Well I've read a couple pages and the main argument for gun control is that some gun owners aren't responsible enough to have a gun. Some people have even said let's ban ALL guns.
The way I see it: if the gov't should ban all guns because a few people misuse them, then they would also have to ban marijuana, atv's, suv's, alcohol, sex, and every other fun thing on the planet.
If somebody wants to get a gun for murdering purposes, they are going to get a gun. People should be allowed to protect themselves. I myself hate guns, and would never own one. But it is in the Bill of Rights to own firearms.
When life gives you lemons, throw them at somebody.
No, it's because you are saying things that are completely wrong on so many levels that I don't want to waste my time trying to bring you up to speed. You are making emotionally driven arguments with no basis in fact.
If somebody wants to get a gun for murdering purposes, they are going to get a gun. People should be allowed to protect themselves. I myself hate guns, and would never own one. But it is in the Bill of Rights to own firearms.
And so America is headed back to teh days of teh wild west when every man had to carry a gun to survive, and deadly force ruled, and the quickest on teh draw lived to tell the tale.
Did it ever occur to any of you that that was not a great way to live ???? In armed defensive fear ????
No, it's because you are saying things that are completely wrong on so many levels that I don't want to waste my time trying to bring you up to speed. You are making emotionally driven arguments with no basis in fact.
Thank you, come again!
You believe shit like the quote in your signature so it is painfully obvious that you have no idea how the world works and therefore have no clue what the gun contol issue actually is. It isn't about taking away rights, it's about stopping stupid people form hurting themselves. If you have a handgun and I don't, I can guarantee you that you have a better chance of being shot than I do.
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Progress is not made by everyone joining some new fad,
and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
over specific principles, goals, and policies.
Here is my take… I have no problem with hunting rifles or hunting shotguns in the hands of the populace as long as there are strict controls on how to obtain them (such as those in place in Canada). A gun is a tool. Guns designed for hunting are very difficult to use to kill or injure a large number of people (yes they can be used to kill people, but a single shot bolt action hunting rifle would be very inefficient in killing many people very quickly). Assault rifles and hand guns on the other hand are tools designed specifically to kill or injure quickly and efficiently. The fact that they are used in incidents such as the Va Tech shootings, Columbine High School shootings (near where I grew up) or the Port Arthur Shootings (in Australia where I live now) should come as no surprise as these were tools being used in a manner they were designed for. The ease in which such guns are purchased is what is so terrifying.
The second amendment states that “A well regulated militia being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the People to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed.” The reason the second amendment was passed was so that a well-ordered militia could be formed to 1) protect the USA against foreign invaders or 2) rebel against the US government if indeed they tried to oppress American citizens. Today, #1 is irrelevant as the USA has the largest, best equipped, best trained, and best funded military in the world. We are not under the threat of invasion, nor is the average gun-owner in a “well-ordered militia” designed to protect our country at a moments notice. Reason #2 does hold some validity. However, the strength of America is based on a democratic government and capitalistic economy which provides power to the individuals in the country. The best way to prevent the country from oppressing its people is to maintain a stable government and economy so that individuals retain power and the government is kept in check by the people. Crime and mass shootings are more likely to undermine the stability of the economy and government, and therefore are actually detrimental to the initial goals of the second amendment. Finally, if the US government or military does decide to oppress its people using force, it will be doing so with guided missiles, attack helicopters, jet planes, predator drones, tanks and armored vehicles, artillery, etc.. Therefore, the only way the populace can fight back is to have similar equipment. If the second amendment were to truly serve its purpose, i.e. preventing government oppression, private citizens should be allowed to purchase heavy weaponry such as shoulder fired missiles, which would be capable of taking down an attack helicopter. However, I do not believe Americans desire to live in a society where weapons like shoulder fired missiles are available to the public (I know I do not want to live in such a society). Therefore it is probably about time that we contemplate the relevance of the second amendment in our society.
Sorry for the long post.
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And so America is headed back to teh days of teh wild west when every man had to carry a gun to survive, and deadly force ruled, and the quickest on teh draw lived to tell the tale.
Did it ever occur to any of you that that was not a great way to live ???? In armed defensive fear ????
That seems a little exadurated.........I love it when 1 event sparks a generalization of the US as a whole. The mass media has a way of drilling that fear into the minds of people, though. I could be wrong, but I'm willing to bet that most of the population does not fear being shot on a day to day basis nor do we wake up every morning thinking that there will be a gunfight wherever we go. I love it when people try to say that gun owners are promoting fear when anti-gun activists also try to generate fear by making statements, such as the quote above, out of pure ignorance.
I think gun registrants should have to pass a mandatory IQ test in the above average or higher range.
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Progress is not made by everyone joining some new fad,
and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
over specific principles, goals, and policies.
That seems a little exadurated.........I love it when 1 event sparks a generalization of the US as a whole. The mass media has a way of drilling that fear into the minds of people, though. I could be wrong, but I'm willing to bet that most of the population does not fear being shot on a day to day basis nor do we wake up every morning thinking that there will be a gunfight wherever we go. I love it when people try to say that gun owners are promoting fear when anti-gun activists also try to generate fear by making statements, such as the quote above, out of pure ignorance.
Handguns are illegal in my town (or at least were until the court fixed that problem). I probably have more of a chance of getting shot than people in places where the guns are extremely common. I don't fear it though. I just stay out of the bad neighborhoods to minimize my chances of being killed.
There's no reason to take guns away from all liberals like that.
lol... one of the first questions on the list should be "have you ever turned the back of your pickup truck into a swimming pool"
Progress is not made by everyone joining some new fad,
and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
over specific principles, goals, and policies.
There's no reason to take guns away from all liberals like that.
to post this.....as you knew what every liberal was thinking...."good idea..then all those that voted for Bush wouldn't be able to get a gun...pretty much eliminating guns in the US".
honestly, if it was feaseable to have a hot tub back there I'm game.
It'd make for one heck of an accessory at a tailgate party!
I rethink my original position....
Progress is not made by everyone joining some new fad,
and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
over specific principles, goals, and policies.
what are you worried about? obviously not failing it right? lol
Progress is not made by everyone joining some new fad,
and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
over specific principles, goals, and policies.
I might. My IQ is ~105, which is average. Meaning i wouldn't be allowed to have a gun.
...and you are above average? Lemme guess, 115? 120?
Officially I don't know. The internet ones peg me 120ish. Lemme tell you I don't always feel that way...quite the contrary. Far too much partying in my teenage years. My brother is genius level, and has a Phd.... but he never smoke or drank. I on the other hand, would make a good "don't do drugs" commercial for kids.
I had a shit load more fun growing up though. Ah... it's not that bad I guess. I keep telling myself that...
lol...
Progress is not made by everyone joining some new fad,
and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
over specific principles, goals, and policies.
That seems a little exadurated.........I love it when 1 event sparks a generalization of the US as a whole. The mass media has a way of drilling that fear into the minds of people, though. I could be wrong, but I'm willing to bet that most of the population does not fear being shot on a day to day basis nor do we wake up every morning thinking that there will be a gunfight wherever we go. I love it when people try to say that gun owners are promoting fear when anti-gun activists also try to generate fear by making statements, such as the quote above, out of pure ignorance.
OK, it's true that I don't live in teh US, and have to base my ideas on what I see in teh media. What I saw in teh media the other day was this.....
The gun shop owner who sold Cho his handgun lamenting the fact that there were 25 000 UNARMED students on the VT campus on the day of the shooting. When asked about the gun buy-back in Australia, he said "it broke my heart". He has zero remorse about providing the means of death for 32 people. He clearly has no intention of being more selective about who he sells guns to in the future.
Sorry if that blew me away. That attitude suggested pretty clearly that some people at lest, think that every adult should carry a gun every day.
OK, it's true that I don't live in teh US, and have to base my ideas on what I see in teh media. What I saw in teh media the other day was this.....
The gun shop owner who sold Cho his handgun lamenting the fact that there were 25 000 UNARMED students on the VT campus on the day of the shooting. When asked about the gun buy-back in Australia, he said "it broke my heart". He has zero remorse about providing the means of death for 32 people. He clearly has no intention of being more selective about who he sells guns to in the future.
Sorry if that blew me away. That attitude suggested pretty clearly that some people at lest, think that every adult should carry a gun every day.
If the gun shop owner had refused to sell a minority or a woman a gun, chances are he would be sued for discrimination and forced to close his shop because of spiraling legal fees.
If the gun shop owner had refused to sell a minority or a woman a gun, chances are he would be sued for discrimination and forced to close his shop because of spiraling legal fees.
Which comment actually gels with the racism thread. If he refused a white guy a gun cos he thought he was nuts, no drama. Refuse a minority, and it's discrimination, regardless of what other issues were at stake.
In any case, that issue was not raised. The dialogue was entirely about the issues I noted.
And so America is headed back to teh days of teh wild west when every man had to carry a gun to survive, and deadly force ruled, and the quickest on teh draw lived to tell the tale.
Did it ever occur to any of you that that was not a great way to live ???? In armed defensive fear ????
Yeah, you're right. We should just let the government take away everything that this country was founded on. Sounds good to me. That way, we can be just like the country the original people of this country left. (not the Indians, the English and Irish and those people.)
When life gives you lemons, throw them at somebody.
Yeah, you're right. We should just let the government take away everything that this country was founded on. Sounds good to me. That way, we can be just like the country the original people of this country left. (not the Indians, the English and Irish and those people.)
Hell they are walking all over other portions of the Constitution why exclude this amendment.
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it's not the wild wild west anymore. why do people feel the need to own guns in this day and age?
Simple:
I am handicapped and live alone. A gun is the only thing that can immediately level the playing field between a physically superior attacker and the victim.
Don't get me wrong though, I NEVER want to use it for self defense.
Simple:
I am handicapped and live alone. A gun is the only thing that can immediately level the playing field between a physically superior attacker and the victim.
Don't get me wrong though, I NEVER want to use it for self defense.
I would never want to use my gun, but I'm a young single woman who lives alone. I've got a great set of lungs to yell for help, but I'd rather not have to rely on other people coming to my defense.
Here's a story to spark a little more controversy, lol.
"A TEENAGER was shot three times when robbers burst into his home — to steal his Xbox."
Take a wild guess what country this was in! I find it funny how they talk about how "this is the sort of thing you'd expect in America"..........What a bunch of bullshit, from now on, I guess this is the sort of thing we should expect to happen in GB! Wait.........don't they have more strict gun laws than the US? Glad I don't live there...........they'll probably ban the XBOX now, lol. Anyways, here's the article. http://www.thesun.co.uk/article/0,,2-2007210244,00.html
Here's a story to spark a little more controversy, lol.
"A TEENAGER was shot three times when robbers burst into his home — to steal his Xbox."
Take a wild guess what country this was in! I find it funny how they talk about how "this is the sort of thing you'd expect in America"..........What a bunch of bullshit, from now on, I guess this is the sort of thing we should expect to happen in GB! Wait.........don't they have more strict gun laws than the US? Glad I don't live there...........they'll probably ban the XBOX now, lol. Anyways, here's the article. http://www.thesun.co.uk/article/0,,2-2007210244,00.html
you have 5 times the population of the UK and yet for every one story you find like that i could post 785 like that that happen daily in the States.
perhaps America should ban idiocy
oh scary... 40000 morbidly obese christians wearing fanny packs invading europe is probably the least scariest thing since I watched an edited version of The Care Bears movie in an extremely brightly lit cinema.
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The way I see it: if the gov't should ban all guns because a few people misuse them, then they would also have to ban marijuana, atv's, suv's, alcohol, sex, and every other fun thing on the planet.
So don't ban guns. Cuz guns are funz.
No, it's because you are saying things that are completely wrong on so many levels that I don't want to waste my time trying to bring you up to speed. You are making emotionally driven arguments with no basis in fact.
Thank you, come again!
And so America is headed back to teh days of teh wild west when every man had to carry a gun to survive, and deadly force ruled, and the quickest on teh draw lived to tell the tale.
Did it ever occur to any of you that that was not a great way to live ???? In armed defensive fear ????
You believe shit like the quote in your signature so it is painfully obvious that you have no idea how the world works and therefore have no clue what the gun contol issue actually is. It isn't about taking away rights, it's about stopping stupid people form hurting themselves. If you have a handgun and I don't, I can guarantee you that you have a better chance of being shot than I do.
smell that freedom baby....ahhhh
and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
over specific principles, goals, and policies.
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The second amendment states that “A well regulated militia being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the People to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed.” The reason the second amendment was passed was so that a well-ordered militia could be formed to 1) protect the USA against foreign invaders or 2) rebel against the US government if indeed they tried to oppress American citizens. Today, #1 is irrelevant as the USA has the largest, best equipped, best trained, and best funded military in the world. We are not under the threat of invasion, nor is the average gun-owner in a “well-ordered militia” designed to protect our country at a moments notice. Reason #2 does hold some validity. However, the strength of America is based on a democratic government and capitalistic economy which provides power to the individuals in the country. The best way to prevent the country from oppressing its people is to maintain a stable government and economy so that individuals retain power and the government is kept in check by the people. Crime and mass shootings are more likely to undermine the stability of the economy and government, and therefore are actually detrimental to the initial goals of the second amendment. Finally, if the US government or military does decide to oppress its people using force, it will be doing so with guided missiles, attack helicopters, jet planes, predator drones, tanks and armored vehicles, artillery, etc.. Therefore, the only way the populace can fight back is to have similar equipment. If the second amendment were to truly serve its purpose, i.e. preventing government oppression, private citizens should be allowed to purchase heavy weaponry such as shoulder fired missiles, which would be capable of taking down an attack helicopter. However, I do not believe Americans desire to live in a society where weapons like shoulder fired missiles are available to the public (I know I do not want to live in such a society). Therefore it is probably about time that we contemplate the relevance of the second amendment in our society.
Sorry for the long post.
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and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
over specific principles, goals, and policies.
http://i36.tinypic.com/66j31x.jpg
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Handguns are illegal in my town (or at least were until the court fixed that problem). I probably have more of a chance of getting shot than people in places where the guns are extremely common. I don't fear it though. I just stay out of the bad neighborhoods to minimize my chances of being killed.
There's no reason to take guns away from all liberals like that.
lol... one of the first questions on the list should be "have you ever turned the back of your pickup truck into a swimming pool"
and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
over specific principles, goals, and policies.
http://i36.tinypic.com/66j31x.jpg
(\__/)
( o.O)
(")_(")
honestly, if it was feaseable to have a hot tub back there I'm game.
to post this.....as you knew what every liberal was thinking...."good idea..then all those that voted for Bush wouldn't be able to get a gun...pretty much eliminating guns in the US".
It'd make for one heck of an accessory at a tailgate party!
I rethink my original position....
and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
over specific principles, goals, and policies.
http://i36.tinypic.com/66j31x.jpg
(\__/)
( o.O)
(")_(")
Hey buddy, that would be majorly not cool.
what are you worried about? obviously not failing it right? lol
and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
over specific principles, goals, and policies.
http://i36.tinypic.com/66j31x.jpg
(\__/)
( o.O)
(")_(")
I might. My IQ is ~105, which is average. Meaning i wouldn't be allowed to have a gun.
...and you are above average? Lemme guess, 115? 120?
Officially I don't know. The internet ones peg me 120ish. Lemme tell you I don't always feel that way...quite the contrary. Far too much partying in my teenage years. My brother is genius level, and has a Phd.... but he never smoke or drank. I on the other hand, would make a good "don't do drugs" commercial for kids.
I had a shit load more fun growing up though. Ah... it's not that bad I guess. I keep telling myself that...
lol...
and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
over specific principles, goals, and policies.
http://i36.tinypic.com/66j31x.jpg
(\__/)
( o.O)
(")_(")
OK, it's true that I don't live in teh US, and have to base my ideas on what I see in teh media. What I saw in teh media the other day was this.....
The gun shop owner who sold Cho his handgun lamenting the fact that there were 25 000 UNARMED students on the VT campus on the day of the shooting. When asked about the gun buy-back in Australia, he said "it broke my heart". He has zero remorse about providing the means of death for 32 people. He clearly has no intention of being more selective about who he sells guns to in the future.
Sorry if that blew me away. That attitude suggested pretty clearly that some people at lest, think that every adult should carry a gun every day.
If the gun shop owner had refused to sell a minority or a woman a gun, chances are he would be sued for discrimination and forced to close his shop because of spiraling legal fees.
Which comment actually gels with the racism thread. If he refused a white guy a gun cos he thought he was nuts, no drama. Refuse a minority, and it's discrimination, regardless of what other issues were at stake.
In any case, that issue was not raised. The dialogue was entirely about the issues I noted.
Hell they are walking all over other portions of the Constitution why exclude this amendment.
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Simple:
I am handicapped and live alone. A gun is the only thing that can immediately level the playing field between a physically superior attacker and the victim.
Don't get me wrong though, I NEVER want to use it for self defense.
I would never want to use my gun, but I'm a young single woman who lives alone. I've got a great set of lungs to yell for help, but I'd rather not have to rely on other people coming to my defense.
"A TEENAGER was shot three times when robbers burst into his home — to steal his Xbox."
Take a wild guess what country this was in! I find it funny how they talk about how "this is the sort of thing you'd expect in America"..........What a bunch of bullshit, from now on, I guess this is the sort of thing we should expect to happen in GB! Wait.........don't they have more strict gun laws than the US? Glad I don't live there...........they'll probably ban the XBOX now, lol. Anyways, here's the article.
http://www.thesun.co.uk/article/0,,2-2007210244,00.html
you have 5 times the population of the UK and yet for every one story you find like that i could post 785 like that that happen daily in the States.
perhaps America should ban idiocy