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Mother Teresa's Crisis of Faith

deadnothingbetterdeadnothingbetter Posts: 2,202
edited August 2007 in A Moving Train
interesting read. thought some might be interested.

http://www.time.com/time/world/article/0,8599,1655415-1,00.html
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  • gue_bariumgue_barium Posts: 5,515
    "Jesus has a very special love for you," she assured Van der Peet. "[But] as for me, the silence and the emptiness is so great, that I look and do not see, — Listen and do not hear — the tongue moves [in prayer] but does not speak ... I want you to pray for me — that I let Him have [a] free hand."

    One or the other: Masturbation denial, or masturbation burnout.
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  • deadnothingbetterdeadnothingbetter Posts: 2,202
    gue_barium wrote:
    One or the other: Masturbation denial, or masturbation burnout.
    you're a dick
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  • CollinCollin Posts: 4,931
    I'm going to read this on Tuesday.
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  • gue_bariumgue_barium Posts: 5,515
    deadnothingbetter wrote:
    you're a dick


    No, I'm human. Sorry I can't help you out with a Dick.
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  • barakabaraka Posts: 1,268
    deadnothingbetter wrote:
    interesting read. thought some might be interested.

    http://www.time.com/time/world/article/0,8599,1655415-1,00.html

    I first heard of this the other night while watching a CNN special titled, 'God's Warriors'. http://www.cnn.com/SPECIALS/2007/gods.warriors/

    There is an encore of it this weekend and recommend it. It was very interesting. I only caught part of the 'Muslim warriors', but saw the 'Christian Warriors' in its entirety. Did anyone else see this and if so, what was their opinion of it?
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    but the illusion of knowledge.
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  • deadnothingbetterdeadnothingbetter Posts: 2,202
    gue_barium wrote:
    No, I'm human. Sorry I can't help you out with a Dick.
    No. I mean, dick as in a nincompoop. Another adjective to describe the attributes of a fellow human. ;)
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  • deadnothingbetterdeadnothingbetter Posts: 2,202
    baraka wrote:
    I first heard of this the other night while watching a CNN special titled, 'God's Warriors'. http://www.cnn.com/SPECIALS/2007/gods.warriors/

    There is an encore of it this weekend and recommend it. It was very interesting. I only caught part of the 'Muslim warriors', but saw the 'Christian Warriors' in its entirety. Did anyone else see this and if so, what was their opinion of it?
    i never saw it, or heard of it, so i can't have an opinion of it. sadly, the computer i'm on can't play videos so i'll have to watch the link you provided when i get home.
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  • gue_bariumgue_barium Posts: 5,515
    deadnothingbetter wrote:
    No. I mean, dick as in a nincompoop. Another adjective to describe the attributes of a fellow human. ;)

    Well, I'm honest. If that makes me a nincompoop in your eyes, that's too bad for you.

    How do we know the quote wasn't in a language she shared with her "spiritual confidant" that she needed his loving? Kind of like saying, "I miss your hand down there." It seems like he may have returned the message if her rejuvenation at the Nobel ceremony is any indication.
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  • deadnothingbetterdeadnothingbetter Posts: 2,202
    gue_barium wrote:
    Well, I'm honest. If that makes me a nincompoop in your eyes, that's too bad for you.

    How do we know the quote wasn't in a language she shared with her "spiritual confidant" that she needed his loving? Kind of like saying, "I miss your hand down there." It seems like he may have returned the message if her rejuvenation at the Nobel ceremony is any indication.
    culo! j/k
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  • gue_bariumgue_barium Posts: 5,515
    deadnothingbetter wrote:
    culo!

    ????

    I've heard of coolio.
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  • deadnothingbetterdeadnothingbetter Posts: 2,202
    gue_barium wrote:
    ????

    I've heard of coolio.
    two words: spanish dictionary
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  • gue_bariumgue_barium Posts: 5,515
    deadnothingbetter wrote:
    two words: spanish dictionary

    I think you spelled it wrong.

    In any case, have respect for Mother Theresa, the human. You started the thread afterall.
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  • deadnothingbetterdeadnothingbetter Posts: 2,202
    gue_barium wrote:
    I think you spelled it wrong.

    In any case, have respect for Mother Theresa, the human. You started the thread afterall.
    :confused: I am.
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  • gue_bariumgue_barium Posts: 5,515
    I mention innocent sexuality.
    You bring up dicks, nincompoops, and spanish assholes.

    Who has the problem here?
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  • deadnothingbetterdeadnothingbetter Posts: 2,202
    gue_barium wrote:
    I mention innocent sexuality.
    You bring up dicks, nincompoops, and spanish assholes.

    Who has the problem here?
    can't anybody take a joke? i'm just messin with you dude... geez... i thought you were playing along too
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  • gue_bariumgue_barium Posts: 5,515
    deadnothingbetter wrote:
    can't anybody take a joke? i'm just messin with you dude... geez... i thought you were playing along too

    You're messin with me?

    I honestly don't see how that could/would/should be possible.
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  • deadnothingbetterdeadnothingbetter Posts: 2,202
    gue_barium wrote:
    You're messin with me?

    I honestly don't see how that could/would/should be possible.
    "messing" as in "joking" "bullshitting" whatever.... nevermind.
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  • CollinCollin Posts: 4,931
    I'm sorry if I go off topic here by not calling names or anything and just address the actual topic.


    I just read it (I said I'd wait till now because I prefer reading it in print than on a computer screen) and I must say it's an interesting article to say the least.

    It seems to me that Time deliberately stays away from more agnostic and atheistic points of view on her crisis of faith, though. But maybe that's because they follow the direction of the book. The book sounds really interesting as well and I think I'll pick it up one day.

    I've read and have seen a lot of stuff about Mother Teresa being a fraud, that she didn't care about the dying at all (or that she didn't care about relieving them of their pain) and the she didn't use the donated money wisely or effectively. Perhaps the lack of god in her life came through in her actions i.e. her carelessness.

    People said she was obsessed with suffering and these letters seem to confirm this.

    Also watch this: http://nl.youtube.com/watch?v=8q1m-8npkJ4
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  • cornnifercornnifer Posts: 2,130
    i havn't read the article posted here, but i did read one in my local paper. Personally, i think all these letters prove is that even the most devout of faith, at times, struggle with that faith. Its human and natural. It doesn't prove anything other than that. i also read that she had requested that these letters be destroyed. Instead, they publish them. i think its pathetic. Ignore her wishes in an effort to make a buck and seek to discredit one of the finest human beings to ever live. Sad. Shameful, in fact.
    "When all your friends and sedatives mean well but make it worse... better find yourself a place to level out."
  • sweetpotatosweetpotato Posts: 1,278
    based on personal experience, i don't think you can call faith your own until you've questioned it. otherwise it's just inherited, which is the opposite of earned.
    "Ladies and gentlemen, the President of the United States, Barack Obama."

    "Obama's main opponent in this election on November 4th (was) not John McCain, it (was) ignorance."~Michael Moore

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  • cornnifercornnifer Posts: 2,130
    sweetpotato wrote:
    based on personal experience, i don't think you can call faith your own until you've questioned it. otherwise it's just inherited, which is the opposite of earned.

    exactly. In most cases, when those with faith go through valleys in that faith, when they struggle with it, when they question it, they usually emerge with faith stronger than ever before, and its much more "real".



    If anyone deserves respect, from even the most faithless, for God's sake it is Mother Theresa! Leave her alone.
    "When all your friends and sedatives mean well but make it worse... better find yourself a place to level out."
  • gue_bariumgue_barium Posts: 5,515
    cornnifer wrote:
    exactly. In most cases, when those with faith go through valleys in that faith, when they struggle with it, when they question it, they usually emerge with faith stronger than ever before, and its much more "real".



    If anyone deserves respect, from even the most faithless, for God's sake it is Mother Theresa! Leave her alone.

    If you have faith in yourself then why oh why do you have to hide behind "God," "Mother Theresa," and Sweetpotato in a post proclaiming to acknowledge "real" "faith"?

    I think you're full of shit.

    You dont know what Mother Theresa's faith was. It was hers alone. What she shared was what she knew and cared to share of her own humanity.
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  • sweetpotatosweetpotato Posts: 1,278
    gue_barium wrote:
    If you have faith in yourself then why oh why do you have to hide behind "God," "Mother Theresa," and Sweetpotato in a post proclaiming to acknowledge "real" "faith"?

    I think you're full of shit.

    You dont know what Mother Theresa's faith was. It was hers alone. What she shared was what she knew and cared to share of her own humanity.


    it's all just opinions. we're not the ones who will be judging her saintliness, the vatican will.
    "Ladies and gentlemen, the President of the United States, Barack Obama."

    "Obama's main opponent in this election on November 4th (was) not John McCain, it (was) ignorance."~Michael Moore

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  • gue_bariumgue_barium Posts: 5,515
    sweetpotato wrote:
    it's all just opinions. we're not the ones who will be judging her saintliness, the vatican will.

    Um, I think you judge that for yourself. Whatever the fuck "saintliness" is.
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  • sweetpotatosweetpotato Posts: 1,278
    gue_barium wrote:
    Um, I think you judge that for yourself. Whatever the fuck "saintliness" is.

    knucklehead, i'm referring to what all the hoopla is about. they're questioning whether the vatican will beatify her or not. no need to be crude. if you don't understand something, just ask. i'm not catholic, but some of this is more or less common knowledge, isn't it?
    "Ladies and gentlemen, the President of the United States, Barack Obama."

    "Obama's main opponent in this election on November 4th (was) not John McCain, it (was) ignorance."~Michael Moore

    "i'm feeling kinda righteous right now. with my badass motherfuckin' ukulele!"
    ~ed, 8/7
  • CollinCollin Posts: 4,931
    cornnifer wrote:
    i also read that she had requested that these letters be destroyed. Instead, they publish them. i think its pathetic. Ignore her wishes in an effort to make a buck and seek to discredit one of the finest human beings to ever live. Sad. Shameful, in fact.

    I don't think they want to discredit her but use her as an example of faith. This is from the Time article:
    Mother Teresa, quoted in Time wrote:
    If I ever become a Saint — I will surely be one of 'darkness.' I will continually be absent from Heaven — to [light] the light of those in darkness on earth
    time wrote:
    Teresa considered the perceived absence of God in her life as her most shameful secret but eventually learned that it could be seen as a gift abetting her calling. If her worries about publicizing it also turn out to be misplaced — if a book of hasty, troubled notes turns out to ease the spiritual road of thousands of fellow believers, there would be no shame in having been wrong — but happily, even wonderfully wrong — twice.
    cornnifer wrote:
    If anyone deserves respect, from even the most faithless, for God's sake it is Mother Theresa! Leave her alone.

    Why exactly? I've read and seen quite a few things that deserve very little respect. Watch the link I provided, I know it's not much proof of anything because they show only 5 minutes of edited stuff but as I said from what I've read she doesn't seems like a saint to me, literally or figuratively.
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  • cornnifercornnifer Posts: 2,130
    gue_barium wrote:
    If you have faith in yourself then why oh why do you have to hide behind "God," "Mother Theresa," and Sweetpotato in a post proclaiming to acknowledge "real" "faith"?

    I think you're full of shit.

    You dont know what Mother Theresa's faith was. It was hers alone. What she shared was what she knew and cared to share of her own humanity.

    ??????

    Not hiding behind anything or anyone. i seriously don't get this one. Oh well.
    "When all your friends and sedatives mean well but make it worse... better find yourself a place to level out."
  • gue_bariumgue_barium Posts: 5,515
    cornnifer wrote:
    ??????

    Not hiding behind anything or anyone. i seriously don't get this one. Oh well.

    Your statement comes across as offensively, to me, as a teen ne'er-do-well who thinks he's got an answer, yet knows nothing.
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  • cornnifercornnifer Posts: 2,130
    gue_barium wrote:
    If you have faith in yourself then why oh why do you have to hide behind "God," "Mother Theresa," and Sweetpotato in a post proclaiming to acknowledge "real" "faith"?

    I think you're full of shit.

    You dont know what Mother Theresa's faith was. It was hers alone. What she shared was what she knew and cared to share of her own humanity.

    It doesn't matter what the faith is. It was never the point. Point is, regardless of what you have faith in, when you reclaim it, after struggling with it, it will likely be stronger than before. Don't see how anything i said could be offensive to you or anyone else.
    "When all your friends and sedatives mean well but make it worse... better find yourself a place to level out."
  • sweetpotatosweetpotato Posts: 1,278
    sweetpotato wrote:
    knucklehead, i'm referring to what all the hoopla is about. they're questioning whether the vatican will beatify her or not. no need to be crude. if you don't understand something, just ask. i'm not catholic, but some of this is more or less common knowledge, isn't it?

    sorry, i meant to say "canonize". she was beatified by John Paul II.
    "Ladies and gentlemen, the President of the United States, Barack Obama."

    "Obama's main opponent in this election on November 4th (was) not John McCain, it (was) ignorance."~Michael Moore

    "i'm feeling kinda righteous right now. with my badass motherfuckin' ukulele!"
    ~ed, 8/7
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