Screw that...they get elected for a reason...do your jobs...do it well...screw bad and worse, find the better solution, improve the situation...goes for any and all reps & senators.
The Republicans have certainly left one stinking mess behind for them to attempt to tidy up. No doubt the Republicans will criticise them if they fail to do so.
Possibly, because I know they are going to try and take even more of my money to support a bunch of useless, wasteful programs.
Of course, you're the one whose usually so bitter. Out of curiousity, I always wonder why you are so bitter about the minutiae of a government that is not even your own.
I don't believe I've ever displayed an air of bitterness on this board.
p.s, What's up Know1? Did you get out of the wrong side of bed this morning?
Out of curiousity, I always wonder why you are so bitter about the minutiae of a government that is not even your own.
I never concern myself with the minutiae of American Politics. I couldn't really give a fuck about it. Although I do concern myself with issues of American Politics that effect the wider world. I also concern myself with matters of American politics that simply amuse me - Like George - frat boy - Bush e.t.c.
Yeah hopefully they will once again raise the standard for acceptable levels of mercury in the water, start funding after school programs again, stop reducing retirement benefits for public officials...
You are an ass if you get bent out of shape when a couple of YOUR dollars are being spent on social programs while HUNDREDS, if not THOUSANDS of YOUR dollars are going towards a worthless war in Iraq.
I'm bent out of shape for almost EVERY tax dollar that is taken from me - whether for the war or for any of the programs mentioned above. There are plenty of programs for which I am truly morally opposed, yet my tax dollars are used to fund them and it doesn't make me feel real good.
The only people we should try to get even with...
...are those who've helped us.
Right 'round the corner could be bigger than ourselves.
I never concern myself with the minutiae of American Politics. I couldn't really give a fuck about it. Although I do concern myself with issues of American Politics that effect the wider world. I also concern myself with matters of American politics that simply amuse me - Like George - frat boy - Bush e.t.c.
Do you honestly think that this election will impact our policy to win in Iraq? The Democrats that won are basically Republicans with D's next to their name and are not for losing (in liberal lingo, redeployment). If they side with the far-left leadership, they will not win re-election. So, no, those of us who care more about the issues aren't bitter about last night, because we didn't lose on the issues.
And you ask me what I want this year
And I try to make this kind and clear
Just a chance that maybe we'll find better days
Cuz I don't need boxes wrapped in strings
And desire and love and empty things
Just a chance that maybe we'll find better days
Do you honestly think that this election will impact our policy to win in Iraq? The Democrats that won are basically Republicans with D's next to their name and are not for losing (in liberal lingo, redeployment). If they side with the far-left leadership, they will not win re-election. So, no, those of us who care more about the issues aren't bitter about last night, because we didn't lose on the issues.
Not yet, anyway. It's coming, though. Once the country realizes that social issues aren't as important as more tangible ones, the Democrats will likely pick up more rural, blue collar votes. And, if they don't change too much on their social issues, Democrats will also hold on to the urban vote. Republicans may very well be regulated to the McMansionites in the suburbs.
I'm bent out of shape for almost EVERY tax dollar that is taken from me - whether for the war or for any of the programs mentioned above. There are plenty of programs for which I am truly morally opposed, yet my tax dollars are used to fund them and it doesn't make me feel real good.
Too bad. Welcome to America. I bet you didnt mind using the roads that taxes paid for. The schools they paid for, that helped you make the money that you complain about being taxed.
It is so arrogant of people to stand on the shoulders of giants and then deny the collective effort that got them there once they have the pice of the pie they want.
Too bad. Welcome to America. I bet you didnt mind using the roads that taxes paid for. The schools they paid for, that helped you make the money that you complain about being taxed.
It is so arrogant of people to stand on the shoulders of giants and then deny the collective effort that got them there once they have the pice of the pie they want.
And what is it to demand payment as a collective based only on the argument that you exist, therefore you're entitled to it?
Too bad. Welcome to America. I bet you didnt mind using the roads that taxes paid for. The schools they paid for, that helped you make the money that you complain about being taxed.
It is so arrogant of people to stand on the shoulders of giants and then deny the collective effort that got them there once they have the pice of the pie they want.
It would be interesting to understand US politics from an Amish viewpoint, they basically do not use any of the 'services' that their taxes helped to pay for.
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...a lover and a fighter.
"I'm at least half a bum" Rocky Balboa
Not yet, anyway. It's coming, though. Once the country realizes that social issues aren't as important as more tangible ones, the Democrats will likely pick up more rural, blue collar votes. And, if they don't change too much on their social issues, Democrats will also hold on to the urban vote. Republicans may very well be regulated to the McMansionites in the suburbs.
lol @ the change coming.
You won on an anybody but bush agenda. The dems did not win because of their ideals, and why is that? Because they have no ideals, nor do they have a plan.
You win now..but trust me its bittersweet because you will not win in 08. Say hi to president Rudy Guiliani!
Too bad. Welcome to America. I bet you didnt mind using the roads that taxes paid for. The schools they paid for, that helped you make the money that you complain about being taxed.
It is so arrogant of people to stand on the shoulders of giants and then deny the collective effort that got them there once they have the pice of the pie they want.
The roads I have no problem with. The schools are debatable as I favor privatization. There are a whole host of things I shouldn't be paying for, however. The war is a big one, but it's only part of a much, much longer list.
The only people we should try to get even with...
...are those who've helped us.
Right 'round the corner could be bigger than ourselves.
You won on an anybody but bush agenda. The dems did not win because of their ideals, and why is that? Because they have no ideals, nor do they have a plan.
You win now..but trust me its bittersweet because you will not win in 08. Say hi to president Rudy Guiliani!
I contend the Dems won on a "bush failed" agenda...
as I've stated elsewhere, I'm looking forward to some good ol' checks and balances....also, I'm interested in seeing bush be a "uniter"...
as for Guiliani, if he lowers my taxes, focuses on sound foreign policy, and seeks a middle ground, I look forward to his taking charge...
You won on an anybody but bush agenda. The dems did not win because of their ideals, and why is that? Because they have no ideals, nor do they have a plan.
Rumsfeld had a plan for Iraq? Bush had a plan for when the trade deficit hit an all-time high?
Debate in circles and finger pointing. Lets just hope that something positive can come of the next two years with a Repub president and a Dem controlled house and senate.
A good point was made that most of the items on the table for states to vote on with a liberal slant were shot down--in general. The Democratic wins have nothing to do with a shift in morality--just a distaste for what the Republicans have given us for the last eight years. The Democrats are on the clock and if they do not get it together by 2008 then we will probably have another Republican President named McCain.
Do you honestly think that this election will impact our policy to win in Iraq? The Democrats that won are basically Republicans with D's next to their name and are not for losing (in liberal lingo, redeployment). If they side with the far-left leadership, they will not win re-election. So, no, those of us who care more about the issues aren't bitter about last night, because we didn't lose on the issues.
But as you point out, any politician in order to be elected is also aware of the mood of the voters. Opposition to the Iraq war has been growing in the States, the Democrats will capitalise on that against Bush, and all the world will benefit from it by default as that senseless war will end.
And what is it to demand payment as a collective based only on the argument that you exist, therefore you're entitled to it?
I believe that we are all here together. It's pretty simple. For me to succeed I need the help of others. Collectively we can do more than alone. I dont believe that might makes right, and Government that provides for all rather than just the loudest or most popular is humane.
In the end, how many of us would be anywhere without the collective use of our government? Health, Safety, and Education are all provided for the whole. If you feel that because you do not use a service, you should not pay for it: Can I get a refund on everything I dont use?
Maybe you dont like Government, but again I challenge you to renounce all of the things that it has given you.
First, you didn't answer my question: what is it to demand payment as a collective based only on the argument that you exist, therefore you're entitled to it?
I believe that we are all here together. It's pretty simple. For me to succeed I need the help of others. Collectively we can do more than alone.
I completely agree!
I dont believe that might makes right, and Government that provides for all rather than just the loudest or most popular is humane.
You don't believe that might makes right? Are you sure??? A minute ago you just said this:
"Too bad. Welcome to America. I bet you didnt mind using the roads that taxes paid for. The schools they paid for, that helped you make the money that you complain about being taxed."
Might upholds every point you made there -- the might of law, backed by the force of the state. If you believe that you have the right to simply force someone to pay for your schools, you definitely believe that might makes right.
In the end, how many of us would be anywhere without the collective use of our government? Health, Safety, and Education are all provided for the whole. If you feel that because you do not use a service, you should not pay for it: Can I get a refund on everything I dont use?
Certainly!
Maybe you dont like Government, but again I challenge you to renounce all of the things that it has given you.
Why would I have to renounce anything? I've paid for it because you've forced me to. In the absence of such force, I'll certainly stop paying for a lot of things and will have no expectation of use.
But as you point out, any politician in order to be elected is also aware of the mood of the voters. Opposition to the Iraq war has been growing in the States, the Democrats will capitalise on that against Bush, and all the world will benefit from it by default as that senseless war will end.
sorry but the war isn't ending anytime soon.
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Anyhow. Original question, what is it to demand payment as a collective based only on the argument that you exist, therefore you're entitled to it?
I would say I dont base it only on the fact that I exist, merely that there are those that deserve payment and those that don't. It's called compassion. (No, I am not a tree hugger from the 60's. I have always agreed with Welfare reform)
How could I answer a question that wasnt my position to start with?
I am not going to argue about taxes with anyone. Whatever your reason for not liking them, every stable government operates with that kind of might to collect taxes. If it didnt it wouldnt be around very long. My point was that the will of the majority isnt always the proper decision. To me taxes are like vegetables. there are some I like, but mainly they are necessary to the health of the state despite my feelings.
"Why would I have to renounce anything? I've paid for it because you've forced me to. In the absence of such force, I'll certainly stop paying for a lot of things and will have no expectation of use."
I think you would find that those services you did feel compelled to pay for might not be as good without the combined power of everyone else using your payments. (For instance, how good would your roads be if they were made by my children who I kept out of school to save on the taxes?)
I respect your opinion, but I still find it selfish. Admittedly my opinion is selfish too, but I like to think that a selfishness based on the greater good is better than a me 1st attitude.
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*dances*
*dances again*
*........continues dancing*
*shakes ass*
*does the running man*
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...a lover and a fighter.
"I'm at least half a bum" Rocky Balboa
http://www.videosift.com/video/Obamas-Message-To-American-Indians
Edmonton, AB. September 5th, 2005
Vancouver, BC. April 3rd, 2008
Calgary,AB. August 8th, 2009
It's govt money- that he paid in taxes. The parties have different priorities when spening it.
The Republicans have certainly left one stinking mess behind for them to attempt to tidy up. No doubt the Republicans will criticise them if they fail to do so.
I don't believe I've ever displayed an air of bitterness on this board.
p.s, What's up Know1? Did you get out of the wrong side of bed this morning?
I never concern myself with the minutiae of American Politics. I couldn't really give a fuck about it. Although I do concern myself with issues of American Politics that effect the wider world. I also concern myself with matters of American politics that simply amuse me - Like George - frat boy - Bush e.t.c.
I'm bent out of shape for almost EVERY tax dollar that is taken from me - whether for the war or for any of the programs mentioned above. There are plenty of programs for which I am truly morally opposed, yet my tax dollars are used to fund them and it doesn't make me feel real good.
...are those who've helped us.
Right 'round the corner could be bigger than ourselves.
Sure...you're never bitter!
I'm in basically the same mood as always. I guess all the complaining will stop now that the U.S. will be perfect again.
...are those who've helped us.
Right 'round the corner could be bigger than ourselves.
Do you honestly think that this election will impact our policy to win in Iraq? The Democrats that won are basically Republicans with D's next to their name and are not for losing (in liberal lingo, redeployment). If they side with the far-left leadership, they will not win re-election. So, no, those of us who care more about the issues aren't bitter about last night, because we didn't lose on the issues.
And I try to make this kind and clear
Just a chance that maybe we'll find better days
Cuz I don't need boxes wrapped in strings
And desire and love and empty things
Just a chance that maybe we'll find better days
Too bad. Welcome to America. I bet you didnt mind using the roads that taxes paid for. The schools they paid for, that helped you make the money that you complain about being taxed.
It is so arrogant of people to stand on the shoulders of giants and then deny the collective effort that got them there once they have the pice of the pie they want.
And what is it to demand payment as a collective based only on the argument that you exist, therefore you're entitled to it?
It would be interesting to understand US politics from an Amish viewpoint, they basically do not use any of the 'services' that their taxes helped to pay for.
>
...a lover and a fighter.
"I'm at least half a bum" Rocky Balboa
http://www.videosift.com/video/Obamas-Message-To-American-Indians
Edmonton, AB. September 5th, 2005
Vancouver, BC. April 3rd, 2008
Calgary,AB. August 8th, 2009
lol @ the change coming.
You won on an anybody but bush agenda. The dems did not win because of their ideals, and why is that? Because they have no ideals, nor do they have a plan.
You win now..but trust me its bittersweet because you will not win in 08. Say hi to president Rudy Guiliani!
The roads I have no problem with. The schools are debatable as I favor privatization. There are a whole host of things I shouldn't be paying for, however. The war is a big one, but it's only part of a much, much longer list.
...are those who've helped us.
Right 'round the corner could be bigger than ourselves.
Damn! I didn't think of that. Back to the Dublin thread it is then. :rolleyes:
I contend the Dems won on a "bush failed" agenda...
as I've stated elsewhere, I'm looking forward to some good ol' checks and balances....also, I'm interested in seeing bush be a "uniter"...
as for Guiliani, if he lowers my taxes, focuses on sound foreign policy, and seeks a middle ground, I look forward to his taking charge...
Rumsfeld had a plan for Iraq? Bush had a plan for when the trade deficit hit an all-time high?
Debate in circles and finger pointing. Lets just hope that something positive can come of the next two years with a Repub president and a Dem controlled house and senate.
...are those who've helped us.
Right 'round the corner could be bigger than ourselves.
But as you point out, any politician in order to be elected is also aware of the mood of the voters. Opposition to the Iraq war has been growing in the States, the Democrats will capitalise on that against Bush, and all the world will benefit from it by default as that senseless war will end.
In the end, how many of us would be anywhere without the collective use of our government? Health, Safety, and Education are all provided for the whole. If you feel that because you do not use a service, you should not pay for it: Can I get a refund on everything I dont use?
Maybe you dont like Government, but again I challenge you to renounce all of the things that it has given you.
But I'll address these points:
I completely agree!
You don't believe that might makes right? Are you sure??? A minute ago you just said this:
"Too bad. Welcome to America. I bet you didnt mind using the roads that taxes paid for. The schools they paid for, that helped you make the money that you complain about being taxed."
Might upholds every point you made there -- the might of law, backed by the force of the state. If you believe that you have the right to simply force someone to pay for your schools, you definitely believe that might makes right.
Certainly!
Why would I have to renounce anything? I've paid for it because you've forced me to. In the absence of such force, I'll certainly stop paying for a lot of things and will have no expectation of use.
sorry but the war isn't ending anytime soon.
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Social awareness does not equal political activism!
5/23/2011- An utter embarrassment... ticketing failures too many to list.
Having Rumsfeld gone will help more than a Democratic congress. Either way- it has been a good two days for America!
True but troops won't be out before the presidential election in 08. And the president still sets policy.
Admin
Social awareness does not equal political activism!
5/23/2011- An utter embarrassment... ticketing failures too many to list.
Anyhow. Original question, what is it to demand payment as a collective based only on the argument that you exist, therefore you're entitled to it?
I would say I dont base it only on the fact that I exist, merely that there are those that deserve payment and those that don't. It's called compassion. (No, I am not a tree hugger from the 60's. I have always agreed with Welfare reform)
How could I answer a question that wasnt my position to start with?
I am not going to argue about taxes with anyone. Whatever your reason for not liking them, every stable government operates with that kind of might to collect taxes. If it didnt it wouldnt be around very long. My point was that the will of the majority isnt always the proper decision. To me taxes are like vegetables. there are some I like, but mainly they are necessary to the health of the state despite my feelings.
"Why would I have to renounce anything? I've paid for it because you've forced me to. In the absence of such force, I'll certainly stop paying for a lot of things and will have no expectation of use."
I think you would find that those services you did feel compelled to pay for might not be as good without the combined power of everyone else using your payments. (For instance, how good would your roads be if they were made by my children who I kept out of school to save on the taxes?)
I respect your opinion, but I still find it selfish. Admittedly my opinion is selfish too, but I like to think that a selfishness based on the greater good is better than a me 1st attitude.