Ed's political rant

Eliot Rosewater

anyone have a link to the Relix article mentioned?

Pearl Jam and toast

even flow? wrote:

South of the border that makes up the country I live in.

plus, DC is in the maryland/virginia area which is basically the southern USA... borderline.

angelica

The actual quote is:

“I don’t think any Democrat or Republican is going to lead an antiwar movement until there is a shift in the polls that says that movement will be supported. If people are united, forceful and opinionated in letting their voice be heard and they support an antiwar candidate, then we will get one.”--Eddie Vedder.

I note the part that says: "If people are united, forceful and opinionated in letting their voice be heard and they support an antiwar candidate, then we will get one".

angelica

don't gimme no wrote:

anyone have a link to the Relix article mentioned?

Thanks to hippiemom: http://forums.pearljam.com/showthread.php?t=209336

surferdude

angelica wrote:

The actual quote is:

“I don’t think any Democrat or Republican is going to lead an antiwar movement until there is a shift in the polls that says that movement will be supported. If people are united, forceful and opinionated in letting their voice be heard and they support an antiwar candidate, then we will get one.”--Eddie Vedder.

I note the part that says: "If people are united, forceful and opinionated in letting their voice be heard and they support an antiwar candidate, then we will get one".

It sure sounds as if Ed has had second thought about his support for Kerry and is changing tactics. It looks like he has come to the realization that there is no real leadership in either the Democrat or Republican parties.

Pearl Jam and toast

surferdude wrote:

It sure sounds as if Ed has had second thought about his support for Kerry and is changing tactics. It looks like he has come to the realization that there is no real leadership in either the Democrat or Republican parties.

And he's right.

Eliot Rosewater

Pearl Jam and toast wrote:

And he's right.

Without question.

BeBe

angelica wrote:

While we continue to justify lack of peace and explain why we can't have peace, we reveal that we have a lack of inner peace. We reveal that we don't know how to create peace inside our own selves. We don't have inner peace, and therefore, we can't create outer peace. In our lack, we blame the guy outside of us for our not having the ability to create peace. We are blinding our own selves to the way to peace, which is within ourselves, only.

Yep, we're a long way off from being willing and able to support and create peace. Therefore we won't recognise the validity of the leaders who do speak of peace. Our weakest links--our hidden inner fears dictate that we need to have war-supporting leaders in order to keep us "safe". As we totally overlook that it's our own inner lacks that are to be feared. Who keeps us safe from our inner demons?

I couldn't have said it better. Great post Angelica.

NCfan

angelica wrote:

I rest my case.

Seeking peace is seeking peace. Period. Justifying not seeking peace is justifying NOT seeking peace.

I would think that most everyone wants peace.... even maybe Kim Jong Il. I dunno, that guy is a whack job - but I don't think these other jokers like Amejabilabidadydad or whoever he is Iran - I don't thing they want war.

I just think they want the power to lead the world in a direction they want it to go. But their way cannot co-exist with Western views. Separation of Church and State is a fundamental cornerstone of Western society.

So in essence, the two sides are trying to undermine each other - weaken each other. We are basically fighting for the future of the world.

It can look like a future dominated by the US, which is scary - don't get me wrong. But it is much more palatable than a future dominated by theocrats- and Muslim theocrats at that!

RockinInCanada

NCfan wrote:

I would think that most everyone wants peace.... even maybe Kim Jong Il. I dunno, that guy is a whack job - but I don't think these other jokers like Amejabilabidadydad or whoever he is Iran - I don't thing they want war.

I just think they want the power to lead the world in a direction they want it to go. But their way cannot co-exist with Western views. Separation of Church and State is a fundamental cornerstone of Western society.

So in essence, the two sides are trying to undermine each other - weaken each other. We are basically fighting for the future of the world.

It can look like a future dominated by the US, which is scary - don't get me wrong. But it is much more palatable than a future dominated by theocrats- and Muslim theocrats at that!

I see what you are saying....however the Western governments need to do a better job of separating church and state than currently is occuring.....overall I agree, very generally, with you....unless it is Buddhist theocrats I agree....

Byrnzie

monkey spanker wrote:

oh man...you believe that if you disagree with ed you are ultra right wing? i hate to tell ya, but ed is FFFAAAAAAARRRRRR left.

No. That's not what I said.

Abookamongstthemany

monkey spanker wrote:

"we're not close to honestly wanting peace."

i disagree, i think we all want peace. but true peace is what should be desired. peace is not just ignoring your enemies while they plot to kill you. we were supposedly at peace through the late 90's..but we really weren't. we had known enemies that swore to attack us, yet we did nothing.

Do you understand what the word 'peace' means? You say you want peace but yet you call for war. If you really wanted peace then you don't want to attack others, especially not preemptively. If you want peace badly enough, you do not put it second to killing others before they can you. That is the way of war.

RockinInCanada

Abookamongstthemany wrote:

Do you understand what the word 'peace' means? You say you want peace but yet you call for war. If you really wanted peace then you don't want to attack others, especially not preemptively. If you want peace badly enough, you do not put it second to killing others before they can you. That is the way of war.

The hypocracy of it still dumbfounds me on a daily basis....

Byrnzie

NCfan wrote:

I would think that most everyone wants peace.... even maybe Kim Jong Il. I dunno, that guy is a whack job - but I don't think these other jokers like Amejabilabidadydad or whoever he is Iran - I don't thing they want war.

"Amejabilabidadydad" - You missed out a j, a d, two b's, an e, and an n dude!

angelica

BeBe wrote:

I couldn't have said it better. Great post Angelica.

Thank-you.

angelica

NCfan wrote:

We are basically fighting (ed: bold added) for the future of the world.

Again, we are sowing the seeds over and over. And we reap what we sow. We get exactly what we seek. When we as a people are aligned with creating peace for the future of the world, the picture will look very, very different.

Again, it's clear we are not anywhere close to being ready to create peace.

brainofPJ

man can't create peace

angelica

brainofPJ wrote:

man can't create peace

In your opinion, can man create happiness?

create: bring into being.
To give rise to; produce

produce: To bring forth

http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/create
http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/produce

brainofPJ

pretty familar with meanings of words.

i was talking about peace anyways. one can bring about happiness or be happy... that doesn't solve the problem or fact that there is unrest and total lack of peace in this century like no other.

angelica

The way I see it, we each have the amazing ability to create/bring forth/produce beautifully and responsibly with our each act. We are empowered to cultivate peace, love and forgiveness within ourselves and by doing so, we radiate it to those around us. On the other hand, when we allow our anger and lack of problem solving ability to radiate around us, we create/bring forth/produce hatred, separation and pain.

They key here is our amazing power to choose in each moment. This is the power of our will. We reap what we sow. We get what we create. When we support violence, killing and war, that's exactly what we are jointly creating. When we're ready to en masse create peace, that's what we'll jointly create.