thats twice you've used that 'joke'.... and twice it was shit
well then imagine the humiliation when i took your beloved gun off you wearing a skirt... point and mock, point and mock
it's no "joke". it's true isn't it?
so where is the wilderness in scottland? where is the open range where the gun is only a tool needed to produce food for your nation? IMO; you talk like you've got a paper arsehole. you compare the conditions of life in one small country and without knowledge of another; you try to force your views which do not apply to the second country. laws relevant in NYC do not apply to the conditions in say elko nevada. what works for you will not work here. if innocent people in america were disarmed; america would need to become a police state to protect the citizens from the criminals who would then rule the country. it would take gestapo like tactics to disarm americans which again; is a violation of rights.
live in your perfect world and feel safe there. but banning guns in america is like trying to ban alcohol in scottland.
it says you have the right to bear arms.. not ammunition.
i load my own ammunition.
edit: it also says for the purpose of defending the country against invaders and a rouge government. a reasonable person would know that means ammunition to opperate the weapon is included.
edit: it also says for the purpose of defending the country against invaders and a rouge government. a reasonable person would know that means ammunition to opperate the weapon is included.
for criminy's sake, festus, you are not who you are for a piece of metal.
get that through your thick, stupid, buffalo skull.
so where is the wilderness in scottland? where is the open range where the gun is only a tool needed to produce food for your nation? IMO; you talk like you've got a paper arsehole. you compare the conditions of life in one small country and without knowledge of another; you try to force your views which do not apply to the second country. laws relevant in NYC do not apply to the conditions in say elko nevada. what works for you will not work here. if innocent people in america were disarmed; america would need to become a police state to protect the citizens from the criminals who would then rule the country. it would take gestapo like tactics to disarm americans which again; is a violation of rights.
live in your perfect world and feel safe there. but banning guns in america is like trying to ban alcohol in scottland.
1. a kilt is like a skirt.. which wraps around the waist. a dress is full-length... so wrong unfortunately
2. unfortunately your oafish education highlights your failure to grasp common knowledge geography and other countries cultures... i.e. you keep calling it Scottland and me a Scott... it has no double 't'.. its Scotland as clearly stated on my location
3. Where is the wilderness in Scotland...?? again Scotland is famous worldwide for its mountains, forests, open land, scenery, lochs, fishing, hunting, etc etc... we invented wilderness (along with many many other things considering we are a piss-ant country :rolleyes: )
oh scary... 40000 morbidly obese christians wearing fanny packs invading europe is probably the least scariest thing since I watched an edited version of The Care Bears movie in an extremely brightly lit cinema.
edit: it also says for the purpose of defending the country against invaders and a rouge government.
French Communists
sorry, i had to
oh scary... 40000 morbidly obese christians wearing fanny packs invading europe is probably the least scariest thing since I watched an edited version of The Care Bears movie in an extremely brightly lit cinema.
a reasonable person would know that means ammunition to opperate the weapon is included.
wrong... a reasonable person would have to assume that... and assumption isnt a 'right'
assumption also relies on aforementioned person being "reasonable"... and was VTech shooter reasonable? no
oh scary... 40000 morbidly obese christians wearing fanny packs invading europe is probably the least scariest thing since I watched an edited version of The Care Bears movie in an extremely brightly lit cinema.
for criminy's sake, festus, you are not who you are for a piece of metal.
get that through your thick, stupid, buffalo skull.
well bevis; when working with buffalo; you can be killed before you knew what hit you. the same dangers apply to cows but cows can't outrun a horse or jump 6 feet in the air. when working with them we use a .22 with birdshot as a control tool. it isn't needed often but it'll save your life. when rounding up animals from the open range; you are subject to other dangers such as mountain lions. i've seen one rip the face off a horse. we have wolves; bears; snakes; coyotes; and a score of other animals we must protect ourselves against.
my point here is that america is like one country with several other countries within it. what works in your world doesn't necessesarily work in mine. you sit here and discuss how you want to alter my world yet if i talk about altering your's you get all up in arms. so forgive me when you talk about taking away my occupation and i get upset.
well bevis; when working with buffalo; you can be killed before you knew what hit you. the same dangers apply to cows but cows can't outrun a horse or jump 6 feet in the air. when working with them we use a .22 with birdshot as a control tool. it isn't needed often but it'll save your life. when rounding up animals from the open range; you are subject to other dangers such as mountain lions. i've seen one rip the face off a horse. we have wolves; bears; snakes; coyotes; and a score of other animals we must protect ourselves against.
my point here is that america is like one country with several other countries within it. what works in your world doesn't necessesarily work in mine. you sit here and discuss how you want to alter my world yet if i talk about altering your's you get all up in arms. so forgive me when you talk about taking away my occupation and i get upset.
You don't have wolves in arizona.
in any case the point i was making is that, that it may be a tool of the trade, it does not a human being make.
1. a kilt is like a skirt.. which wraps around the waist. a dress is full-length... so wrong unfortunately
2. unfortunately your oafish education highlights your failure to grasp common knowledge geography and other countries cultures... i.e. you keep calling it Scottland and me a Scott... it has no double 't'.. its Scotland as clearly stated on my location
3. Where is the wilderness in Scotland...?? again Scotland is famous worldwide for its mountains, forests, open land, scenery, lochs, fishing, hunting, etc etc... we invented wilderness (along with many many other things considering we are a piss-ant country :rolleyes: )
a skirt is a type of dress.
so i mispell; look at some of the other posters. i have no reason to think about scoTland thus no need to perfect the spelling
yes; the scoTs have stripped the country of dangerous animals and doesn't have need for personal protection. it's a different situation here and that needs to be taken into consideration.
in any case the point i was making is that, that it may be a tool of the trade, it does not a human being make.
wolves were reintroduced many years ago. try to keep up. my nevada ranch has an over population of wolves. people in idaho are trying to pass legislation to start shooting wolves because of the over-population and damage they are doing.
yes; the scoTs have stripped the country of dangerous animals and doesn't have need for personal protection. it's a different situation here and that needs to be taken into consideration.
make up your mind
either your gun is for hunting and for protection against wild animals or its a tool used to fight a rogue government... or against criminals... or whatever it is that you can mould to fit your viewpoint
not many inner city people who legally own a gun have the need to shoot a mountain lion
oh scary... 40000 morbidly obese christians wearing fanny packs invading europe is probably the least scariest thing since I watched an edited version of The Care Bears movie in an extremely brightly lit cinema.
in any case the point i was making is that, that it may be a tool of the trade, it does not a human being make.
i agree. a person is only worth the sum of their merits. to those who know me; my hunanitarian work speaks for itself. but what we are discussing is taking away a tool i need. i'd never be able to hire ranch hands twice a year if they couldn't protect themselves. i guess when you're willing to pay $30/pound for burger we could make your plan work.
either your gun is for hunting and for protection against wild animals or its a tool used to fight a rogue government... or against criminals... or whatever it is that you can mould to fit your viewpoint
not many inner city people who legally own a gun have the need to shoot a mountain lion
i use a knife to cut meat. i also use it to cut bread. i may also use it to cut rope. one tool has many purposes.
i use a knife to cut meat. i also use it to cut bread. i may also use it to cut rope. one tool has many purposes.
but your 'right' to have it is only to form a well regulated militia.... and even then it makes no mention of ammunition
oh scary... 40000 morbidly obese christians wearing fanny packs invading europe is probably the least scariest thing since I watched an edited version of The Care Bears movie in an extremely brightly lit cinema.
but your 'right' to have it is only to form a well regulated militia.... and even then it makes no mention of ammunition
You should quit. You've gone down this road before, and your understanding of early American history is sorely lacking. Read the writings of the founders. Understand what they were trying to accomplish. Understand what is meant by a well regulated militia. Understand who "the people" are, and why "the people" were talked about in the the 1st, 2nd, 4th, etc... amendments. Then explain to me how "the people" doesn't really apply in the 2nd.
"I'll use the magic word - let's just shut the fuck up, please." EV, 04/13/08
but your 'right' to have it is only to form a well regulated militia.... and even then it makes no mention of ammunition
"To preserve liberty, it is essential that the whole body of people always possess arms, and be taught alike especially when young, how to use them." (Richard Henery Lee, 1788, Initiator of the Declaration of Independence, and member of the first Senate, which passed the Bill of Rights.)
how can you be taught to use them without ammunition?
"What, Sir, is the use of a militia? It is to prevent the establishment of a standing army, the bane of liberty. Whenever Governments mean to invade the rights and liberties of the people, they always attempt to destroy the militia, in order to raise an army upon their ruins." (Rep. Elbridge Gerry of Massachusetts, spoken during floor debate over the Second Amendment)
i've got a big meat delivery so i'll be gone a bit. i'll come back and check your answer when the customer leaves.
"To preserve liberty, it is essential that the whole body of people always possess arms, and be taught alike especially when young, how to use them." (Richard Henery Lee, 1788, Initiator of the Declaration of Independence, and member of the first Senate, which passed the Bill of Rights.)
1788... you not got anything more eh..... modern?
to put it into context, here are other notable 1788 events!!!
Isaac Briggs and William Longstreet patent the steamboat...
11 ships of First Fleet from Botany Bay led by Arthur Phillip land in what would become Sydney, Australia. Great Britain establishes the prison colony of New South Wales, the first permanent European settlement on the continent.
Henry Benedict Stuart becomes the new Stuart claimant to the throne of Great Britain as King Henry IX and the figurehead of Jacobitism.
ancient history... and yet you are using a 1788 law or right to affirm your stance... well in that case where are my slaves? i want ithem back.. it was my right prior to 1776 in Scotland... hey you guys had it right when some states didnt ban it up until 1865.
seems archaic looking back at it now
oh scary... 40000 morbidly obese christians wearing fanny packs invading europe is probably the least scariest thing since I watched an edited version of The Care Bears movie in an extremely brightly lit cinema.
to put it into context, here are other notable 1788 events!!!
Isaac Briggs and William Longstreet patent the steamboat...
11 ships of First Fleet from Botany Bay led by Arthur Phillip land in what would become Sydney, Australia. Great Britain establishes the prison colony of New South Wales, the first permanent European settlement on the continent.
Henry Benedict Stuart becomes the new Stuart claimant to the throne of Great Britain as King Henry IX and the figurehead of Jacobitism.
ancient history... and yet you are using a 1788 law or right to affirm your stance... well in that case where are my slaves? i want ithem back.. it was my right prior to 1776 in Scotland... hey you guys had it right when some states didnt ban it up until 1865.
seems archaic looking back at it now
Why don't you come to the US and fight against free speech too oh Wise One?
Why don't you come to the US and fight against free speech too oh Wise One?
because i'm all for Free Speech
i cant think of anyone who was killed by the sound produced by a vocal chord
although guys like MLKing used Free Speech and look what happened to him... shot by a retard.. how ironic
oh scary... 40000 morbidly obese christians wearing fanny packs invading europe is probably the least scariest thing since I watched an edited version of The Care Bears movie in an extremely brightly lit cinema.
i cant think of anyone who was killed by the sound produced by a vocal chord
although guys like MLKing used Free Speech and look what happened to him... shot by a retard.. how ironic
You seem to be against laws from the time of the writing of our Constitution. Maybe you really aren't though. Maybe you just haven't studied the beginnings of our country all that much.
You seem to be against laws from the time of the writing of our Constitution. Maybe you really aren't though. Maybe you just haven't studied the beginnings of our country all that much.
do you truly have Freedom of Speech???
While personal freedom of speech is usually respected, freedom of press and mass publishing encounter some restrictions. Some of the recent issues include:
* United States military censoring blogs written by military personnel.
* The Federal Communications Commission censoring television and radio, citing obscenity, e.g., Howard Stern and Opie and Anthony (Though the FCC only has the power to regulate over the air broadcasts and not cable or satellite television or satellite radio).
* Scientology suppressing criticism, citing freedom of religion, e.g., Keith Henson.
As of 2005, United States was ranked 44th of 167 countries in annual Worldwide Press Freedom Index by Reporters Without Borders. In the 2006 index the United States has fallen nine places and is now ranked 53rd of 168 countries.
and at number 43 on that list .... Republic of China (Taiwan)
damn commie press has more freedom of speech
oh scary... 40000 morbidly obese christians wearing fanny packs invading europe is probably the least scariest thing since I watched an edited version of The Care Bears movie in an extremely brightly lit cinema.
While personal freedom of speech is usually respected, freedom of press and mass publishing encounter some restrictions. Some of the recent issues include:
* United States military censoring blogs written by military personnel.
* The Federal Communications Commission censoring television and radio, citing obscenity, e.g., Howard Stern and Opie and Anthony (Though the FCC only has the power to regulate over the air broadcasts and not cable or satellite television or satellite radio).
* Scientology suppressing criticism, citing freedom of religion, e.g., Keith Henson.
As of 2005, United States was ranked 44th of 167 countries in annual Worldwide Press Freedom Index by Reporters Without Borders. In the 2006 index the United States has fallen nine places and is now ranked 53rd of 168 countries.
and at number 43 on that list .... Republic of China (Taiwan)
to put it into context, here are other notable 1788 events!!!
Isaac Briggs and William Longstreet patent the steamboat...
11 ships of First Fleet from Botany Bay led by Arthur Phillip land in what would become Sydney, Australia. Great Britain establishes the prison colony of New South Wales, the first permanent European settlement on the continent.
Henry Benedict Stuart becomes the new Stuart claimant to the throne of Great Britain as King Henry IX and the figurehead of Jacobitism.
ancient history... and yet you are using a 1788 law or right to affirm your stance... well in that case where are my slaves? i want ithem back.. it was my right prior to 1776 in Scotland... hey you guys had it right when some states didnt ban it up until 1865.
seems archaic looking back at it now
murder; stealing; and many other laws have been around for thousands of years. ancient history. let's change those laws too.
your argument actually proves the law has stood the test of time. more reason for keeping it.
While personal freedom of speech is usually respected, freedom of press and mass publishing encounter some restrictions. Some of the recent issues include:
* United States military censoring blogs written by military personnel.
* The Federal Communications Commission censoring television and radio, citing obscenity, e.g., Howard Stern and Opie and Anthony (Though the FCC only has the power to regulate over the air broadcasts and not cable or satellite television or satellite radio).
* Scientology suppressing criticism, citing freedom of religion, e.g., Keith Henson.
As of 2005, United States was ranked 44th of 167 countries in annual Worldwide Press Freedom Index by Reporters Without Borders. In the 2006 index the United States has fallen nine places and is now ranked 53rd of 168 countries.
and at number 43 on that list .... Republic of China (Taiwan)
damn commie press has more freedom of speech
I will agree that we don't have as much freedom of speech as I would like but this does nothing to bolster your argument for repealing our whole Constitution because it is old. The 10th Amendment has been thrown out as well.
What does freedom of speech have to do with the freedom to bear arms?
Freedom of speech is something universal (in the sence that speech is the same today than it was in 1788), arms are not (I wonder if your founding fathers would have been so confident had there been automatic assault weapons in that day)
Freedom of speech has become a warped idea today. Look around this board and you can see a bunch of people who think it includes the right to be heard and the right to not be offended. It is an individual right that, for some reason, the majority of people seem to believe that they are the only ones who possess it.
Freedom of speech has become a warped idea today. Look around this board and you can see a bunch of people who think it includes the right to be heard and the right to not be offended. It is an individual right that, for some reason, the majority of people seem to believe that they are the only ones who possess it.
What does freedom of speech have to do with the freedom to bear arms?
Freedom of speech is something universal (in the sence that speech is the same today than it was in 1788), arms are not (I wonder if your founding fathers would have been so confident had there been automatic assault weapons in that day)
Read the original post that brought this up. The Scottish one was arguing to rid our country of our Constitution.
You seem to be against laws from the time of the writing of our Constitution. Maybe you really aren't though. Maybe you just haven't studied the beginnings of our country all that much.
maybe the scots don't have a constitution or similar bases on which describes the countries beliefs and law. maybe they just wing it when the pubs are closed.
murder; stealing; and many other laws have been around for thousands of years. ancient history. let's change those laws too.
they have been around but you fail to recognise that they have been amended, changed, moulded, to fit the current ways in which we live... the laws are pliable... but they have all been updated within the last 50 years or so
oh scary... 40000 morbidly obese christians wearing fanny packs invading europe is probably the least scariest thing since I watched an edited version of The Care Bears movie in an extremely brightly lit cinema.
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it's no "joke". it's true isn't it?
so where is the wilderness in scottland? where is the open range where the gun is only a tool needed to produce food for your nation? IMO; you talk like you've got a paper arsehole. you compare the conditions of life in one small country and without knowledge of another; you try to force your views which do not apply to the second country. laws relevant in NYC do not apply to the conditions in say elko nevada. what works for you will not work here. if innocent people in america were disarmed; america would need to become a police state to protect the citizens from the criminals who would then rule the country. it would take gestapo like tactics to disarm americans which again; is a violation of rights.
live in your perfect world and feel safe there. but banning guns in america is like trying to ban alcohol in scottland.
i load my own ammunition.
edit: it also says for the purpose of defending the country against invaders and a rouge government. a reasonable person would know that means ammunition to opperate the weapon is included.
for criminy's sake, festus, you are not who you are for a piece of metal.
get that through your thick, stupid, buffalo skull.
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1. a kilt is like a skirt.. which wraps around the waist. a dress is full-length... so wrong unfortunately
2. unfortunately your oafish education highlights your failure to grasp common knowledge geography and other countries cultures... i.e. you keep calling it Scottland and me a Scott... it has no double 't'.. its Scotland as clearly stated on my location
3. Where is the wilderness in Scotland...?? again Scotland is famous worldwide for its mountains, forests, open land, scenery, lochs, fishing, hunting, etc etc... we invented wilderness (along with many many other things considering we are a piss-ant country :rolleyes: )
French Communists
sorry, i had to
wrong... a reasonable person would have to assume that... and assumption isnt a 'right'
assumption also relies on aforementioned person being "reasonable"... and was VTech shooter reasonable? no
well bevis; when working with buffalo; you can be killed before you knew what hit you. the same dangers apply to cows but cows can't outrun a horse or jump 6 feet in the air. when working with them we use a .22 with birdshot as a control tool. it isn't needed often but it'll save your life. when rounding up animals from the open range; you are subject to other dangers such as mountain lions. i've seen one rip the face off a horse. we have wolves; bears; snakes; coyotes; and a score of other animals we must protect ourselves against.
my point here is that america is like one country with several other countries within it. what works in your world doesn't necessesarily work in mine. you sit here and discuss how you want to alter my world yet if i talk about altering your's you get all up in arms. so forgive me when you talk about taking away my occupation and i get upset.
You don't have wolves in arizona.
in any case the point i was making is that, that it may be a tool of the trade, it does not a human being make.
all posts by ©gue_barium are protected under US copyright law and are not to be reproduced, exchanged or sold
except by express written permission of ©gue_barium, the author.
a skirt is a type of dress.
so i mispell; look at some of the other posters. i have no reason to think about scoTland thus no need to perfect the spelling
yes; the scoTs have stripped the country of dangerous animals and doesn't have need for personal protection. it's a different situation here and that needs to be taken into consideration.
wolves were reintroduced many years ago. try to keep up. my nevada ranch has an over population of wolves. people in idaho are trying to pass legislation to start shooting wolves because of the over-population and damage they are doing.
make up your mind
either your gun is for hunting and for protection against wild animals or its a tool used to fight a rogue government... or against criminals... or whatever it is that you can mould to fit your viewpoint
not many inner city people who legally own a gun have the need to shoot a mountain lion
i agree. a person is only worth the sum of their merits. to those who know me; my hunanitarian work speaks for itself. but what we are discussing is taking away a tool i need. i'd never be able to hire ranch hands twice a year if they couldn't protect themselves. i guess when you're willing to pay $30/pound for burger we could make your plan work.
i use a knife to cut meat. i also use it to cut bread. i may also use it to cut rope. one tool has many purposes.
but your 'right' to have it is only to form a well regulated militia.... and even then it makes no mention of ammunition
You should quit. You've gone down this road before, and your understanding of early American history is sorely lacking. Read the writings of the founders. Understand what they were trying to accomplish. Understand what is meant by a well regulated militia. Understand who "the people" are, and why "the people" were talked about in the the 1st, 2nd, 4th, etc... amendments. Then explain to me how "the people" doesn't really apply in the 2nd.
"To preserve liberty, it is essential that the whole body of people always possess arms, and be taught alike especially when young, how to use them." (Richard Henery Lee, 1788, Initiator of the Declaration of Independence, and member of the first Senate, which passed the Bill of Rights.)
how can you be taught to use them without ammunition?
"What, Sir, is the use of a militia? It is to prevent the establishment of a standing army, the bane of liberty. Whenever Governments mean to invade the rights and liberties of the people, they always attempt to destroy the militia, in order to raise an army upon their ruins." (Rep. Elbridge Gerry of Massachusetts, spoken during floor debate over the Second Amendment)
i've got a big meat delivery so i'll be gone a bit. i'll come back and check your answer when the customer leaves.
1788... you not got anything more eh..... modern?
to put it into context, here are other notable 1788 events!!!
Isaac Briggs and William Longstreet patent the steamboat...
11 ships of First Fleet from Botany Bay led by Arthur Phillip land in what would become Sydney, Australia. Great Britain establishes the prison colony of New South Wales, the first permanent European settlement on the continent.
Henry Benedict Stuart becomes the new Stuart claimant to the throne of Great Britain as King Henry IX and the figurehead of Jacobitism.
ancient history... and yet you are using a 1788 law or right to affirm your stance... well in that case where are my slaves? i want ithem back.. it was my right prior to 1776 in Scotland... hey you guys had it right when some states didnt ban it up until 1865.
seems archaic looking back at it now
Why don't you come to the US and fight against free speech too oh Wise One?
because i'm all for Free Speech
i cant think of anyone who was killed by the sound produced by a vocal chord
although guys like MLKing used Free Speech and look what happened to him... shot by a retard.. how ironic
You seem to be against laws from the time of the writing of our Constitution. Maybe you really aren't though. Maybe you just haven't studied the beginnings of our country all that much.
do you truly have Freedom of Speech???
While personal freedom of speech is usually respected, freedom of press and mass publishing encounter some restrictions. Some of the recent issues include:
* United States military censoring blogs written by military personnel.
* The Federal Communications Commission censoring television and radio, citing obscenity, e.g., Howard Stern and Opie and Anthony (Though the FCC only has the power to regulate over the air broadcasts and not cable or satellite television or satellite radio).
* Scientology suppressing criticism, citing freedom of religion, e.g., Keith Henson.
As of 2005, United States was ranked 44th of 167 countries in annual Worldwide Press Freedom Index by Reporters Without Borders. In the 2006 index the United States has fallen nine places and is now ranked 53rd of 168 countries.
and at number 43 on that list .... Republic of China (Taiwan)
damn commie press has more freedom of speech
Ask Imus if the U.S. truly has free speech ...
murder; stealing; and many other laws have been around for thousands of years. ancient history. let's change those laws too.
your argument actually proves the law has stood the test of time. more reason for keeping it.
I will agree that we don't have as much freedom of speech as I would like but this does nothing to bolster your argument for repealing our whole Constitution because it is old. The 10th Amendment has been thrown out as well.
Freedom of speech is something universal (in the sence that speech is the same today than it was in 1788), arms are not (I wonder if your founding fathers would have been so confident had there been automatic assault weapons in that day)
Freedom of speech has become a warped idea today. Look around this board and you can see a bunch of people who think it includes the right to be heard and the right to not be offended. It is an individual right that, for some reason, the majority of people seem to believe that they are the only ones who possess it.
True enough ...
Read the original post that brought this up. The Scottish one was arguing to rid our country of our Constitution.
maybe the scots don't have a constitution or similar bases on which describes the countries beliefs and law. maybe they just wing it when the pubs are closed.
they have been around but you fail to recognise that they have been amended, changed, moulded, to fit the current ways in which we live... the laws are pliable... but they have all been updated within the last 50 years or so