Anyone watching Chavez's UN speech right now?

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  • FinsburyParkCarrots
    FinsburyParkCarrots Seattle, WA Posts: 12,223
    truroute wrote:

    his childish middle-school trash talking about US, Bush, policies, and whatever.

    He was holding up a copy of Chomsky's "Hegemony Or Survival", when he made the devil comment. ;)

    Just see it as macabre entertainment.
  • inmytree
    inmytree Posts: 4,741
    This just in: Chavez said the sky is blue..and since he is evil and a socialist, it was disputed by bush followers, many of whom said..."I don't care what is fact, he said bad things 'bout me god-lovin' leader, so it must be wrong"....
  • breakmarysfall
    breakmarysfall Posts: 368
    ...I just saw the news and saw Chavez and wanted to scream out load
    how much he made me smile tonight.
    - they just showed the first sequel of his speech, when he made the cross and saying things about the devil - .

    p.s. seriously, this news was followed by pictures of bush, asah..., and then, news change... the pope ;)

    wow, and now I find even a perfect thread for this..
    thanks for posting, really.

    I am really happy and hopeful now cause one man dared out to say the truth.
    he had the fists (germ: MUMM) to do so, all my respect and thanks.

    to me, Bush is the most dangerious man on this planet, too
    !!!

    anyway, I wanna scream go Chavez go ... :)
    you have some folks behind you.

    ...
    there is no way to peace, peace is the way!
    ...the world is come undone, I like to change it everyday but change don't come at once, it's a wave, building before it breaks.
  • FinsburyParkCarrots
    FinsburyParkCarrots Seattle, WA Posts: 12,223
    He just held a press conference. I might sometimes agree with the vague gist of some of his views on international politics, and he is a charismatic and engaging speaker. He also called the UN a "worthless system", so he shares at least something in common with Bush, there.

    However, I do take criticisms of his home policies seriously. The bottom line for me is, "Don't follow leaders/ Watch the parking meters." I respect the views of a poster here, regarding Bush, infinitely more than those of a head of state who may either be defending small countries against global economic imperialism, or protecting his interests alone.
  • rebornFixer
    rebornFixer Posts: 4,901
    breakmarysfall wrote:
    ...I just saw the news and saw Chavez and wanted to scream out load
    how much he made me smile tonight.
    - they just showed the first sequel of his speech, when he made the cross and saying things about the devil - .

    p.s. seriously, this news was followed by pictures of bush, asah..., and then, news change... the pope ;)

    wow, and now I find even a perfect thread for this..
    thanks for posting, really.

    I am really happy and hopeful now cause one man dared out to say the truth.
    he had the fists (germ: MUMM) to do so, all my respect and thanks.

    to me, Bush is the most dangerious man on this planet, too
    !!!

    anyway, I wanna scream go Chavez go ... :)
    you have some folks behind you.

    ...

    You might want to look in the situation in Venezuela a bit more ... Regardless of your feelings about Bush, Chavez is undeserving of any sort of hero worship, IMHO.
  • Eva7
    Eva7 Posts: 226
    reborncareerist wrote:
    You might want to look in the situation in Venezuela a bit more ... Regardless of your feelings about Bush, Chavez is undeserving of any sort of hero worship, IMHO.

    what is wrong in Venezuela exactly? seriously, I don't know much, I only hear good things from out here about his oil and social politics...
    http://www.myspace.com/stoikaestinta
  • macgyver06
    macgyver06 Posts: 2,500
    Chavez is to Venezeula as Bush is to the U.S.

    in power but not for long...and definitely a minority
  • farfromglorified
    farfromglorified Posts: 5,700
    Eva7 wrote:
    what is wrong in Venezuela exactly? seriously, I don't know much, I only hear good things from out here about his oil and social politics...

    Out of control inflation, to start. Out of control armament, to finish. Makes a wicked mix.
  • sigh eternally
    sigh eternally Chicago Posts: 421
    Hugo is a Chomsky fan?

    coming up next on the 10c website... Chavez skate decks.
    Skate/Think 3
  • macgyver06
    macgyver06 Posts: 2,500
    Eva7 wrote:
    what is wrong in Venezuela exactly? seriously, I don't know much, I only hear good things from out here about his oil and social politics...

    their country is also divided..like us.. and these 'grown ups' continue talks of unity of the world.. get it right here first!

    hate the french
    hate the iranians
    hate the venezuleans
    hate the north koreans
    hate some of the south koreans

    but dont hate

    kuwait
    israel
    britain

    Bush is a misspoken Lunatic. Fuck War.
    War has NEVER solved anything..regardless of the cute signs.



    Nazis still exist
    tyrants still exist
    terrorism still exists
    oppression still exists
    a divided country with civil war in its past, rises to exist again

    time for a new idea, simple minds!
  • rebornFixer
    rebornFixer Posts: 4,901
    Eva7 wrote:
    what is wrong in Venezuela exactly? seriously, I don't know much, I only hear good things from out here about his oil and social politics...

    http://msnbc.msn.com/id/13989898/site/newsweek/

    http://www.hrw.org/doc?t=americas&c=venezu

    http://www.vcrisis.com/index.php?content=letters/200412161451

    If you like socialist dictatorships with some corruption on the side, he's a great guy. I don't, though.
  • breakmarysfall
    breakmarysfall Posts: 368
    reborncareerist wrote:
    You might want to look in the situation in Venezuela a bit more ... Regardless of your feelings about Bush, Chavez is undeserving of any sort of hero worship, IMHO.

    ..I agree fully: I do not know much about venezuela and I should learn more about it.
    and I need to say that I do not worship Chavez of any kind.

    so the backround to my little praising of this news smile is explained now:

    here in Europe/ Germany we hear too much of evil states, the evil achses of evil, terror and fear,
    yeah, you hear all this in Germany as well daily and most people believe it all.

    however, none here in this world anymore, (beside the muslims) critize seriously Bushs way and that he has done serious mistakes and let the world suffer badly,
    ... he is maybe also one of those evil ones.

    Chaves impressed me with his Mumm, with his curage..
    ..thats all that made me smile... they did not show any details of any speek.

    Chavez ways and his system might be unfair as well...well, it is just like all the others.

    to me,
    none is right or wrong anymore,
    as there is no middle anymore.
    there is no way to peace, peace is the way!
    ...the world is come undone, I like to change it everyday but change don't come at once, it's a wave, building before it breaks.
  • FinsburyParkCarrots
    FinsburyParkCarrots Seattle, WA Posts: 12,223
    Eva7 wrote:
    what is wrong in Venezuela exactly? seriously, I don't know much, I only hear good things from out here about his oil and social politics...


    http://web.amnesty.org/report2006/ven-summary-eng
  • jlew24asu
    jlew24asu Posts: 10,118
    macgyver06 wrote:
    their country is also divided..like us.. and these 'grown ups' continue talks of unity of the world.. get it right here first!

    hate the french
    hate the iranians
    hate the venezuleans
    hate the north koreans
    hate some of the south koreans

    but dont hate

    kuwait
    israel
    britain

    Bush is a misspoken Lunatic. Fuck War.
    War has NEVER solved anything..regardless of the cute signs.



    Nazis still exist
    tyrants still exist
    terrorism still exists
    oppression still exists
    a divided country with civil war in its past, rises to exist again

    time for a new idea, simple minds!

    what is this new idea you speak of?
  • John Budge
    John Budge Posts: 259
    You have to love the irony. Both Chavez and the neo-cons want to fix the UN.
  • macgyver06
    macgyver06 Posts: 2,500
    jlew24asu wrote:
    what is this new idea you speak of?

    it starts by ending the teaching of nationalism and patriotism to our kids.
  • macgyver06
    macgyver06 Posts: 2,500
    John Budge wrote:
    You have to love the irony. Both Chavez and the neo-cons want to fix the UN.

    don't they know the UN can be swayed :) all you gotta do is show them some computer images of brown things being moved in a desert...call them..umm... weapons! and scare the fuck out of em!
    than do whatever ya want
  • farfromglorified
    farfromglorified Posts: 5,700
    macgyver06 wrote:
    it starts by ending the teaching of nationalism and patriotism to our kids.

    Ok. How do you do that?
  • macgyver06
    macgyver06 Posts: 2,500
    farfromglorified wrote:
    Ok. How do you do that?

    the idea of nationalism is to put faith and love in your country. This is a great idea.. but now that the communications today are faster and We are seeing patterns of a shift to a global society... maybe we should be teaching Nationalism on a basis of 'Worldism' love your world first. Any 'Nationalist" who doesnt agree, isn't a true Nationalist, because as i have said many times on this board, Nationalism is directly linked to Romanticism.. the idea of one.. maybe now it isn't just One Country, it is one Globe.

    leave Nationalism behind for Olympic Events, and sporting events..and especially leave it behind when making decisions that will effect your globe. Keep in mind.. things we do in Iraq, or anywhere in the world..will make it back to us. That is history.
  • RainDog
    RainDog Posts: 1,824
    reborncareerist wrote:
    http://msnbc.msn.com/id/13989898/site/newsweek/

    http://www.hrw.org/doc?t=americas&c=venezu

    http://www.vcrisis.com/index.php?content=letters/200412161451

    If you like socialist dictatorships with some corruption on the side, he's a great guy. I don't, though.
    Is he a dictator yet, or does he just like to think he is (a la "things would be a lot easier if ......." )?

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