread.php?t=280866
    http://forums.pearljam.com/showthread.php?t=280150
    http://forums.pearljam.com/showthread.php?t=279682
    http://forums.pearljam.com/showthread.php?t=278223
    If you want to tell people the truth, make them laugh, otherwise they'll kill you.

    Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth.
    -Oscar Wilde
  • Abookamongstthemany
    Abookamongstthemany Posts: 8,209
    slightofjeff wrote:
    It would seem to me impeaching the president would be a good way to gain more power. But what do I know?


    How so? It doesn't mean he's replaced with a Dem so what do they care? Plus it strips them of those same abuses of power once they take office.
    If you want to tell people the truth, make them laugh, otherwise they'll kill you.

    Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth.
    -Oscar Wilde
  • MattyJoe
    MattyJoe Posts: 1,424
    Impeach Bush? What is wrong with you people? Tell me, what laws has he broken? Hmm??

    Gimme a break.
    I pledge to you a government that will not only work well, but wisely, its ability to act tempered by prudence, and its willingness to do good, balanced by the knowledge that government is never more dangerous than when our desire to have it help us blinds us to its great power to harm us.
    -Reagan
  • RolandTD20Kdrummer
    RolandTD20Kdrummer Posts: 13,066
    MattyJoe wrote:
    Impeach Bush? What is wrong with you people? Tell me, what laws has he broken? Hmm??

    Gimme a break.


    haha there's always one person. Welcome to 2008. Fasten your seatbelt and put your tray table in the upright position.
    Progress is not made by everyone joining some new fad,
    and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
    over specific principles, goals, and policies.

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  • MattyJoe
    MattyJoe Posts: 1,424
    RolandTD20Kdrummer wrote:
    haha there's always one person. Welcome to 2008. Fasten your seatbelt and put your tray table in the upright position.

    I'm not a Bush supporter, I just think it's ridiculous.
    I pledge to you a government that will not only work well, but wisely, its ability to act tempered by prudence, and its willingness to do good, balanced by the knowledge that government is never more dangerous than when our desire to have it help us blinds us to its great power to harm us.
    -Reagan
  • RolandTD20Kdrummer
    RolandTD20Kdrummer Posts: 13,066
    MattyJoe wrote:
    I'm not a Bush supporter, I just think it's ridiculous.


    He lied to start a war for one...or is a blowjob worse?
    Progress is not made by everyone joining some new fad,
    and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
    over specific principles, goals, and policies.

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  • Eliot Rosewater
    Eliot Rosewater Posts: 2,659
    unsung wrote:
    Give it up. A few years ago fine but his term is almost over. Focus on fixing the screwups and say good riddance in January. Besides Cheney pulls the strings anyway, is that what you want President Cheney?
    http://forums.pearljam.com/showpost.php?p=5523481&postcount=7
  • Eliot Rosewater
    Eliot Rosewater Posts: 2,659
    MattyJoe wrote:
    I'm not a Bush supporter, I just think it's ridiculous.
    Really? Ridiculous? Really?

    What about killing 1,000,000 Iraqi civilians? I think THAT'S ridiculous.

    What about torturing innocent people (or anyone for that matter)? I think THAT'S ridiculous.

    What about ILLEGALLY spying on American citizens without the required warrants? I think THAT'S ridiculous.

    What about falsifying "intelligence" reports to persuade congress and the U.S. population to occupy a country that has never attacked the U.S.? I think THAT'S ridiculous.

    That's a pretty good start but there's much more.
  • RolandTD20Kdrummer
    RolandTD20Kdrummer Posts: 13,066
    ...much more...

    If there was ever an impeachable president...this asshole is it!

    ding ding ding....
    Progress is not made by everyone joining some new fad,
    and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
    over specific principles, goals, and policies.

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  • Byrnzie
    Byrnzie Posts: 21,037
    RolandTD20Kdrummer wrote:
    haha there's always one person. Welcome to 2008. Fasten your seatbelt and put your tray table in the upright position.

    :D
  • RolandTD20Kdrummer
    RolandTD20Kdrummer Posts: 13,066
    http://www.dvorak.org/blog/wp-content/uploads/2008/06/051206impeach-bush-poster21.jpg
    http://www.dvorak.org/blog/wp-content/uploads/2008/06/loadimagesspqk61.jpg
    Progress is not made by everyone joining some new fad,
    and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
    over specific principles, goals, and policies.

    http://i36.tinypic.com/66j31x.jpg

    (\__/)
    ( o.O)
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  • MattyJoe
    MattyJoe Posts: 1,424
    Eliot Rosewater wrote:
    What about ILLEGALLY spying on American citizens without the required warrants? I think THAT'S ridiculous.

    The Patriot Act was voted into LAW by Congress (that includes Obama). That means anything contained in it is LEGAL. Whether it's constitutional is another matter, to be decided by the courts. I was never a fan of the prospect of warrant less surveillance but it certainly wasn't ILLEGAL.
    Eliot Rosewater wrote:
    What about killing 1,000,000 Iraqi civilians? I think THAT'S ridiculous.

    All authorized by Congress.

    I will agree that the Iraq situation is a joke. Even if Saddam DID have weapons he STILL posed no threat to us. But I don't know if it can be definitively proven that Bush himself falsified those reports, or even if they were falsified at all. I have a hunch that SOMEONE falsified them or at least did not adequately verify them, but one does not get convicted on hunches.
    RolandTD20Kdrummer wrote:
    ...or is a blowjob worse?

    I resent that.
    I pledge to you a government that will not only work well, but wisely, its ability to act tempered by prudence, and its willingness to do good, balanced by the knowledge that government is never more dangerous than when our desire to have it help us blinds us to its great power to harm us.
    -Reagan
  • flywallyfly
    flywallyfly Posts: 1,453
    RolandTD20Kdrummer wrote:
    ...much more...

    If there was ever an impeachable president...this asshole is it!

    ding ding ding....

    Exactly. If this guy cant be impeached then no one ever will be.
  • searchlightsoul
    searchlightsoul Posts: 583
    Abookamongstthemany wrote:
    Is it worthless because people can vote multiple times? It says you would have to use another computer or internet provider to vote more than once. And that still doesn't change the fact that out of close to 600,000 votes less than 10% of those votes say he shouldn't be impeached and that group could vote more than once too if they went to the extent of using another computer to do do.

    No its worthless because of a well known statistical phenomenon whereby people supporting the proposed statement (in this case impeaching Bush) always vote in greater number than people who disagree with the statement. Even though the proportion of people is actually split 50/50. That why phone in and internet polls like this, reflect more strongly one-sides MOTIVATION to vote than its actual proportion.

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