my perception of time is my life. time for me stops when i die. it began when i was born. all the time in the world for me means that i have the rest of my life to wait. wait for MR Science absloute PHD to prove time. i know it exists but not as it exists for others. time means something different to everyone. 5:00 pm to you may mean quitting time. to me it's just another number. quitting time for me is when i finish my last feeding for the day. it could be 4:00 pm or 1:00 am.
to my knowledge; no one has been able to prove time.
you lost me on this one...
Progress is not made by everyone joining some new fad,
and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
over specific principles, goals, and policies.
my perception of time is my life. time for me stops when i die. it began when i was born. all the time in the world for me means that i have the rest of my life to wait. wait for MR Science absloute PHD to prove time. i know it exists but not as it exists for others. time means something different to everyone. 5:00 pm to you may mean quitting time. to me it's just another number. quitting time for me is when i finish my last feeding for the day. it could be 4:00 pm or 1:00 am.
to my knowledge; no one has been able to prove time.
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You choose not to read the clock. That's it. That's all you're doing.
Nothing to do with the existance of time or not... you choose to do your chores at whenever you want. Big deal. I sleep til noon on Saturday... by my choosing. Therefore, time ceases to exist for the rest of the world? I think not.
But, whatever. Go ahead and choose not to believe in time... we have people here who believe they are ancestors of aliens cross-bred with humans... it's a free country.
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Finally I clue in as to why you would like to "leave well enough alone" on these topics, Ahnimus. The seemingly reigning view, even though there is dispute, is that determinism is not real at the quantum physics level. You've conveniently kept this quiet in debates. And at the same time, you have felt free to continue to try to prove determinism, even though it is very much in doubt at a fundamental level. Frankly, I'm a little caught off guard, here.
In any case Angelica
"Quantum mechanics predicts events only in terms of probabilities, casting doubt on whether the universe is deterministic at all. However, if an action is taken due to quantum randomness, this in itself, means that free will is still absent, as such action can not be controllable by someone claiming to posses such free will" - Wikipedia
That's where I stand on quantum indeterminism vs macro determinism. But I don't "believe" quantum indeterminism as much as you do either.
I necessarily have the passion for writing this, and you have the passion for condemning me; both of us are equally fools, equally the toys of destiny. Your nature is to do harm, mine is to love truth, and to make it public in spite of you. - Voltaire
"Quantum mechanics predicts events only in terms of probabilities, casting doubt on whether the universe is deterministic at all. However, if an action is taken due to quantum randomness, this in itself, means that free will is still absent, as such action can not be controllable by someone claiming to posses such free will" - Wikipedia
That's where I stand on quantum indeterminism vs macro determinism. But I don't "believe" quantum indeterminism as much as you do either.
I'm not really concerned with what you believe.
"The opposite of a fact is falsehood, but the opposite of one profound truth may very well be another profound truth." ~ Niels Bohr
We are talking about beliefs. Quantum mechanics is not as cut and dry as you make it out to be.
I necessarily have the passion for writing this, and you have the passion for condemning me; both of us are equally fools, equally the toys of destiny. Your nature is to do harm, mine is to love truth, and to make it public in spite of you. - Voltaire
Well, there is a particular reason that bullets are made to be small. When calculating force, the impact area is extremely important. If you have a force of 3 kilojoules, the impact area is 5 cubic milimeters, then the impact force is roughly 600 joules per cubic milimeter, whereas if the impact area was 1 cubic milimter, with a force of 3 kilojoules, then the impact force is 3 kilojoules per cubic milimeter, as force is dispersed over impact area. Thus, the force required for two planets to cause a black-hole would be exponentially greater than the force required for two protons to make a black-hole.
I don't know if I'm being picky but how do you produce a black hole from smashing two planets together?
Progress is not made by everyone joining some new fad,
and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
over specific principles, goals, and policies.
I don't know if I'm being picky but how do you produce a black hole from smashing two planets together?
I'm not saying you can, I'm not saying you can do it with protons either. That's yet to be discovered.
I necessarily have the passion for writing this, and you have the passion for condemning me; both of us are equally fools, equally the toys of destiny. Your nature is to do harm, mine is to love truth, and to make it public in spite of you. - Voltaire
And your view of determinism is not as cut and dry as you make it out to be.
Actually it pretty much is, and if you asked Einstein, Bell or Bohr, they'd probably tell you the same thing I would.
I necessarily have the passion for writing this, and you have the passion for condemning me; both of us are equally fools, equally the toys of destiny. Your nature is to do harm, mine is to love truth, and to make it public in spite of you. - Voltaire
reading through this thread, i now no longer wonder why i am as misanthropic as i am nor why solipsism holds such appeal for me.
Has it affected your drinking habits yet?
Progress is not made by everyone joining some new fad,
and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
over specific principles, goals, and policies.
No , it's not, it just gives instructions to muscles to creat mevemnt. My father would not have spent 13yr in a wheelchair after his stroke if the mind was that powerful.
I'm not saying you can, I'm not saying you can do it with protons either. That's yet to be discovered.
As long as science keeps splitting various atoms open and looking around inside them, I'll be more than happy to read about it.
Progress is not made by everyone joining some new fad,
and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
over specific principles, goals, and policies.
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You choose not to read the clock. That's it. That's all you're doing.
Nothing to do with the existance of time or not... you choose to do your chores at whenever you want. Big deal. I sleep til noon on Saturday... by my choosing. Therefore, time ceases to exist for the rest of the world? I think not.
But, whatever. Go ahead and choose not to believe in time... we have people here who believe they are ancestors of aliens cross-bred with humans... it's a free country.
i never said i didn't believe in time. i said nobody can prove the existance of time. time is a belief; like God. we believe time exists but it can't be proven.
i never said i didn't believe in time. i said nobody can prove the existance of time. time is a belief; like God. we believe time exists but it can't be proven.
Bullshit!
I necessarily have the passion for writing this, and you have the passion for condemning me; both of us are equally fools, equally the toys of destiny. Your nature is to do harm, mine is to love truth, and to make it public in spite of you. - Voltaire
Progress is not made by everyone joining some new fad,
and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
over specific principles, goals, and policies.
No , it's not, it just gives instructions to muscles to creat mevemnt. My father would not have spent 13yr in a wheelchair after his stroke if the mind was that powerful.
Mind influences mind, but not physical objects.
after my stroke and subsequent brain surgery; my family was told that if i ever come out of the coma; i'd be a vegetable the rest of my life. he told them to wait 3 days and if i survive; to start making arrangements with a home.
the mind can do great things but you must teach it how.
and you can't teach a closed mind.
i never said i didn't believe in time. i said nobody can prove the existance of time. time is a belief; like God. we believe time exists but it can't be proven.
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Not quite the same...
Saying you believe that time exists is like saying you believe air exists.
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You simply do not apply the clock to your life... that's all. Nothing philosophical about that.
Allen Fieldhouse, home of the 2008 NCAA men's Basketball Champions! Go Jayhawks!
Hail, Hail!!!
No , it's not, it just gives instructions to muscles to creat mevemnt. My father would not have spent 13yr in a wheelchair after his stroke if the mind was that powerful.
Mind influences mind, but not physical objects.
Um......doesn't matter if the brain does give instruction to perfectly healthy muscle if the nerves don't work.
Sad about your Dad lucy, I'm very sorry to hear it. :(
But mental determination can play a part in the outcome for a patient.
Perhaps not leaping out of a wheelchair in all cases, but certainly there are things that can be improved physically with the use of brain power.
after my stroke and subsequent brain surgery; my family was told that if i ever come out of the coma; i'd be a vegetable the rest of my life. he told them to wait 3 days and if i survive; to start making arrangements with a home.
the mind can do great things but you must teach it how.
and you can't teach a closed mind.
Whoa, dude sorry to hear about that. Well...hey...you're still here kickin' it...
Progress is not made by everyone joining some new fad,
and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
over specific principles, goals, and policies.
"[Niels]Bohr (1949) drew attention to the limits of human reason by citing what he referred to as an “old saying.” According to that old saying, there are two kinds of truths: one kind is an ordinary truth, which is so simple and clear that its opposite is obviously false, while the other kind is a deep truth, whose opposite is also a deep truth."
"The opposite of a fact is falsehood, but the opposite of one profound truth may very well be another profound truth." ~ Niels Bohr
I see, yet again, that some of us are completely unable to be respectful and accepting of other people's points of view. Frankly it's rather pathetic and tiresome. So as this appears to be degenerating into yet another pissing contest, I'm out!
Shame. Again!
Some of us do seem able to discuss things respectful of differing views, but yet again, who's hanging around for the BULLSHIT!!! THE REAL BULLSHIT!!!
Good night, I'm off back to bed, hopefully a sleep will help get the bad taste out of my mouth and the vile vibe out of my mind.
Um......doesn't matter if the brain does give instruction to perfectly healthy muscle if the nerves don't work.
Sad about your Dad lucy, I'm very sorry to hear it. :(
But mental determination can play a part in the outcome for a patient.
Perhaps not leaping out of a wheelchair in all cases, but certainly there are things that can be improved physically with the use of brain power.
I agree that attitude and determination play a huge role in prognosis, but that is not the same as saying that the mind can control things when there is no connection, as you have pointed out, knowing it the hard way.
With regard to Roland, teh family always gets the worst case prognosis when some-one blows an aneurysm, based on what has happened beofre. There is a lot owe still have to learn about brain plasticity and the ability for healing and relearning. I certainly hope you have deomnstarted a lot of brain plasticity, for your sake. No-one is happier than teh doctors when their gloomy prognoses are wrong.
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If 'Misanthropic' means 'Damn Sexy' and 'Solipsism' means 'Running Naked Through a Field' then, it's all been worth it.
ahaha "hot and sexy running naked through a field"...yes...thinking along these lines can definitely be described very aptly in such a manner...
Progress is not made by everyone joining some new fad,
and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
over specific principles, goals, and policies.
Now, as for solipsism, read Mrs Dalloway or The Waves by Virginia Woolf. Her characters are alienated from everything but their own desperately clutched excrement.
Now, as for solipsism, read Mrs Dalloway or The Waves by Virginia Woolf. Her characters are alienated from everything but their own desperately clutched excrement.
Is any of this stuff factual?
I necessarily have the passion for writing this, and you have the passion for condemning me; both of us are equally fools, equally the toys of destiny. Your nature is to do harm, mine is to love truth, and to make it public in spite of you. - Voltaire
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you lost me on this one...
and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
over specific principles, goals, and policies.
http://i36.tinypic.com/66j31x.jpg
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You choose not to read the clock. That's it. That's all you're doing.
Nothing to do with the existance of time or not... you choose to do your chores at whenever you want. Big deal. I sleep til noon on Saturday... by my choosing. Therefore, time ceases to exist for the rest of the world? I think not.
But, whatever. Go ahead and choose not to believe in time... we have people here who believe they are ancestors of aliens cross-bred with humans... it's a free country.
Hail, Hail!!!
In any case Angelica
"Quantum mechanics predicts events only in terms of probabilities, casting doubt on whether the universe is deterministic at all. However, if an action is taken due to quantum randomness, this in itself, means that free will is still absent, as such action can not be controllable by someone claiming to posses such free will" - Wikipedia
That's where I stand on quantum indeterminism vs macro determinism. But I don't "believe" quantum indeterminism as much as you do either.
Whether you understand or not, all that matters to me is that I now know and understand this.
Don't worry, I'll adjust my arguments based on this new understanding and I'll gladly demystify the subject when the need arises.
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We are talking about beliefs. Quantum mechanics is not as cut and dry as you make it out to be.
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I don't know if I'm being picky but how do you produce a black hole from smashing two planets together?
and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
over specific principles, goals, and policies.
http://i36.tinypic.com/66j31x.jpg
(\__/)
( o.O)
(")_(")
I'm not saying you can, I'm not saying you can do it with protons either. That's yet to be discovered.
Actually it pretty much is, and if you asked Einstein, Bell or Bohr, they'd probably tell you the same thing I would.
take a good look
this could be the day
hold my hand
lie beside me
i just need to say
Damn girl!!! Let me just go find the dictionary!!!
Some think music please...............................;)
*~You're IT Bert!~*
Hold on to the thread
The currents will shift
If 'Misanthropic' means 'Damn Sexy' and 'Solipsism' means 'Running Naked Through a Field' then, it's all been worth it.
Hail, Hail!!!
Has it affected your drinking habits yet?
and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
over specific principles, goals, and policies.
http://i36.tinypic.com/66j31x.jpg
(\__/)
( o.O)
(")_(")
No , it's not, it just gives instructions to muscles to creat mevemnt. My father would not have spent 13yr in a wheelchair after his stroke if the mind was that powerful.
Mind influences mind, but not physical objects.
As long as science keeps splitting various atoms open and looking around inside them, I'll be more than happy to read about it.
and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
over specific principles, goals, and policies.
http://i36.tinypic.com/66j31x.jpg
(\__/)
( o.O)
(")_(")
i never said i didn't believe in time. i said nobody can prove the existance of time. time is a belief; like God. we believe time exists but it can't be proven.
Bullshit!
http://search.cpan.org/src/MJD/txt2slides/Example-2/bullshit.jpg
and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
over specific principles, goals, and policies.
http://i36.tinypic.com/66j31x.jpg
(\__/)
( o.O)
(")_(")
after my stroke and subsequent brain surgery; my family was told that if i ever come out of the coma; i'd be a vegetable the rest of my life. he told them to wait 3 days and if i survive; to start making arrangements with a home.
the mind can do great things but you must teach it how.
and you can't teach a closed mind.
Let's just hope that dude in Iran is not a scientist !!
Not quite the same...
Saying you believe that time exists is like saying you believe air exists.
...
You simply do not apply the clock to your life... that's all. Nothing philosophical about that.
Hail, Hail!!!
Um......doesn't matter if the brain does give instruction to perfectly healthy muscle if the nerves don't work.
Sad about your Dad lucy, I'm very sorry to hear it. :(
But mental determination can play a part in the outcome for a patient.
Perhaps not leaping out of a wheelchair in all cases, but certainly there are things that can be improved physically with the use of brain power.
*~You're IT Bert!~*
Hold on to the thread
The currents will shift
Whoa, dude sorry to hear about that. Well...hey...you're still here kickin' it...
and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
over specific principles, goals, and policies.
http://i36.tinypic.com/66j31x.jpg
(\__/)
( o.O)
(")_(")
http://www.myspace.com/illuminatta
Rhinocerous Surprise '08!!!
Shame. Again!
Some of us do seem able to discuss things respectful of differing views, but yet again, who's hanging around for the BULLSHIT!!! THE REAL BULLSHIT!!!
Good night, I'm off back to bed, hopefully a sleep will help get the bad taste out of my mouth and the vile vibe out of my mind.
*~You're IT Bert!~*
Hold on to the thread
The currents will shift
I agree that attitude and determination play a huge role in prognosis, but that is not the same as saying that the mind can control things when there is no connection, as you have pointed out, knowing it the hard way.
With regard to Roland, teh family always gets the worst case prognosis when some-one blows an aneurysm, based on what has happened beofre. There is a lot owe still have to learn about brain plasticity and the ability for healing and relearning. I certainly hope you have deomnstarted a lot of brain plasticity, for your sake. No-one is happier than teh doctors when their gloomy prognoses are wrong.
ahaha "hot and sexy running naked through a field"...yes...thinking along these lines can definitely be described very aptly in such a manner...
and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
over specific principles, goals, and policies.
http://i36.tinypic.com/66j31x.jpg
(\__/)
( o.O)
(")_(")
http://www.bibliomania.com/0/6/4/1967/frameset.html
It'll only take you an hour. It's in translation, too. Count yourself lucky. I was tempted to link you the French text.
If you want an example of another misanthrope, here you go. Read this:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Steppenwolf_%28novel%29
Now, as for solipsism, read Mrs Dalloway or The Waves by Virginia Woolf. Her characters are alienated from everything but their own desperately clutched excrement.
Is any of this stuff factual?