Interesting article. Are you trying to equate money and happiness? Money and physical security?
Abook, I love you and all but I think you need to focus and understand the role you think money has in life, and more importantly in love and happiness.
If love is a labour, I'll be it's slave.
“One good thing about music,
when it hits you, you feel to pain.
So brutalize me with music.”
~ Bob Marley
Yeah, the best use of resources if you're one of the lucky ones....doesn't seem to much like the best system for those going without. It's just not working for me when I see so many impoverished throughout the world...but if you feel this is the best it can get..that's on you, don't expect me to agree. Most of the world's wealth is owned by a small percentage while a huge, huge number have shit...oh yeah, the best!
You are mixing up two things, the use of resources and the distribution of wealth. It's been proven emperically that the capital economic system makes the most efficient use of reources. This has been proven time and time again. Howver it's not very good at distributing wealth. The distribution of wealth is where governments step in. If governments are failing at this, which I believe they are, it's not the fault of the capital economic system. It's governments fault, and that responsibility and accountability ultimately falls on you and me.
“One good thing about music,
when it hits you, you feel to pain.
So brutalize me with music.”
~ Bob Marley
You are mixing up two things, the use of resources and the distribution of wealth. It's been proven emperically that the capital economic system makes the most efficient use of reources. This has been proven time and time again. Howver it's not very good at distributing wealth. The distribution of wealth is where governments step in. If governments are failing at this, which I believe they are, it's not the fault of the capital economic system. It's governments fault, and that responsibility and accountability ultimately falls on you and me.
It's also the fault of individuals who make the decisions of what country to exploit for it's resources and low cost labor. There's more than enough wealth to completely end poverty but it's still alive and well. As long as decisions are based on profit and profit alone...we will continue to see this huge inequality. And we all know who has bought out the government...so yes, capitalism has major flaws and it's very evident.
If you want to tell people the truth, make them laugh, otherwise they'll kill you.
Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth.
-Oscar Wilde
Interesting article. Are you trying to equate money and happiness? Money and physical security?
Abook, I love you and all but I think you need to focus and understand the role you think money has in life, and more importantly in love and happiness.
If love is a labour, I'll be it's slave.
It's hard to be happy when you're dying from things that can easily be prevented. It's also hard to keep on smiling while you put your children to bed at night with no food in their bellies.
If you want to tell people the truth, make them laugh, otherwise they'll kill you.
Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth.
-Oscar Wilde
What makes you think Speedy doesn't do this already through charitable donations? It's not hard to believe that the capitalistic system makes the best use of resources (proven over and over again) and still believe in a distribution of income via taxes and charitable donations. It's not a hard concept, it baffles me that so many on this board don't get it. It's not an either or proposition.
Yeah, the best use of resources if you're one of the lucky ones..doesn't seem to much like the best system for those going without. It's just not working for me when I see so many impoverished throughout the world...but if you feel this is the best it can get..that's on you, don't expect me to agree. Most of the world's wealth is owned by a small percentage while a huge, huge number have shit...oh yeah, the best!
I was born with nothing. very lower middle class. I have worked very hard to get where I am today. i wasnt standing around with my hand out and dont expect to be handed anything.
I was born with nothing. very lower middle class. I have worked very hard to get where I am today. i wasnt standing around with my hand out and dont expect to be handed anything.
Good for you. Too bad everyone doesn't find the success you have in life. That must be the answer to why so many live in poverty...they're just standing around with their hand out. :rolleyes:
If you want to tell people the truth, make them laugh, otherwise they'll kill you.
Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth.
-Oscar Wilde
Good for you. Too bad everyone doesn't find the success you have in life. That must be the answer to why so many live in poverty...they're just standing around with their hand out. :rolleyes:
I only found success because I worked hard for it. laziness shouldnt be rewarded
You are mixing up two things, the use of resources and the distribution of wealth. It's been proven emperically that the capital economic system makes the most efficient use of reources. This has been proven time and time again. Howver it's not very good at distributing wealth. The distribution of wealth is where governments step in. If governments are failing at this, which I believe they are, it's not the fault of the capital economic system. It's governments fault, and that responsibility and accountability ultimately falls on you and me.
IN about 1983 or something a LAbor (sicialist style) govermnmet was elected, adn one of their key aims was to reduce the polarization of wealth. By the end of about 10 years of them, polarization of wealth was way worse. What they did basically was wipe out the middle class, and decimate small business, mainly through cracking down on tax claims. They forgot that the money which was being spent as tax deductions was still being re-cycled through the economy, giving jobs and being spent.
They tried to make eveyone rich, but that can't happen, so they made everyone poor instead.
What really matters is not that there are rich individuals, which is anathema to socialist systems, but where the mean lies.
Equality is not much good if it means everyone has the same nothing !!
Good for you. Too bad everyone doesn't find the success you have in life. That must be the answer to why so many live in poverty...they're just standing around with their hand out. :rolleyes:
I think what he is saying is that when you give people stuff, that is all they will ever have.
When you give too much welfare ( and I stress "too much), and ask for nothing in return, you make people poor, not wealthy. They do not learn how to provide for themselves.
IN about 1983 or something a LAbor (sicialist style) govermnmet was elected, adn one of their key aims was to reduce the polarization of wealth. By the end of about 10 years of them, polarization of wealth was way worse. What they did basically was wipe out the middle class, and decimate small business, mainly through cracking down on tax claims. They forgot that the money which was being spent as tax deductions was still being re-cycled through the economy, giving jobs and being spent.
They tried to make eveyone rich, but that can't happen, so they made everyone poor instead.
What really matters is not that there are rich individuals, which is anathema to socialist systems, but where the mean lies.
Equality is not much good if it means everyone has the same nothing !!
simple math will tell you that when you divide something large by something smaller it doesn't disappear.
If you want to tell people the truth, make them laugh, otherwise they'll kill you.
Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth.
-Oscar Wilde
I think what he is saying is that when you give people stuff, that is all they will ever have.
When you give too much welfare ( and I stress "too much), and ask for nothing in return, you make people poor, not wealthy. They do not learn how to provide for themselves.
that must be it...people must just decide to be impoverished because they didn't feel like eating, having proper healthcare or having a home. They're just so unmotivated! rarely do people's circumstances fit this simple reasoning.
If you want to tell people the truth, make them laugh, otherwise they'll kill you.
Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth.
-Oscar Wilde
that must be it...people must just decide to be impoverished because they didn't feel like eating, having proper healthcare or having a home. They're just so unmotivated! rarely do people's circumstances fit this simple reasoning.
Again, you are completely turning around what is being said. I don't think either of us are trying to compare what happens in developing countries to what happens in Oz or the US.
It is still true however, that giving stuff is no more than a short term solution. These aid programmes have been going on for decades, and the problem is still there.
Stable government, no war, land care and husbandry, irrigation programmes etc are required to produce long term improvementss.
While the leaders in these places are more interested in spending money on armies, all the donations in the world will make little difference.
Again, you are completely turning around what is being said. I don't think either of us are trying to compare what happens in developing countries to what happens in Oz or the US.
It is still true however, that giving stuff is no more than a short term solution. These aid programmes have been going on for decades, and the problem is still there.
Stable government, no war, land care and husbandry, irrigation programmes etc are required to produce long term improvementss.
While the leaders in these places are more interested in spending money on armies, all the donations in the world will make little difference.
i could type out a huge responce.
but i will pass on doing so.(keeping it short)
for example, i read this up above.
"These aid programmes have been going on for decades, and the problem is still there".
decades is so small of a time period when it comes to helping out
a huge vast continent filled with strife, poverty, disease,
plague epidemics, misery, uneducated, civil war, corruption,
all this and more X's many, many, millions of ppl.
good luck with your (putting a time limit/budget on) helping the recovery
of the less-fortunate weaker people we share this Earth, this life with.
decades is so small of a time period when it comes to helping out
a huge vast continent filled with strife, poverty, disease,
plague epidemics, misery, uneducated, civil war, corruption,
all this and more X's many, many, millions of ppl.
good luck with your (putting a time limit/budget on) helping the recovery
of the less-fortunate weaker people we share this Earth, this life with.
So basically, when it comes to helping people we shouldn't concern ourselves with efficiency or effectiveness? As long as we're doing something we're good to go! Woohoo.
"I'll use the magic word - let's just shut the fuck up, please." EV, 04/13/08
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Abook, I love you and all but I think you need to focus and understand the role you think money has in life, and more importantly in love and happiness.
If love is a labour, I'll be it's slave.
when it hits you, you feel to pain.
So brutalize me with music.”
~ Bob Marley
when it hits you, you feel to pain.
So brutalize me with music.”
~ Bob Marley
It's also the fault of individuals who make the decisions of what country to exploit for it's resources and low cost labor. There's more than enough wealth to completely end poverty but it's still alive and well. As long as decisions are based on profit and profit alone...we will continue to see this huge inequality. And we all know who has bought out the government...so yes, capitalism has major flaws and it's very evident.
Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth.
-Oscar Wilde
It's hard to be happy when you're dying from things that can easily be prevented. It's also hard to keep on smiling while you put your children to bed at night with no food in their bellies.
Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth.
-Oscar Wilde
A milk-out-the-nose moment. Good lord, that's corny.
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I was born with nothing. very lower middle class. I have worked very hard to get where I am today. i wasnt standing around with my hand out and dont expect to be handed anything.
Good for you. Too bad everyone doesn't find the success you have in life. That must be the answer to why so many live in poverty...they're just standing around with their hand out. :rolleyes:
Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth.
-Oscar Wilde
I only found success because I worked hard for it. laziness shouldnt be rewarded
its called welfare and food stamps.....
Till there aint nothing left worth taking away from me.....
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Grab the crisco and find me some fat chicks.
Freedom is Slavery
Ignorance is Strength
IN about 1983 or something a LAbor (sicialist style) govermnmet was elected, adn one of their key aims was to reduce the polarization of wealth. By the end of about 10 years of them, polarization of wealth was way worse. What they did basically was wipe out the middle class, and decimate small business, mainly through cracking down on tax claims. They forgot that the money which was being spent as tax deductions was still being re-cycled through the economy, giving jobs and being spent.
They tried to make eveyone rich, but that can't happen, so they made everyone poor instead.
What really matters is not that there are rich individuals, which is anathema to socialist systems, but where the mean lies.
Equality is not much good if it means everyone has the same nothing !!
I think what he is saying is that when you give people stuff, that is all they will ever have.
When you give too much welfare ( and I stress "too much), and ask for nothing in return, you make people poor, not wealthy. They do not learn how to provide for themselves.
simple math will tell you that when you divide something large by something smaller it doesn't disappear.
Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth.
-Oscar Wilde
that must be it...people must just decide to be impoverished because they didn't feel like eating, having proper healthcare or having a home. They're just so unmotivated! rarely do people's circumstances fit this simple reasoning.
Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth.
-Oscar Wilde
Again, you are completely turning around what is being said. I don't think either of us are trying to compare what happens in developing countries to what happens in Oz or the US.
It is still true however, that giving stuff is no more than a short term solution. These aid programmes have been going on for decades, and the problem is still there.
Stable government, no war, land care and husbandry, irrigation programmes etc are required to produce long term improvementss.
While the leaders in these places are more interested in spending money on armies, all the donations in the world will make little difference.
can we leave your girlfriend out of this please
i could type out a huge responce.
but i will pass on doing so.(keeping it short)
for example, i read this up above.
"These aid programmes have been going on for decades, and the problem is still there".
decades is so small of a time period when it comes to helping out
a huge vast continent filled with strife, poverty, disease,
plague epidemics, misery, uneducated, civil war, corruption,
all this and more X's many, many, millions of ppl.
good luck with your (putting a time limit/budget on) helping the recovery
of the less-fortunate weaker people we share this Earth, this life with.
"Hear me, my chiefs!
I am tired; my heart is
sick and sad. From where
the sun stands I will fight
no more forever."
Chief Joseph - Nez Perce
It's your mom and dad, silly. From what i hear you might want to date one of these girls after your girlfriend dumped you like she did. LOL.
Freedom is Slavery
Ignorance is Strength
So basically, when it comes to helping people we shouldn't concern ourselves with efficiency or effectiveness? As long as we're doing something we're good to go! Woohoo.
Two tons of fun!
Oh my God.