First, two countries who are destroying each other are not "Enlightened" or "Enlightening". They are the opposite of that. Furthermore, "worldism" is not a default, meaning that it cannot grow out of the simple destruction of nationalism.
Bush certainly states that "freedom will always prevail" and he contradicts this by his violence and war. But contradiction and nationalism are not the same thing.
The world or "we" will not become more enlightened. Some will, some will not. Conflicts will arise from that. The world will never adopt the words of Paine as a whole until people simply stop rejecting each others' will with force. That goes for George Bush v. terrorists, and it goes for you v. George Bush.
A doctrine of "worldism" will still dictate that an individual is subservient to his neighbor, therefore placing his will in opposition to his neighbor's. All you're doing is expanding the influence of that subservience and making it stronger. In other words, you're suggesting that we lighten the load by adding a ton of bricks.
"Worldism" is not the answer to the ills of nationalism. Individualism, on the other hand, is. Societies that put the will of their members above the fantasy-will of their collective are the ones that will no longer suffer the injustices of nationalism.
it was Locke who said.. A minority Rebelling is A rebellion against the People. A rebellion against the Authority means the authorty has betrayed the trust installed in them by the people.
and also, an enlightening country can still war and have flaws. Its a long process.
Individualism and Worldism are in hand in hand i believe.
wait is there actually such thing as WOrldism already?
it was Locke who said.. A minority Rebelling is A rebellion against the People. A rebellion against the Authority means the authorty has betrayed the trust installed in them by the people.
and also, an enlightening country can still war and have flaws. Its a long process.
Individualism and Worldism are in hand in hand i believe.
wait is there actually such thing as WOrldism already?
Individualism and Worldism are not hand in hand if Worldism prescribes conformity to a specific set of ideals that subjugates a man to his neighbors.
The "long process" you speak of is one that eliminates wars, not one that suffers them.
There is such a thing as worldism. Its capital is at 760 United Nations Plaza in New York.
Individualism and Worldism are not hand in hand if Worldism prescribes conformity to a specific set of ideals that subjugates a man to his neighbors.
The "long process" you speak of is one that eliminates wars, not one that suffers them.
There is such a thing as worldism. Its capital is at 760 United Nations Plaza in New York.
than disregard my posts on worldism..lol ... i created this 4 days ago..didnt know the name was taken...what im talking about will be called 'the macgyver way' or something
''he that would make his own liberty free, must guard even his enemy from opressions, failure to do this, sets a precedent that will reach to himself''
ahhh Chavez...quite the humanitarian he is...poor citizens but filthy rich gov't. I guess a billion a month or so in oil revenue isn't enough to do something for his country besides by weapons.
yea socialism!!!!!
as compared to what this administration <or most of them, really> do for the ppl?
not apologizing or building chavez up, just saying we don't have much room to talk when we constantly cut social spending while dumping trillions on needless wars and when trillions just end up missing
standin above the crowd
he had a voice that was strong and loud and
i swallowed his facade cos i'm so
eager to identify with
someone above the crowd
someone who seemed to feel the same
someone prepared to lead the way
' To end the rot, he declared, "a bomb should be put in the Palace of Justice." '
wow, that's pretty hardcore!
'Chávez has lavished government largesse on a plethora of welfare programs mostly devoid of parliamentary oversight or any other supervision. Not surprisingly, vast sums of money have stuck to the wrong hands, and most polls show that corruption now ranks among the top three concerns of ordinary citizens. "Only 18 percent of voters think the government is resolving the issue," '
'Mindful of the parallels that critics can draw to the kleptocracy that preceded his ascent, Chávez has OK'd a few high-profile investigations led by a congressional audit commission. He personally has not set the most inspiring of examples; several family members occupy choice government posts. '
let's hope no hurricanes hit
'despite a 50 percent increase in farm credits issued by Fondafa last year, the number of hectares planted nationwide rose by a paltry 1.4 percent, according to official figures. Investigators are fingering corrupt bureaucrats in cahoots with rural business interests, who have allegedly channeled Fondafa credits into phantom agricultural cooperatives. As a result, food imports have soared to record levels. '
that sounds kinda familiar, like how the major agro-businesses get a majority of the aid here
'a multimillion-dollar influx of new agricultural credits. Instead of going to local farmers, many of the new loans wound up in the bank accounts of unscrupulous landowners, who formed bogus cooperatives by collecting signatures and personal data from Zaraza residents in exchange for a $2,000 payoff. Among the willing volunteers were some of the town's prostitutes......Estimates of the sums stolen from Fondafa hover in the $65 million range. '
i was going to ask if there was a possible way that maybe he was just unaware of how bad it was but, then...
Venezuela: Court Orders Trial of Civil Society Leaders
Venezuela: Curbs on Free Expression Tightened<'stifle press criticism of government authorities and restrict the public’s ability to monitor government actions'>
Venezuela: Chávez Allies Pack Supreme Court <wow, bush only got 2, he got 12!>
Venezuela: Media Law Undercuts Freedom of Expression
standin above the crowd
he had a voice that was strong and loud and
i swallowed his facade cos i'm so
eager to identify with
someone above the crowd
someone who seemed to feel the same
someone prepared to lead the way
I guess we'll find out. I must say I had better hopes for the guy - but, then, it's not my country. I've read a while back that there's an election in December, and that he's polling at about 60%. However, I also read that the main reason he stands to clean house is because the opposition is disparate and can't seem to get their act together (which sounds very familiar to me). Oh, and that the most recognized opposition candidate is a comedian.
All in all, I'd say from my distant outsider's perspective, he's Bush - only Left-Wing style. Kung-Fu vs. the Drunken Boxer - flip a coin to decide which title fits which.
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standin above the crowd
he had a voice that was strong and loud and
i swallowed his facade cos i'm so
eager to identify with
someone above the crowd
someone who seemed to feel the same
someone prepared to lead the way
-as in "Look at me, Im publicly calling the US president the Devil. Im a certified bad ass."
or maybe he's just really sick of us policy in that region for a few decades...don't forget cheney, rummy, wolfowitz, perle, addington, negroponte...all were running around creating our own mass graves and death squads down thataways in the 80's and 90's
standin above the crowd
he had a voice that was strong and loud and
i swallowed his facade cos i'm so
eager to identify with
someone above the crowd
someone who seemed to feel the same
someone prepared to lead the way
"Freedom, by its nature, cannot be imposed. It must be chosen. From Beirut to Baghdad, people are making the choice for freedom." G.W Bush
Everytime I hear this man speak I think of how full of sh*t he really is.....he can go in the same bucket alongside Chavez.....
no shit, eh? doesn't more than 3/4 of iraq see us occupiers and want us to leave???
standin above the crowd
he had a voice that was strong and loud and
i swallowed his facade cos i'm so
eager to identify with
someone above the crowd
someone who seemed to feel the same
someone prepared to lead the way
Why do you think Bush is full of shit? I thought his speech was dead on. Can you specifically attack his points?
yes, i can. they are choosing this in bagdhad he says? oh really?
http://www.usatoday.com/news/world/iraq/2004-04-28-poll-cover_x.htm
BAGHDAD — Only a third of the Iraqi people now believe that the American-led occupation of their country is doing more good than harm, and a solid majority support an immediate military pullout even though they fear that could put them in greater danger, according to a new USA TODAY/CNN/Gallup Poll. (Graphic: Iraqis surveyed)
Asked whether they view the U.S.-led coalition as "liberators" or "occupiers," 71% of all respondents say "occupiers." and actually that number goes up to 82% in baghdad!
That figure reaches 81% if the separatist, pro-U.S. Kurdish minority in northern Iraq is not included.
only 33% thought hte invasion did more good than harm, 61% think the invasion wasn't worth it
also,
CNN’s website says, “[The] National Intelligence Estimate was sent to the White House in July with a classified warning predicting the best case for Iraq was ‘tenuous stability’ and the worst case was civil war.
standin above the crowd
he had a voice that was strong and loud and
i swallowed his facade cos i'm so
eager to identify with
someone above the crowd
someone who seemed to feel the same
someone prepared to lead the way
Cite an economic indicator, and I'll listen. I get your theoretical points, but it's not reality. To me, science is objective, and the evidence supports capitalism. But you may be referring to specifics while I'm speaking in generalities. Specifically, how is life under Chavez better than life under Bush? Hell, at least you know when life under Bush will end.
i thought venezuala was gonna have an election before too long?
standin above the crowd
he had a voice that was strong and loud and
i swallowed his facade cos i'm so
eager to identify with
someone above the crowd
someone who seemed to feel the same
someone prepared to lead the way
no, damn that guy for his lousy couple day delayed response
standin above the crowd
he had a voice that was strong and loud and
i swallowed his facade cos i'm so
eager to identify with
someone above the crowd
someone who seemed to feel the same
someone prepared to lead the way
WASHINGTON (Reuters) - One of President George W. Bush's fiercest political opponents at home took his side on Thursday, calling Venezuelan President Hugo Chavez a "thug" for his remark that Bush is like the devil.
"Hugo Chavez fancies himself a modern day Simon Bolivar but all he is an everyday thug," House Democratic Leader Nancy Pelosi said at a news conference, referring to Chavez' comments in a U.N. General Assembly speech on Wednesday.
"Hugo Chavez abused the privilege that he had, speaking at the United Nations," said Pelosi, a frequent Bush critic. "He demeaned himself and he demeaned Venezuela."
Simon Bolivar led the fight for independence against Spanish rule in several South American countries in the early 19th century and is cited by Chavez as a political model.
Chavez, a vociferous critic of Bush and the United States, has allied himself with U.S. opponents Cuba and Iran and has led a resurgence of left-wing populism in Latin America.
"The devil himself is right in the house. And the devil came here yesterday. Right here," Chavez said as he stood at the U.N. podium where Bush spoke the day before.
"It smells of sulfur still today, this table that I am now standing in front of," Chavez said.
His remarks drew applause from many of the delegates.
Bush administration officials have not responded directly to Chavez's remarks.
"I am not going to dignify a comment by the Venezuelan president to the president of the United States. I think it is not becoming for a head of state," Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice said on Wednesday.
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it was Locke who said.. A minority Rebelling is A rebellion against the People. A rebellion against the Authority means the authorty has betrayed the trust installed in them by the people.
and also, an enlightening country can still war and have flaws. Its a long process.
Individualism and Worldism are in hand in hand i believe.
wait is there actually such thing as WOrldism already?
Individualism and Worldism are not hand in hand if Worldism prescribes conformity to a specific set of ideals that subjugates a man to his neighbors.
The "long process" you speak of is one that eliminates wars, not one that suffers them.
There is such a thing as worldism. Its capital is at 760 United Nations Plaza in New York.
than disregard my posts on worldism..lol ... i created this 4 days ago..didnt know the name was taken...what im talking about will be called 'the macgyver way' or something
-Paine
http://www.bized.ac.uk/images/slums.jpg
We should all listen to him. He cares about the people.
as compared to what this administration <or most of them, really> do for the ppl?
not apologizing or building chavez up, just saying we don't have much room to talk when we constantly cut social spending while dumping trillions on needless wars and when trillions just end up missing
he had a voice that was strong and loud and
i swallowed his facade cos i'm so
eager to identify with
someone above the crowd
someone who seemed to feel the same
someone prepared to lead the way
' To end the rot, he declared, "a bomb should be put in the Palace of Justice." '
wow, that's pretty hardcore!
'Chávez has lavished government largesse on a plethora of welfare programs mostly devoid of parliamentary oversight or any other supervision. Not surprisingly, vast sums of money have stuck to the wrong hands, and most polls show that corruption now ranks among the top three concerns of ordinary citizens. "Only 18 percent of voters think the government is resolving the issue," '
'Mindful of the parallels that critics can draw to the kleptocracy that preceded his ascent, Chávez has OK'd a few high-profile investigations led by a congressional audit commission. He personally has not set the most inspiring of examples; several family members occupy choice government posts. '
let's hope no hurricanes hit
'despite a 50 percent increase in farm credits issued by Fondafa last year, the number of hectares planted nationwide rose by a paltry 1.4 percent, according to official figures. Investigators are fingering corrupt bureaucrats in cahoots with rural business interests, who have allegedly channeled Fondafa credits into phantom agricultural cooperatives. As a result, food imports have soared to record levels. '
that sounds kinda familiar, like how the major agro-businesses get a majority of the aid here
'a multimillion-dollar influx of new agricultural credits. Instead of going to local farmers, many of the new loans wound up in the bank accounts of unscrupulous landowners, who formed bogus cooperatives by collecting signatures and personal data from Zaraza residents in exchange for a $2,000 payoff. Among the willing volunteers were some of the town's prostitutes......Estimates of the sums stolen from Fondafa hover in the $65 million range. '
i was going to ask if there was a possible way that maybe he was just unaware of how bad it was but, then...
Venezuela: Court Orders Trial of Civil Society Leaders
Venezuela: Curbs on Free Expression Tightened<'stifle press criticism of government authorities and restrict the public’s ability to monitor government actions'>
Venezuela: Chávez Allies Pack Supreme Court <wow, bush only got 2, he got 12!>
Venezuela: Media Law Undercuts Freedom of Expression
he had a voice that was strong and loud and
i swallowed his facade cos i'm so
eager to identify with
someone above the crowd
someone who seemed to feel the same
someone prepared to lead the way
..........................
he had a voice that was strong and loud and
i swallowed his facade cos i'm so
eager to identify with
someone above the crowd
someone who seemed to feel the same
someone prepared to lead the way
or maybe he's just really sick of us policy in that region for a few decades...don't forget cheney, rummy, wolfowitz, perle, addington, negroponte...all were running around creating our own mass graves and death squads down thataways in the 80's and 90's
he had a voice that was strong and loud and
i swallowed his facade cos i'm so
eager to identify with
someone above the crowd
someone who seemed to feel the same
someone prepared to lead the way
no shit, eh? doesn't more than 3/4 of iraq see us occupiers and want us to leave???
he had a voice that was strong and loud and
i swallowed his facade cos i'm so
eager to identify with
someone above the crowd
someone who seemed to feel the same
someone prepared to lead the way
yes, i can. they are choosing this in bagdhad he says? oh really?
http://www.usatoday.com/news/world/iraq/2004-04-28-poll-cover_x.htm
BAGHDAD — Only a third of the Iraqi people now believe that the American-led occupation of their country is doing more good than harm, and a solid majority support an immediate military pullout even though they fear that could put them in greater danger, according to a new USA TODAY/CNN/Gallup Poll. (Graphic: Iraqis surveyed)
Asked whether they view the U.S.-led coalition as "liberators" or "occupiers," 71% of all respondents say "occupiers." and actually that number goes up to 82% in baghdad!
That figure reaches 81% if the separatist, pro-U.S. Kurdish minority in northern Iraq is not included.
only 33% thought hte invasion did more good than harm, 61% think the invasion wasn't worth it
also,
CNN’s website says, “[The] National Intelligence Estimate was sent to the White House in July with a classified warning predicting the best case for Iraq was ‘tenuous stability’ and the worst case was civil war.
he had a voice that was strong and loud and
i swallowed his facade cos i'm so
eager to identify with
someone above the crowd
someone who seemed to feel the same
someone prepared to lead the way
i thought venezuala was gonna have an election before too long?
he had a voice that was strong and loud and
i swallowed his facade cos i'm so
eager to identify with
someone above the crowd
someone who seemed to feel the same
someone prepared to lead the way
no, damn that guy for his lousy couple day delayed response
he had a voice that was strong and loud and
i swallowed his facade cos i'm so
eager to identify with
someone above the crowd
someone who seemed to feel the same
someone prepared to lead the way
You're probably playing it loose and fast with the word "election" there. But for more info, see:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Venezuelan_presidential_election,_2006
http://media.netpr.pl/notatka_63976.html
"Hugo Chavez fancies himself a modern day Simon Bolivar but all he is an everyday thug," House Democratic Leader Nancy Pelosi said at a news conference, referring to Chavez' comments in a U.N. General Assembly speech on Wednesday.
"Hugo Chavez abused the privilege that he had, speaking at the United Nations," said Pelosi, a frequent Bush critic. "He demeaned himself and he demeaned Venezuela."
Simon Bolivar led the fight for independence against Spanish rule in several South American countries in the early 19th century and is cited by Chavez as a political model.
Chavez, a vociferous critic of Bush and the United States, has allied himself with U.S. opponents Cuba and Iran and has led a resurgence of left-wing populism in Latin America.
"The devil himself is right in the house. And the devil came here yesterday. Right here," Chavez said as he stood at the U.N. podium where Bush spoke the day before.
"It smells of sulfur still today, this table that I am now standing in front of," Chavez said.
His remarks drew applause from many of the delegates.
Bush administration officials have not responded directly to Chavez's remarks.
"I am not going to dignify a comment by the Venezuelan president to the president of the United States. I think it is not becoming for a head of state," Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice said on Wednesday.
http://reuters.myway.com/article/20060921/2006-09-21T164325Z_01_N21334844_RTRIDST_0_NEWS-VENEZUELA-USA-SPAT-DC.html
I'm glad to read this. I don't agree with Democats very often, but Pelosi hit the nail on the head.