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  • No , it's not, it just gives instructions to muscles to creat mevemnt. My father would not have spent 13yr in a wheelchair after his stroke if the mind was that powerful.

    Mind influences mind, but not physical objects.

    Well yeah if your brain takes damage directly it's a somewhat of a catch 22 scenario. The power to control within is much stronger than outwards.
    Progress is not made by everyone joining some new fad,
    and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
    over specific principles, goals, and policies.

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  • FinsburyParkCarrotsFinsburyParkCarrots Seattle, WA Posts: 12,223
    What word is not eternally unstable and in intertextual freeform multidialogic play with every alternating, alternative and altar-hallowed context of discourse in which it has been uttered? What word, a signifier without a signified (since the word signified is nothing by a signifier) relates to a fact, since the word fact is just another signifier without a signified, even more so now we know the word signified relates less to fact than that last time I used fact relates to anything but the context in which I just used the word fact...

    Lost me?


    Pity. read this Nietzsche essay instead:

    http://www.e-scoala.ro/biblioteca/friedrich_nietzsche.html
  • What word is not eternally unstable and in intertextual freeform multidialogic play with every alternating, alternative and altar-hallowed context of discourse in which it has been uttered? What word, a signifier without a signified (since the word signified is nothing by a signifier) relates to a fact, since the word fact is just another signifier without a signified, even more so now we know the word signified relates less to fact than that last time I used fact relates to anything but the context in which I just used the word fact...

    Lost me?


    Pity. read this Nietzsche essay instead:

    http://www.e-scoala.ro/biblioteca/friedrich_nietzsche.html

    yes...delicious with a subtle nutty flavor all in one bite...
    Progress is not made by everyone joining some new fad,
    and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
    over specific principles, goals, and policies.

    http://i36.tinypic.com/66j31x.jpg

    (\__/)
    ( o.O)
    (")_(")
  • Ok those guilty own up.... :D


    "Solipsism syndrome is a state of mind in which a person begins to feel that everything is a dream and is not real.

    Solipsism is a philosophical theory that everything is in the imagination, and there is no reality outside one's own mind. As a philosophical theory it is interesting because it is internally consistent and, therefore, cannot be disproved. But as a psychological state, it is highly uncomfortable. The whole of life becomes a long dream from which an individual can never wake up. Even friends are not real, they are a part of the dream. A person may feel very lonely and detached, and eventually becomes apathetic and indifferent."

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Solipsism_syndrome
    Progress is not made by everyone joining some new fad,
    and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
    over specific principles, goals, and policies.

    http://i36.tinypic.com/66j31x.jpg

    (\__/)
    ( o.O)
    (")_(")
  • AhnimusAhnimus Posts: 10,560
    What word is not eternally unstable and in intertextual freeform multidialogic play with every alternating, alternative and altar-hallowed context of discourse in which it has been uttered? What word, a signifier without a signified (since the word signified is nothing by a signifier) relates to a fact, since the word fact is just another signifier without a signified, even more so now we know the word signified relates less to fact than that last time I used fact relates to anything but the context in which I just used the word fact...

    Lost me?


    Pity. read this Nietzsche essay instead:

    http://www.e-scoala.ro/biblioteca/friedrich_nietzsche.html

    I read every word you said, but it smells more like bullshit than brilliance.
    I necessarily have the passion for writing this, and you have the passion for condemning me; both of us are equally fools, equally the toys of destiny. Your nature is to do harm, mine is to love truth, and to make it public in spite of you. - Voltaire
  • FinsburyParkCarrotsFinsburyParkCarrots Seattle, WA Posts: 12,223
    Ahnimus wrote:
    I read every word you said, but it smells more like bullshit than brilliance.

    You should read up on deconstructionist philosophy then, or start by reading up on some basic textbook philosophy, to begin with. What you got treated to was a practical exercise in what Jacques Derrida called Différance. Note the spelling.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Diff%C3%A9rance

    I demonstrated to you how words interoperate to defer meaning (fact), and how they differ semantically according to context. I was showing you that given the eternal instability of language, it is impossible to make a word (a signifier - c'mon, you know some basic Saussure, right, or you wouldn't be having a conversation of this sort?) a direct reflection of a signified (the real object), because language is always at a distance from reality.

    Incidentally, a common misreading of Derrida is that he was denying reality. He wasn't. He was only showing that language is nothing to do with reality and can't begin to "represent" it.




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  • gue_bariumgue_barium Posts: 5,515
    You should read up on deconstructionist philosophy then, or start by reading up on some basic textbook philosophy, to begin with. What you got treated to was a practical exercise in what Jacques Derrida called Différance. Note the spelling.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Diff%C3%A9rance

    I demonstrated to you how words interoperate to defer meaning (fact), and how they differ semantically according to context. I was showing you that given the eternal instability of language, it is impossible to make a word (a signifier - c'mon, you know some basic Saussure, right, or you wouldn't be having a conversation of this sort?) a direct reflection of a signified (the real object), because language is always at a distance from reality?

    Incidentally, a common misreading of Derrida is that he was denying reality. He wasn't. He was only showing that language is nothing to do with reality and can't begin to "represent" it.




    You've got to get up pretty early in the morning to catch me.

    I've never read any of this stuff. But I understand. Because: I have a 72 IQ.

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  • FinsburyParkCarrotsFinsburyParkCarrots Seattle, WA Posts: 12,223
    Thank fuck for that, gue. That makes two of us. Lonely at the top, innit? ;)
  • gue_bariumgue_barium Posts: 5,515
    Thank fuck for that, gue. That makes two of us. Lonely at the top, innit? ;)

    solipitically so, sometimes. :)

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  • Doesn't Nietzsche mean nuts in German? :D
    Progress is not made by everyone joining some new fad,
    and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
    over specific principles, goals, and policies.

    http://i36.tinypic.com/66j31x.jpg

    (\__/)
    ( o.O)
    (")_(")
  • FinsburyParkCarrotsFinsburyParkCarrots Seattle, WA Posts: 12,223
    Doesn't Nietzsche mean nuts in German? :D


    He means nuts in any fucking language, if you ask me, but I thought I'd stir the pot. The fucking education has to come in handy occasionally. :D
  • He means nuts in any fucking language, if you ask me, but I thought I'd stir the pot. The fucking education has to come in handy occasionally. :D

    lol
    Progress is not made by everyone joining some new fad,
    and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
    over specific principles, goals, and policies.

    http://i36.tinypic.com/66j31x.jpg

    (\__/)
    ( o.O)
    (")_(")
  • prismprism Posts: 2,440
    Ok those guilty own up.... :D


    "Solipsism syndrome is a state of mind in which a person begins to feel that everything is a dream and is not real.

    Solipsism is a philosophical theory that everything is in the imagination, and there is no reality outside one's own mind. As a philosophical theory it is interesting because it is internally consistent and, therefore, cannot be disproved. But as a psychological state, it is highly uncomfortable. The whole of life becomes a long dream from which an individual can never wake up. Even friends are not real, they are a part of the dream. A person may feel very lonely and detached, and eventually becomes apathetic and indifferent."

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Solipsism_syndrome


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  • prism wrote:

    Nice! super mellow tune, killer stage. The xray stuff was great.
    Progress is not made by everyone joining some new fad,
    and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
    over specific principles, goals, and policies.

    http://i36.tinypic.com/66j31x.jpg

    (\__/)
    ( o.O)
    (")_(")
  • catefrancescatefrances Posts: 29,003
    You should read up on deconstructionist philosophy then, or start by reading up on some basic textbook philosophy, to begin with. What you got treated to was a practical exercise in what Jacques Derrida called Différance. Note the spelling.

    yep spelling duly noted fins. cause it's french that means it has more validity than if it were in english, no? :D:D:p
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  • pickupyourwillpickupyourwill Posts: 3,135
    ...for someone to believe it does. agree/disagree?

    I agree. 'nuff said :D too lazy at the moment to back my case. I believe I have a valid point behind agreeing, therefore, it exists :p
  • Alex_CoeAlex_Coe Posts: 762
    ...for someone to believe it does. agree/disagree?

    There is an anime called Serial Experiments Lain that deals with this question. You should check it out on youtube, it would be right up your alley.


    Anyway, I would say if the answer is yes, then that is proof there is a god.
  • gue_bariumgue_barium Posts: 5,515
    Alex_Coe wrote:
    There is an anime called Serial Experiments Lain that deals with this question. You should check it out on youtube, it would be right up your alley.


    Anyway, I would say if the answer is yes, then that is proof there is a god.

    Proof of one kind of...thought-god.

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  • ...for someone to believe it does. agree/disagree?

    If a tree falls in the Message Pit and no one is there to hear it, did it really fall?
    one foot in the door
    the other foot in the gutter
    sweet smell that they adore
    I think I'd rather smother
    -The Replacements-
  • Alex_CoeAlex_Coe Posts: 762
    gue_barium wrote:
    Proof of one kind of...thought-god.


    Yes... is there any other?
  • onelongsongonelongsong Posts: 3,517
    Cosmo wrote:
    ...
    Not quite the same...
    Saying you believe that time exists is like saying you believe air exists.
    ...
    You simply do not apply the clock to your life... that's all. Nothing philosophical about that.

    no; i can capture air; analize it; break it down to it's components. air is something real; that can be touched.

    i recall a sleep test where the patient claimed to be dreaming all night. he recalled this extensive dream in the morning yet the EEG only showed about 30 seconds of brain activity atributed to dreaming.
    science measures time by the break down of carbon; then converts it to the time measurement we accept.
  • OutOfBreathOutOfBreath Posts: 1,804
    Why do always these philosophical threads explode when I'm not looking? Damn it.

    Anyway, Finsbury trying to convince Ahnimus to read de-constructionist philosophy and Nietzsche... Where's my popcorn? :D

    Peace
    Dan
    "YOU [humans] NEED TO BELIEVE IN THINGS THAT AREN'T TRUE. HOW ELSE CAN THEY BECOME?" - Death

    "Every judgment teeters on the brink of error. To claim absolute knowledge is to become monstrous. Knowledge is an unending adventure at the edge of uncertainty." - Frank Herbert, Dune, 1965
  • onelongsongonelongsong Posts: 3,517
    Why do always these philosophical threads explode when I'm not looking? Damn it.

    Anyway, Finsbury trying to convince Ahnimus to read de-constructionist philosophy and Nietzsche... Where's my popcorn? :D

    Peace
    Dan

    if you can get ahnimus to think outside the test tube; i'll buy the popcorn.
  • angelicaangelica Posts: 6,038
    Why do always these philosophical threads explode when I'm not looking? Damn it.

    Anyway, Finsbury trying to convince Ahnimus to read de-constructionist philosophy and Nietzsche... Where's my popcorn? :D

    Peace
    Dan
    :D

    You're so awesome on these subjects, too!
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  • gue_bariumgue_barium Posts: 5,515
    Alex_Coe wrote:
    Yes... is there any other?

    Sure there is...

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  • AhnimusAhnimus Posts: 10,560
    Why do always these philosophical threads explode when I'm not looking? Damn it.

    Anyway, Finsbury trying to convince Ahnimus to read de-constructionist philosophy and Nietzsche... Where's my popcorn? :D

    Peace
    Dan

    They can stay in the past where they belong. I'm reading up-to-date scientific results and philosophy.

    I used to have a lot of respect for you Dan, but lately you aren't adding to the topics. This is just verbal diahrrea.
    I necessarily have the passion for writing this, and you have the passion for condemning me; both of us are equally fools, equally the toys of destiny. Your nature is to do harm, mine is to love truth, and to make it public in spite of you. - Voltaire
  • AhnimusAhnimus Posts: 10,560
    if you can get ahnimus to think outside the test tube; i'll buy the popcorn.

    Actually OLS, the engrams in your brain are far stronger than mine, according to Hebb's rule, you are an "old dog" to which "new tricks" can not be taught. I'm the opposite, I learn new tricks every day. I even gave you a neuroscientific explanation for your behaviour.
    I necessarily have the passion for writing this, and you have the passion for condemning me; both of us are equally fools, equally the toys of destiny. Your nature is to do harm, mine is to love truth, and to make it public in spite of you. - Voltaire
  • Ahnimus wrote:
    They can stay in the past where they belong. I'm reading up-to-date scientific results and philosophy.

    I used to have a lot of respect for you Dan, but lately you aren't adding to the topics. This is just verbal diahrrea.

    Hehe...how could you possibly respect something?
  • AhnimusAhnimus Posts: 10,560
    Hehe...how could you possibly respect something?

    How could I respect something?

    Let me tell you something FFG. All I'm posting up here is text, which even if you interpret it 100% as I intended, still leaves the door wide open for you to paint my personality in your mind. Your vision of Ahnimus, is probably not true. It becomes apparent that you have a prejudice towards me when you make statements like this above. Then I wonder, why it is you have these ill feelings towards me. Perhaps it's my resourcefulness and thirst for knowledge that leads me to amazing revelations and little-known discoveries. I don't know, but envy and pride don't look good on anyone.
    I necessarily have the passion for writing this, and you have the passion for condemning me; both of us are equally fools, equally the toys of destiny. Your nature is to do harm, mine is to love truth, and to make it public in spite of you. - Voltaire
  • Let me tell you something FFG. All I'm posting up here is text, which even if you interpret it 100% as I intended, still leaves the door wide open for you to paint my personality in your mind.

    Of course. And vice versa.
    Your vision of Ahnimus, is probably not true.

    I have no "vision of Ahnimus". I have a vision of your ideology.
    It becomes apparent that you have a prejudice towards me when you make statements like this above.

    I do have a prejudice against you.
    Then I wonder, why it is you have these ill feelings towards me.

    Because I disagree with you. The same reason I have prejudices against others here.
    Perhaps it's my resourcefulness and thirst for knowledge that leads me to amazing revelations and little-known discoveries.

    Huh? All you seem to have is an index of names and some wikipedia articles.
    I don't know, but envy and pride don't look good on anyone.

    How could I envy you? What do you have that I want?

    And pride, when justified, looks great on anyone.
    Ahnimus wrote:
    How could I respect something?

    Good question. I'm still waiting for you to answer it.
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