I'm not sure. Possibly, if the voting outcome is vastly different than all the pre and exit polls.
so because obama is ahead in the polls right now, if mccain wins then it's because the country is full of racists? honest question, not being a jerk about it. that's what i got from your response.
I disagree. Although ignorance still exists, things have changed enough that people will vote for Obama, and he'll win.
Not sure I agree....
There are a lot of jerkoffs out there and it just isn't against the blacks...
My father had to put up with bullshit during the late 70's because of the Iran Hostage deal and I have put up with racist crap since 9/11
The thing is that I am sure you can tell by my name... that I am Indian... but to the ignorant eye I am a Arab...
Also I am convincied that we are still a very racist country and we keep it quiet due to being politically correct.
I have dealt with far too many people in my life that have been nice to me to my face and have called me a sand nigger behind my back...
Sorry just my two cents...
I hope that I a wrong and my experiences don't reflect the reality of our country
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Racism is WAAAAAY more ignorant and therefore looked down on more.
Also, I never called her any of those names. So, I would appreciate it if you wouldn't interject what you think i was doing.
I gave you the opportunity to say that calling her a cunt was wrong as well, but you only gave a reason why people were calling her a cunt. Basically justifiying it. In two posts now you haven't even said it is wrong that she is called a cunt. Meanwhile, most of us conservatives agree that the N word is despicable.
But seriously, again, when presented with a post that said slurs like cunt should not be used, you justified the individuals using it with the very reason that the idiots were using the N word.
So racial slurs trump everything? I guess the feminists in the movement will let gender based slurs slide since they are being used against a woman with conservative views. I wonder how a Republican saying off camera that Hilary was an opportunistic cunt would fair with the feminist crowd?
Edit: I'm just arguing right now while it is legal for me to argue a conservative argument. I realize that the religion of Obama is a freight train that has left the station. When voting is done by emotion and not policy, you can't argue it.
so because obama is ahead in the polls right now, if mccain wins then it's because the country is full of racists? honest question, not being a jerk about it. that's what i got from your response.
No, I said if the voting outcome is vastly different than the pre and exit polls. I don't know how much more clear I can be about that.
If the polls (both pre and exit polls) are close come election day, that is one thing. It could be anyone's game. But, if the polls (again, both pre and exit polls) are heavily favored in Obama's side, and McCain wins, then yes, I would feel that the "Bradley Effect" had a huge play and therefore, my previous statement would be true in my opinion. Otherwise, why wouldn't people have been more honest with the pollsters?
I gave you the opportunity to say that calling her a cunt was wrong as well, but you only gave a reason why people were calling her a cunt. Basically justifiying it. In two posts now you haven't even said it is wrong that she is called a cunt. Meanwhile, most of us conservatives agree that the N word is despicable.
But seriously, again, when presented with a post that said slurs like cunt should not be used, you justified the individuals using it with the very reason that the idiots were using the N word.
So racial slurs trump everything? I guess the feminists in the movement will let gender based slurs slide since they are being used against a woman with conservative views. I wonder how a Republican saying off camera that Hilary was an opportunistic cunt would fair with the feminist crowd?
Is calling a woman a cunt worse than calling a guy a prick or an asshole? I don't think it is. Since when has cunt had a feminist bent? In my opinion, it's just a little more harsh word for when "bitch" just isn't enough. Speaking on behalf of the art of the English language.
Also, I personally haven't witnessed anyone calling her that name. So, I got nothing to defend as I haven't been witness to it. You given me the opportunity? Huh, I am not running for president and I didn't call her that name. So, I am not sure what you are looking for. I already said that it is not very nice. What more do you want from me man? No, calling a person a cunt is not equal to calling someone a niger.
Is calling a woman a cunt worse than calling a guy a prick or an asshole? I don't think it is. Since when has cunt had a feminist bent? In my opinion, it's just a little more harsh word for when "bitch" just isn't enough. Speaking on behalf of the art of the English language.
Also, I personally haven't witnessed anyone calling her that name. So, I got nothing to defend as I haven't been witness to it. You given me the opportunity? Huh, I am not running for president and I didn't call her that name. So, I am not sure what you are looking for. I already said that it is not very nice. What more do you want from me man? No, calling a person a cunt is not equal to calling someone a niger.
I don't think it is so much the word said but the hate that backs it up. In each scenario there is plenty of hate going around.
No, I said if the voting outcome is vastly different than the pre and exit polls. I don't know how much more clear I can be about that.
If the polls (both pre and exit polls) are close come election day, that is one thing. It could be anyone's game. But, if the polls (again, both pre and exit polls) are heavily favored in Obama's side, and McCain wins, then yes, I would feel that the "Bradley Effect" had a huge play and therefore, my previous statement would be true in my opinion. Otherwise, why wouldn't people have been more honest with the pollsters?
ok, i think i see what you're saying. all i hope is that if mccain wins, it doesn't turn into a whole racial thing. i'm not saying there aren't people out there that vote based solely on skin color, but i'd like to believe there aren't enough out there to sway the results of the election one way or the other. personally, i thought it was going to be a very tight race. until powell endorsed obama. i think that was the final nail in mccain's coffin.
So racial slurs trump everything? I guess the feminists in the movement will let gender based slurs slide since they are being used against a woman with conservative views. I wonder how a Republican saying off camera that Hilary was an opportunistic cunt would fair with the feminist crowd?
While insults against women are reprehensible, there aren't cells of extremist misogynists forming and arming themselves with a view towards planning massacres at girls' schools en route to further outrages.
I don't think it is so much the word said but the hate that backs it up. In each scenario there is plenty of hate going around.
I agree hate is a bad thing. But, you didn't answer my question. Cunt is a harsh word, but does it have different meaning from the word bitch or asshole? I don't think it does. Those words do not signify your hatred for entire race or population of people. Just your hate for that one individual. But racial slurs cover an entire "race" of people. Hence why they are so much worse.
so because obama is ahead in the polls right now, if mccain wins then it's because the country is full of racists? honest question, not being a jerk about it. that's what i got from your response.
Well, people theorize that the undecideds will vote for the white guy simply because he's white.
There's no way to really know what goes through people's minds. I still can't figure out why you're a republican.
Is calling a woman a cunt worse than calling a guy a prick or an asshole? I don't think it is. Since when has cunt had a feminist bent? In my opinion, it's just a little more harsh word for when "bitch" just isn't enough. Speaking on behalf of the art of the English language.
Also, I personally haven't witnessed anyone calling her that name. So, I got nothing to defend as I haven't been witness to it. You given me the opportunity? Huh, I am not running for president and I didn't call her that name. So, I am not sure what you are looking for. I already said that it is not very nice. What more do you want from me man? No, calling a person a cunt is not equal to calling someone a niger.
there was a picture posted here a few weeks ago of a group of 4 or 5 people attending an obama rally with "sarah palin is a cunt" in giant black lettering on their shirts. just letting you know that it has happened.
I agree hate is a bad thing. But, you didn't answer my question. Cunt is a harsh word, but does it have different meaning from the word bitch or asshole? I don't think it does. Those words do not signify your hatred for entire race or population of people. Just your hate for that one individual. But racial slurs cover an entire "race" of people. Hence why they are so much worse.
Look at who your talking to, do you really think they want to acknowledge the difference?
Well, people theorize that the undecideds will vote for the white guy simply because he's white.
There's no way to really know what goes through people's minds. I still can't figure out why you're a republican.
i'm sure that's true, but you can't deny that there's probably black people that haven't voted before that will vote this time around because of the color of obama's skin.
and jesus christ, thanks for outing me! you have any idea how long i've gone without publicly posting my political status here? fuckin' liberal really though, even though i'm a registered republican, i still have no idea how i'm voting in this election. i think i said over at bannergy that i was going to write in jeb bush, but it didn't get any response.
I'm gonna have to defend Palin and say it's not quite clear what the woman shouted... and when you're giving a speech, you can be lost in your own train of thought and not really hear a random scream. I honestly don't think she stumbled because she heard and understood what the person yelled... it seemed like a normal 'breath-catcher' to me.
However, I have to get a dig in against her and say her rhetoric is total bullshit, and I think she's smart enough to know that it is.
i'm sure that's true, but you can't deny that there's probably black people that haven't voted before that will vote this time around because of the color of obama's skin.
and jesus christ, thanks for outing me! you have any idea how long i've gone without publicly posting my political status here? fuckin' liberal really though, even though i'm a registered republican, i still have no idea how i'm voting in this election. i think i said over at bannergy that i was going to write in jeb bush, but it didn't get any response.
lol! Sorry.
Yeah, I'm sure that's true about some black people getting involved with this election because Obama is black, but that's a population that traditionally skews democratic, anyway. The major difference this time is that maybe they suddenly feel compelled to participate because after centuries of marginalization, they suddenly feel inspired and hopeful about their future. I don't feel that's the same thing as a white guy voting for a white guy because he's a white guy, you know what I mean?
I'm surprised to hear you're still undecided, actually! What's holding you back from making the decision?
I agree hate is a bad thing. But, you didn't answer my question. Cunt is a harsh word, but does it have different meaning from the word bitch or asshole? I don't think it does. Those words do not signify your hatred for entire race or population of people. Just your hate for that one individual. But racial slurs cover an entire "race" of people. Hence why they are so much worse.
I just view cunt as a very harsh term for a woman that most women would find very offensive. It is also specific to her as a woman, and not as a person. Obviously it does not have hundreds of years of history like the N word.
Yeah, I'm sure that's true about some black people getting involved with this election because Obama is black, but that's a population that traditionally skews democratic, anyway. The major difference this time is that maybe they suddenly feel compelled to participate because after centuries of marginalization, they suddenly feel inspired and hopeful about their future. I don't feel that's the same thing as a white guy voting for a white guy because he's a white guy, you know what I mean?
I'm surprised to hear you're still undecided, actually! What's holding you back from making the decision?
yeah, i get you and i agree...........to an extent
what's holding me back? well, i hate black people and women
I'm gonna have to defend Palin and say it's not quite clear what the woman shouted... and when you're giving a speech, you can be lost in your own train of thought and not really hear a random scream. I honestly don't think she stumbled because she heard and understood what the person yelled... it seemed like a normal 'breath-catcher' to me.
However, I have to get a dig in against her and say her rhetoric is total bullshit, and I think she's smart enough to know that it is.
Indeed. What if the person didn't say the N word and then Palin thinking she heard it started ripping into the crowd? Then she looks like an idiot again. She can't win.
I just view cunt as a very harsh term for a woman that most women would find very offensive. It is also specific to her as a woman, and not as a person. Obviously it does not have hundreds of years of history like the N word.
Y'all know that there has already been a huge thread about this very question, right? (Except I think it was bitch instead of cunt.) I'm not trying to say you shouldn't continue your discussion here, but you sound like you might be interested in the other thread.
Andrew Sullivan has also been posting about this today. I guess after further listening they say she yelled "Redistributor" and I hear that now, too.
Plus, that makes perfect sense given the context of what Palin is saying.
I mean, we already know that at least half of McCain/Palin's supporters are racist. Let's not carry out a witch hunt when we already see them flying around on brooms.
Y'all know that there has already been a huge thread about this very question, right? (Except I think it was bitch instead of cunt.) I'm not trying to say you shouldn't continue your discussion here, but you sound like you might be interested in the other thread.
I think this is an appropriate thread to speak out in, given the false outrage presented in this thread.
lmao! Yeah, I always knew there was a bigot hiding under your nice guy exterior.
Well, Obama is part white. Go with him.
actually you should know me well enough by now to know i hate everyone equally. as dwight shrute said once "There's too many people, we need a new plague." (first time lisa and i heard that line, she looked at me and said "holy shit, that's you!")
honestly though, i really don't think i'll know who i'm voting for until i pull the curtain and flip the switch. hell, it might be "heads obama, tails mccain" in the booth.
It is also specific to her as a woman, and not as a person.
It is specific to her as a woman, just as the word asshole or dick is specific to a man. Besides that, it doesn't imply a hatred towards all woman, just like asshole or dick is not indicative of a hatred of all men. Hence, not as all encompassing as a racial slur.
It is specific to her as a woman, just as the word asshole or dick is specific to a man. Besides that, it doesn't imply a hatred towards all woman, just like asshole or dick is not indicative of a hatred of all men. Hence, not as all encompassing as a racial slur.
i have to disagree with "asshole" being a mens only term. i've called some women assholes in my life.
honestly though, i really don't think i'll know who i'm voting for until i pull the curtain and flip the switch. hell, it might be "heads obama, tails mccain" in the booth.
How can you honestly not know who you support? Do you not know how you personally feel about really serious issues? It is not as though the candidates are so close on fundamental issues that it would be a tough decision.
How the hell could you not know who you are supporting?
How can you honestly not know who you support? Do you not know how you personally feel about really serious issues? It is not as though the candidates are so close on fundamental issues that it would be a tough decision.
How the hell could you not know who you are supporting?
there's enough from both candidates that i'm not crazy about.
i don't like your tone. you have a problem with me?
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so because obama is ahead in the polls right now, if mccain wins then it's because the country is full of racists? honest question, not being a jerk about it. that's what i got from your response.
~D.K.S.
Not sure I agree....
There are a lot of jerkoffs out there and it just isn't against the blacks...
My father had to put up with bullshit during the late 70's because of the Iran Hostage deal and I have put up with racist crap since 9/11
The thing is that I am sure you can tell by my name... that I am Indian... but to the ignorant eye I am a Arab...
Also I am convincied that we are still a very racist country and we keep it quiet due to being politically correct.
I have dealt with far too many people in my life that have been nice to me to my face and have called me a sand nigger behind my back...
Sorry just my two cents...
I hope that I a wrong and my experiences don't reflect the reality of our country
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I gave you the opportunity to say that calling her a cunt was wrong as well, but you only gave a reason why people were calling her a cunt. Basically justifiying it. In two posts now you haven't even said it is wrong that she is called a cunt. Meanwhile, most of us conservatives agree that the N word is despicable.
But seriously, again, when presented with a post that said slurs like cunt should not be used, you justified the individuals using it with the very reason that the idiots were using the N word.
So racial slurs trump everything? I guess the feminists in the movement will let gender based slurs slide since they are being used against a woman with conservative views. I wonder how a Republican saying off camera that Hilary was an opportunistic cunt would fair with the feminist crowd?
Edit: I'm just arguing right now while it is legal for me to argue a conservative argument. I realize that the religion of Obama is a freight train that has left the station. When voting is done by emotion and not policy, you can't argue it.
If the polls (both pre and exit polls) are close come election day, that is one thing. It could be anyone's game. But, if the polls (again, both pre and exit polls) are heavily favored in Obama's side, and McCain wins, then yes, I would feel that the "Bradley Effect" had a huge play and therefore, my previous statement would be true in my opinion. Otherwise, why wouldn't people have been more honest with the pollsters?
Also, I personally haven't witnessed anyone calling her that name. So, I got nothing to defend as I haven't been witness to it. You given me the opportunity? Huh, I am not running for president and I didn't call her that name. So, I am not sure what you are looking for. I already said that it is not very nice. What more do you want from me man? No, calling a person a cunt is not equal to calling someone a niger.
I don't think it is so much the word said but the hate that backs it up. In each scenario there is plenty of hate going around.
ok, i think i see what you're saying. all i hope is that if mccain wins, it doesn't turn into a whole racial thing. i'm not saying there aren't people out there that vote based solely on skin color, but i'd like to believe there aren't enough out there to sway the results of the election one way or the other. personally, i thought it was going to be a very tight race. until powell endorsed obama. i think that was the final nail in mccain's coffin.
~D.K.S.
While insults against women are reprehensible, there aren't cells of extremist misogynists forming and arming themselves with a view towards planning massacres at girls' schools en route to further outrages.
Well, people theorize that the undecideds will vote for the white guy simply because he's white.
There's no way to really know what goes through people's minds. I still can't figure out why you're a republican.
there was a picture posted here a few weeks ago of a group of 4 or 5 people attending an obama rally with "sarah palin is a cunt" in giant black lettering on their shirts. just letting you know that it has happened.
~D.K.S.
Look at who your talking to, do you really think they want to acknowledge the difference?
i'm sure that's true, but you can't deny that there's probably black people that haven't voted before that will vote this time around because of the color of obama's skin.
and jesus christ, thanks for outing me! you have any idea how long i've gone without publicly posting my political status here? fuckin' liberal
~D.K.S.
However, I have to get a dig in against her and say her rhetoric is total bullshit, and I think she's smart enough to know that it is.
lol! Sorry.
Yeah, I'm sure that's true about some black people getting involved with this election because Obama is black, but that's a population that traditionally skews democratic, anyway. The major difference this time is that maybe they suddenly feel compelled to participate because after centuries of marginalization, they suddenly feel inspired and hopeful about their future. I don't feel that's the same thing as a white guy voting for a white guy because he's a white guy, you know what I mean?
I'm surprised to hear you're still undecided, actually! What's holding you back from making the decision?
I just view cunt as a very harsh term for a woman that most women would find very offensive. It is also specific to her as a woman, and not as a person. Obviously it does not have hundreds of years of history like the N word.
yeah, i get you and i agree...........to an extent
what's holding me back? well, i hate black people and women
~D.K.S.
Indeed. What if the person didn't say the N word and then Palin thinking she heard it started ripping into the crowd? Then she looks like an idiot again. She can't win.
lmao!
Well, Obama is part white. Go with him.
Y'all know that there has already been a huge thread about this very question, right? (Except I think it was bitch instead of cunt.) I'm not trying to say you shouldn't continue your discussion here, but you sound like you might be interested in the other thread.
Plus, that makes perfect sense given the context of what Palin is saying.
I mean, we already know that at least half of McCain/Palin's supporters are racist. Let's not carry out a witch hunt when we already see them flying around on brooms.
I think this is an appropriate thread to speak out in, given the false outrage presented in this thread.
actually you should know me well enough by now to know i hate everyone equally. as dwight shrute said once "There's too many people, we need a new plague." (first time lisa and i heard that line, she looked at me and said "holy shit, that's you!")
honestly though, i really don't think i'll know who i'm voting for until i pull the curtain and flip the switch. hell, it might be "heads obama, tails mccain" in the booth.
~D.K.S.
i have to disagree with "asshole" being a mens only term. i've called some women assholes in my life.
~D.K.S.
Examples?
How the hell could you not know who you are supporting?
there's enough from both candidates that i'm not crazy about.
i don't like your tone. you have a problem with me?
~D.K.S.