I understand where you are going with this but you cant have it both ways. you cant pick and choose who you punish to suit your needs.
Well, I have health care and I'm educated so it certainly isn't to suit MY needs.
If the golden rule were incorporated here then you tell me the end result, jlew. Surely the wealthy would be more compassionate and willing to help those less fortunate when they put themselves in their shoes. So what's your beef with the golden rule?
If the golden rule were incorporated here then you tell me the end result, jlew. Surely the wealthy would be more compassionate and willing to help those less fortunate when they put themselves in their shoes. So what's your beef with the golden rule?
How would the golden rule be incorporated, and what does it have to say about force?
"I'll use the magic word - let's just shut the fuck up, please." EV, 04/13/08
How would the golden rule be incorporated, and what does it have to say about force?
I wasn't saying by force. I'm just saying, if we step back and imagine how it would be if it were applied. If everyone treated others as they'd like to be treated.
edit: Will anyone argue that we should be working towards that?
I wasn't saying by force. I'm just saying, if we step back and imagine how it would be if it were applied. If everyone treated others as they'd like to be treated.
edit: Will anyone argue that we should be working towards that?
you should come back down to reality. in your world, you would give me 100 bucks if I asked for it. will you?
But it's the golden rule ... if you want others to give you $100 when you need it, you must also want to give $100 to others when they need it, right?
Then are the poor people receiving free health care going to bust their asses to provide me with free health care years from now. Or will the large majority be happy with what they have and the handouts they receive and never take on the burden of responsibility of providing for others.
“One good thing about music,
when it hits you, you feel to pain.
So brutalize me with music.”
~ Bob Marley
Then are the poor people receiving free health care going to bust their asses to provide me with free health care years from now. Or will the large majority be happy with what they have and the handouts they receive and never take on the burden of responsibility of providing for others.
Man, can't people be happy with just giving and knowing it's helping out a whole lot of families that dearly need it? I don't really mind that some of them will take advantage of the system. There's always somebody taking advantage of every system. It's makes me feel good to know that it will be helping out plenty of good people who will greatly appreciate it.
If you want to tell people the truth, make them laugh, otherwise they'll kill you.
Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth.
-Oscar Wilde
Man, can't people be happy with just giving and knowing it's helping out a whole lot of families that dearly need it? I don't really mind that some of them will take advantage of the system. There's always somebody taking advantage of every system. It's makes me feel good to know that it will be helping out plenty of good people who will greatly appreciate it.
Thank you!
"Nothing in the world is more dangerous than sincere ignorance and conscientious stupidity." ~ MLK, 1963
Man, can't people be happy with just giving and knowing it's helping out a whole lot of families that dearly need it? I don't really mind that some of them will take advantage of the system. There's always somebody taking advantage of every system. It's makes me feel good to know that it will be helping out plenty of good people who will greatly appreciate it.
I'm happy to give and don't cheat on my taxes or participate in the underground economy. But some posters were mentioning how this applies to the golden rule and i was just, rather harshly, pointing out that it doesn't. The golden rule places a responsibility on both parties, our current set up places all responsibility on the rich while chastising them for being rich in the first place.
“One good thing about music,
when it hits you, you feel to pain.
So brutalize me with music.”
~ Bob Marley
I'm happy to give and don't cheat on my taxes or participate in the underground economy. But some posters were mentioning how this applies to the golden rule and i was just, rather harshly, pointing out that it doesn't. The golden rule places a responsibility on both parties, our current set up places all responsibility on the rich while chastising them for being rich in the first place.
It's not so much chastising the rich as it is being aware that as humans we need to help each other out. When you've got more than you could ever spend and others are going without the bare neccessities...it's time you try to make life a little easier on the less fortunate.
If you want to tell people the truth, make them laugh, otherwise they'll kill you.
Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth.
-Oscar Wilde
It's not so much chastising the rich as it is being aware that as humans we need to help each other out. When you've got more than you could ever spend and others are going without the bare neccessities...it's time you try to make life a little easier on the less fortunate.
It's not so much chastising the rich as it is being aware that as humans we need to help each other out. When you've got more than you could ever spend and others are going without the bare neccessities...it's time you try to make life a little easier on the less fortunate.
So paying taxes isn't enough in your books. You think you have some sort of moral responsibility to tell others how to live. If you think this is the right thing to do with "excess" moeny then why don't you bust your asss to make more "excess" and be a shining example to the world.
“One good thing about music,
when it hits you, you feel to pain.
So brutalize me with music.”
~ Bob Marley
So paying taxes isn't enough in your books. You think you have some sort of moral responsibility to tell others how to live. If you think this is the right thing to do with "excess" moeny then why don't you bust your asss to make more "excess" and be a shining example to the world.
Most of these people know shit about busting their ass.
and we all tell people how to live to a certain extent...it's called laws. And I just don't think it's right to be so well off and leave other members of society to suffer.
If you want to tell people the truth, make them laugh, otherwise they'll kill you.
Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth.
-Oscar Wilde
Man, can't people be happy with just giving and knowing it's helping out a whole lot of families that dearly need it?
It's funny to read this because I was just talking about something similar myself.
I'm going to a fundraiser tomorrow night for Jazz for Youth. Last year, they had an impressive open auction... people were paying thousands of dollars for jewelry, bottles of wine and cruises in Spain. In the middle of the hoopla, an item came up and not a single person bid on it, the room was completely silent (until my husband raised his number and bid/won at the last second. )
It was to feed 150 kids every day for a week before their summer camp.
I realize that in the end, all of the money goes to the same Charity... I just thought it was odd that no one wanted to give their money and not get something physical in return. It's like a 'good feeling' wasn't enough....
Man, can't people be happy with just giving and knowing it's helping out a whole lot of families that dearly need it? I don't really mind that some of them will take advantage of the system. There's always somebody taking advantage of every system. It's makes me feel good to know that it will be helping out plenty of good people who will greatly appreciate it.
I don't want to wake up everyday and go to work, start my own business, innovate, and bust my ass to accomplish my goals just to have to turn it around and give it all to someone who is too lazy to do it themselves. yea thats right, those are the people you claim who "take advantage of the system". sorry I dont have a sign on my head that says jackass.
I get much happiness by helping others with my money. But I would like to choose who gets my financial help. and not be forced to do so.
It's not so much chastising the rich as it is being aware that as humans we need to help each other out. When you've got more than you could ever spend and others are going without the bare neccessities...it's time you try to make life a little easier on the less fortunate.
I could be wrong but I think that if you took the world's wealthiest people and made them give up 1/2 of it, it would barely put a dent in what you'd like to see accomplished overall. If they divided their wealth among the world's poorest, how far would it go? and for how long? is that enough money to change everyone forever?
I don't want to wake up everyday and go to work, start my own business, innovate, and bust my ass to accomplish my goals just to have to turn it around and give it all to someone who is too lazy to do it themselves. yea thats right, those are the people you claim who "take advantage of the system". sorry I dont have a sign on my head that says jackass.
I get much happiness by helping others with my money. But I would like to choose who gets my financial help. and not be forced to do so.
There's just too many that are going with out. I'm not overly worried about someone getting over on me...in the grand scheme of things it's just not as important to me as all people having access to healthcare. They need something they can be sure of, that's stable not just hope that people are feeling charitable this month. I wish I wasn't forced to pay for the amount I do in defense but others claim we need it.
If you want to tell people the truth, make them laugh, otherwise they'll kill you.
Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth.
-Oscar Wilde
I could be wrong but I think that if you took the world's wealthiest people and made them give up 1/2 of it, it would barely put a dent in what you'd like to see accomplished overall. If they divided their wealth among the world's poorest, how far would it go? and for how long? is that enough money to change everyone forever?
And as I pointed out, everything in the world will have a spectrum described by a bell curve.
All that original pic is , is the extremes of the curve.
If "normal" can be defined as within 2 or 3 standad deviations from the mean, both those kids clearly lie beyond that at either end, but sadly, you actually must have those extremes for the whole system to exist. It is inescapable !! To pretend otherwise is to try to re-define the Universe. (Fuck, I sound like ahnimus now)
It's also true that any individual's worst enemy is another member of it's own species. Nothing else competes quite as precisely for the resources you need and have access to.
Is that a bad thing? To sound like me. Very wise statements Lucy.
I necessarily have the passion for writing this, and you have the passion for condemning me; both of us are equally fools, equally the toys of destiny. Your nature is to do harm, mine is to love truth, and to make it public in spite of you. - Voltaire
you should share your paychecks with your neighbors.....
speedy mcgreedy.....
What makes you think Speedy doesn't do this already through charitable donations? It's not hard to believe that the capitalistic system makes the best use of resources (proven over and over again) and still believe in a distribution of income via taxes and charitable donations. It's not a hard concept, it baffles me that so many on this board don't get it. It's not an either or proposition.
“One good thing about music,
when it hits you, you feel to pain.
So brutalize me with music.”
~ Bob Marley
What makes you think Speedy doesn't do this already through charitable donations? It's not hard to believe that the capitalistic system makes the best use of resources (proven over and over again) and still believe in a distribution of income via taxes and charitable donations. It's not a hard concept, it baffles me that so many on this board don't get it. It's not an either or proposition.
Yeah, the best use of resources if you're one of the lucky ones....doesn't seem to much like the best system for those going without. It's just not working for me when I see so many impoverished throughout the world...but if you feel this is the best it can get..that's on you, don't expect me to agree. Most of the world's wealth is owned by a small percentage while a huge, huge number have shit...oh yeah, the best!
If you want to tell people the truth, make them laugh, otherwise they'll kill you.
Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth.
-Oscar Wilde
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If the golden rule were incorporated here then you tell me the end result, jlew. Surely the wealthy would be more compassionate and willing to help those less fortunate when they put themselves in their shoes. So what's your beef with the golden rule?
How would the golden rule be incorporated, and what does it have to say about force?
edit: Will anyone argue that we should be working towards that?
you should come back down to reality. in your world, you would give me 100 bucks if I asked for it. will you?
no i'm saying I want you to give me $100.
when it hits you, you feel to pain.
So brutalize me with music.”
~ Bob Marley
Man, can't people be happy with just giving and knowing it's helping out a whole lot of families that dearly need it? I don't really mind that some of them will take advantage of the system. There's always somebody taking advantage of every system. It's makes me feel good to know that it will be helping out plenty of good people who will greatly appreciate it.
Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth.
-Oscar Wilde
when it hits you, you feel to pain.
So brutalize me with music.”
~ Bob Marley
It's not so much chastising the rich as it is being aware that as humans we need to help each other out. When you've got more than you could ever spend and others are going without the bare neccessities...it's time you try to make life a little easier on the less fortunate.
Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth.
-Oscar Wilde
simple as that.
amen.
"Hear me, my chiefs!
I am tired; my heart is
sick and sad. From where
the sun stands I will fight
no more forever."
Chief Joseph - Nez Perce
when it hits you, you feel to pain.
So brutalize me with music.”
~ Bob Marley
Most of these people know shit about busting their ass.
and we all tell people how to live to a certain extent...it's called laws. And I just don't think it's right to be so well off and leave other members of society to suffer.
Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth.
-Oscar Wilde
It's funny to read this because I was just talking about something similar myself.
I'm going to a fundraiser tomorrow night for Jazz for Youth. Last year, they had an impressive open auction... people were paying thousands of dollars for jewelry, bottles of wine and cruises in Spain. In the middle of the hoopla, an item came up and not a single person bid on it, the room was completely silent (until my husband raised his number and bid/won at the last second.
It was to feed 150 kids every day for a week before their summer camp.
I realize that in the end, all of the money goes to the same Charity... I just thought it was odd that no one wanted to give their money and not get something physical in return. It's like a 'good feeling' wasn't enough....
I don't want to wake up everyday and go to work, start my own business, innovate, and bust my ass to accomplish my goals just to have to turn it around and give it all to someone who is too lazy to do it themselves. yea thats right, those are the people you claim who "take advantage of the system". sorry I dont have a sign on my head that says jackass.
I get much happiness by helping others with my money. But I would like to choose who gets my financial help. and not be forced to do so.
I could be wrong but I think that if you took the world's wealthiest people and made them give up 1/2 of it, it would barely put a dent in what you'd like to see accomplished overall. If they divided their wealth among the world's poorest, how far would it go? and for how long? is that enough money to change everyone forever?
There's just too many that are going with out. I'm not overly worried about someone getting over on me...in the grand scheme of things it's just not as important to me as all people having access to healthcare. They need something they can be sure of, that's stable not just hope that people are feeling charitable this month. I wish I wasn't forced to pay for the amount I do in defense but others claim we need it.
Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth.
-Oscar Wilde
http://www.commondreams.org/headlines06/1222-04.htm
Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth.
-Oscar Wilde
Is that a bad thing? To sound like me. Very wise statements Lucy.
Nah, I was just taking the piss out of myself for the hell of it.
Where you been, on vacation ??
Actually there's an old joke about that...
Where's your bin ?
I bin in jail.
No mate, where's your wheelie bin ??
Yeah bloke, I really bin in jail !!
i hope you applied the appropriate accent when you posted that lucy. or not
take a good look
this could be the day
hold my hand
lie beside me
i just need to say
Sounds pretty scary to me.
i especially like when i read how we would be better off living as communists......
just FUCKING RIDICULOUS........
Till there aint nothing left worth taking away from me.....
thats cuz you dont care about your fellow man....
you should share your paychecks with your neighbors.....
speedy mcgreedy.....
when it hits you, you feel to pain.
So brutalize me with music.”
~ Bob Marley
Freedom is Slavery
Ignorance is Strength
Yeah, the best use of resources if you're one of the lucky ones....doesn't seem to much like the best system for those going without. It's just not working for me when I see so many impoverished throughout the world...but if you feel this is the best it can get..that's on you, don't expect me to agree. Most of the world's wealth is owned by a small percentage while a huge, huge number have shit...oh yeah, the best!
Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth.
-Oscar Wilde
http://www.worldsocialism.org/articles/who_owns_the_world.php
Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth.
-Oscar Wilde