Msnbc poll is currently showing 89% want Bush impeached

Abookamongstthemany
Abookamongstthemany Posts: 8,209
edited June 2008 in A Moving Train
this is what the people want but only Nader and Kucinich are pushing for it.....way to represent the people you sorry excuse of a Congress!


http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/10562904/
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  • blackredyellow
    blackredyellow Posts: 5,889
    While I'd like to see Bush impeached, it's ummm... a web poll. The results are pretty much worthless.
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  • know1
    know1 Posts: 6,801
    How many times did you vote? ;)
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  • Abookamongstthemany
    Abookamongstthemany Posts: 8,209
    blackredyellow wrote:
    While I'd like to see Bush impeached, it's ummm... a web poll. The results are pretty much worthless.


    Is it worthless because people can vote multiple times? It says you would have to use another computer or internet provider to vote more than once. And that still doesn't change the fact that out of close to 600,000 votes less than 10% of those votes say he shouldn't be impeached and that group could vote more than once too if they went to the extent of using another computer to do do.
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  • ledvedderman
    ledvedderman Posts: 7,762
    Last I checked, the 29% of people who approve of the President probably don't want him impeached. So, 89% is beyond misleading. In reality, I bet the number is somewhere less than 50% of the total population.
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  • ledvedderman
    ledvedderman Posts: 7,762
    Abookamongstthemany wrote:
    And that still doesn't change the fact that out of close to 600,000 votes less than 10% of those votes say he shouldn't be impeached and that group could vote more than once too if they went to the extent of using another computer to do do.

    Seriously though, how many hardcore Bush supporters would ever think about logging onto the ever-so liberal MSNBC?
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  • farfromglorified
    farfromglorified Posts: 5,700
    If Msnbc polling were a valid gauge, Ron Paul would be on a cake-walk to the presidency. Scientific polls show impeachment support at about 30%, I believe. Not a small number, but not majority by any means.
  • Abookamongstthemany
    Abookamongstthemany Posts: 8,209
    ledvedderman wrote:
    Last I checked, the 29% of people who approve of the President probably don't want him impeached. So, 89% is beyond misleading. In reality, I bet the number is somewhere less than 50% of the total population.


    The 29% of the people they asked, you mean. They never asked me.

    I'll bet it's much more than 50%...see how easy that is?

    This is just a sample of people who read msnbc and also the people who found this poll by others passing it along....but out of those people, 89% want Bush impeached.
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  • unsung
    unsung I stopped by on March 7 2024. First time in many years, had to update payment info. Hope all is well. Politicians suck. Bye. Posts: 9,487
    Give it up. A few years ago fine but his term is almost over. Focus on fixing the screwups and say good riddance in January. Besides Cheney pulls the strings anyway, is that what you want President Cheney?
  • ledvedderman
    ledvedderman Posts: 7,762
    Abookamongstthemany wrote:
    The 29% of the people they asked, you mean. They never asked me.

    I'll bet it's much more than 50%...see how easy that is?

    This is just a sample of people who read msnbc and also the people who found this poll by others passing it along....but out of those people, 89% want Bush impeached.

    So, because they don't ask you or I, the polls must be rigged? If the national percentage of people who want Bush impeached is over 50%, I would be amazed. Hell, out of the Democrats I know, I bet it is only 3/5 who want to see him get impeached.
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  • blackredyellow
    blackredyellow Posts: 5,889
    Abookamongstthemany wrote:
    Is it worthless because people can vote multiple times?

    Yes
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  • farfromglorified
    farfromglorified Posts: 5,700
    As someone who does this kind of stuff for a living, please take online polls with a grain of salt. Online polls suffer from two distinct problems that make their data nearly meaninless:

    1) There is nothing to ensure a 1:1 ratio between individuals and responses.
    2) The very nature of an online poll creates a skewed sample (internet users interested in your story, as opposed to a broad cross-section of the population).
  • Abookamongstthemany
    Abookamongstthemany Posts: 8,209
    blackredyellow wrote:
    Yes


    As I already said, they would have to go to the extent of using another computer and internet provider....I'm guessing most people aren't going to do that.
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  • farfromglorified
    farfromglorified Posts: 5,700
    Abookamongstthemany wrote:
    As I already said, they would have to go to the extent of using another computer and internet provider....I'm guessing most people aren't going to do that.

    No -- they simply have to clear their cookies.
  • Abookamongstthemany
    Abookamongstthemany Posts: 8,209
    farfromglorified wrote:
    If Msnbc polling were a valid gauge, Ron Paul would be on a cake-walk to the presidency. Scientific polls show impeachment support at about 30%, I believe. Not a small number, but not majority by any means.


    Link, please
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  • Abookamongstthemany
    Abookamongstthemany Posts: 8,209
    farfromglorified wrote:
    No -- they simply have to clear their cookies.

    I'm only going by what their site says:

    "And while Live Votes are designed to allow only one vote per user, someone who wants to vote more than once can use another computer or another Internet account."

    http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/3704453/
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  • farfromglorified
    farfromglorified Posts: 5,700
    Abookamongstthemany wrote:
    Link, please

    Here's a CNN poll from 2006:

    http://www.pollingreport.com/bush.htm

    "Based on what you have read or heard, do you believe that President Bush should be impeached and removed from office, or don't you feel that way?"

    Should Be 30%
    Should Not Be 69%
    Unsure 1%

    Not sure if a more recent one has been done.
  • Abookamongstthemany
    Abookamongstthemany Posts: 8,209
    farfromglorified wrote:
    Here's a CNN poll from 2006:

    http://www.pollingreport.com/bush.htm

    "Based on what you have read or heard, do you believe that President Bush should be impeached and removed from office, or don't you feel that way?"

    Should Be 30%
    Should Not Be 69%
    Unsure 1%

    Not sure if a more recent one has been done.

    Nothing more recent?
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  • farfromglorified
    farfromglorified Posts: 5,700
    Abookamongstthemany wrote:
    I'm only going by what their site says:

    "And while Live Votes are designed to allow only one vote per user, someone who wants to vote more than once can use another computer or another Internet account."

    http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/3704453/

    Most online polls simply rely on cookies to see if a user has voted. While it is feasible to only allow a single vote from an ip address, polls that utilize such a scheme would only allow a single or handful of votes from many of this country's largest organizations. For instance, if you work in an office of 500 people, a poll that enforced a 1:1 ratio between votes and ip addresses would only allow one vote from your entire office. And that creates its own set of problems.
  • farfromglorified
    farfromglorified Posts: 5,700
    Abookamongstthemany wrote:
    Nothing more recent?

    There's this:

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Movement_to_impeach_George_W._Bush#2007_polls

    Not sure how valid those polls are, but none of their numbers approach 89%.
  • Abookamongstthemany
    Abookamongstthemany Posts: 8,209
    farfromglorified wrote:
    There's this:

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Movement_to_impeach_George_W._Bush#2007_polls

    Not sure how valid those polls are, but none of their numbers approach 89%.


    :D

    "MoveOn has not officially taken up the cause for Bush/Cheney impeachment; however, they have quietly initiated an online survey entitled "Dealing with the Administration". Ironically, MoveOn's reluctance to act more forcefully has led to yet another online petition, "It's Time for MoveOn to Start Talking about Impeachment", endorsed by Noam Chomsky and Howard Zinn, with more than 2,500 additional signatures."
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