I'm taking bets

musicismylife78

I am taking bets y'all. For nearly a decade kids have shot up classmates at school. They have brought guns to school and murdered their classmates. And everytime it happens its excused away "Oh, its just a crazy person" "oh he is insane" "oh that isnt representative of our community, school, state, region, nation...".

Nothing is ever done. We pump the kids full of more Ritalin, and think that will solve their anger. We see kids acting out and say, lets give them more medication or drugs. We ignore the warning signs.

We ignore the flat our RAGE of young white males, who take out their anger on fellow classmates and especially young girl classmates.

We ignore our childrens pleas, and comments, we berate them, abuse them, taunt them, kill them, and brutalize them, we jail them and beat them, then give them tablets and think it will solve something

You really think ANY of the school shooters can take tablets and magically all their rage, their anger, their feelings will disappear and they will smile and say everything is alright.

The Virginia shootings will happen again, unfortunatly. More kids will die needlessly because no one chooses to listen to our kids.

As Langston Hughes wrote, "What happens to a dream deferred?

Does it dry up
Like a raisin in the sun?
Or fester like a sore--
And then run?

Does it stink like rotten meat?
Or crust and sugar over--
like a syrupy sweet?

Maybe it just sags
like a heavy load.
Or does it explode?"


----
Indeed it exploded yesterday. mark my words. This is the scream of our generation. You all continue to ignore it.

This is the reality of the world. This is what happens when we send children off to die in Iraq. This is a direct result of it.

Our generation spoke yesterday. I am a peace activist and want peace, but as long as this war continues more shootings will occur, more violent than this one. Kids will murder their parents and friends. It will explode

---

They exploded yesterday, and no one has done anything about it. Face it people pumping kids full of Ritalin aint stopping it. Zero tolerance aint stopping it. It cant be stopped unless we bring down the system. Unless once and for all, this whole system crumbles and we built our own world, a world where violence by anyone, is not allowed. A world where violence isnt an everyday sight.




I am taking bets: will anyone rise up and actually deal with this appropriately. or are we going to sweep it under the rug again, only to be surprised AGAIN when more kids die needlessly.

Whats your bet?

People died yesterday, not because some nut killed people. People died because we are so desensitized and blind and numbed and jaded that this wasnt a shock. I knew it would happen. It was inevitable. People died yesterday because we tacitly accept violence in society as a way of life.

Our generation is lost. This is our acting out just as our parents grew their hair out, smoked dope and believed in free love.

This is our cry for help. The question is, did anyone listen. I heard it, did you?


We arent going to do a damn thing, cause kids killing kids isnt news, its normal. And we dont care.


Charles manson said "those kids that come at you with knives, those are your knives, and your kids, you taught them violence"

He is right. We all did this. And we all are going to ignore it once the latest Britney Spears album hits

Ahnimus

If you ask me...

Well, think about, what keeps most of us in-line? It's typically some kind of social acceptance. But if society rejects them, there is nothing for them to regret. Look at Charles Starkweather, he was ridiculed for having mutant legs, then he killed 11 people with his sexually abused teenage girlfriend Carol Ann Fugate.

Charles Manson knew why he was fucked up and he told the world, and we ignored it, just as we ignore children when they tell us what is wrong.

Those are the societal rejects, different from psychopaths like Dahmer. Psychopaths just don't think and feel the same way as normal people due to underdeveloped or damaged brains.

No two brains are the same, and no two histories are the same. The answers to preventing murder lye within a combination of those two things.

lucylespian

This is a good question. I have just this minute finishe dtalking to an angry teenager, gettin into trouble for anger outbursts and using MJ to self-medicate.

ONe of the things I discussed with ehr and her Dad, was that anger doe snot need to be taught or learnt. It is a hard-wired, default behaviour which we all have within ourselves.

HOWEVER, what can and needs to be taught, is a non-anrgy response to life adn situations. Tihs is what we kearn fro a calm parent, who thinks and negotaited their way to peaceful resolutions.
When angry parents raise kids, they re-inforce the hard-wired behaviour, and kids never learn another coing strategy. Even when anger is not displayed by parents, passive or ineffective coping fails to teach a non-angry response.

I am wondering if that was an issue with Vtech boy, given teh brief background available. It is also possible that he was overtly psychotic as well. Before Angelica or anyone gets flamey on me, there was a paper released recently saying an the initial psychotic episode is the highest risk one for triggering homicidal actions.

Ahnimus

lucylespian wrote:

This is a good question. I have just this minute finishe dtalking to an angry teenager, gettin into trouble for anger outbursts and using MJ to self-medicate.

ONe of the things I discussed with ehr and her Dad, was that anger doe snot need to be taught or learnt. It is a hard-wired, default behaviour which we all have within ourselves.

HOWEVER, what can and needs to be taught, is a non-anrgy response to life adn situations. Tihs is what we kearn fro a calm parent, who thinks and negotaited their way to peaceful resolutions.
When angry parents raise kids, they re-inforce the hard-wired behaviour, and kids never learn another coing strategy. Even when anger is not displayed by parents, passive or ineffective coping fails to teach a non-angry response.

I am wondering if that was an issue with Vtech boy, given teh brief background available. It is also possible that he was overtly psychotic as well. Before Angelica or anyone gets flamey on me, there was a paper released recently saying an the initial psychotic episode is the highest risk one for triggering homicidal actions.

That's very interesting because electromagnetic interference in the temporal lobe leads to visions and presences or what might clinically be named psychotic. If it were visions of a demon or something. If it were visions of angels it'd be a religious experience. But anyway. There could be an increase in psychosis that correlates with the increase in use of electromagnetism. Perhaps he rode a Maglev train to school.

But also what you are saying about behavior. You are absolutely correct. I agree. The child-rearing part is very important, and it's simply not enough to suppress bad behavior, but to reinforce good behavior as well.

patrickredeyes

I blame a small part on the video game world. You have had whole generation of kids that play nothing but video games. They kill people in these games and they think doing it for real its also just a game. I remember coming home from school and playing outside or doing something besides sitting in front of a t.v. And killing people on a game for 5 hrs. Of course there are non shooting games. But the shooting games make kids feel cooler. Yes this was a college student but this shit has been happening for yrs. Wake the fuck up parents and tell and show yr kid life is not a video game. You can't go around killing people to solve yr problems. I'm off point cause once again this was college kids. But I just think the video game world plays a small part in this terrible and sad situations. My prayers go out to the ones that were lost and for those who's lives will never be the same. I always thought Columbine was the worst shooting. So sad that this had to happen.

peace

lucylespian

Ahnimus wrote:

That's very interesting because electromagnetic interference in the temporal lobe leads to visions and presences or what might clinically be named psychotic. If it were visions of a demon or something. If it were visions of angels it'd be a religious experience. But anyway. There could be an increase in psychosis that correlates with the increase in use of electromagnetism. Perhaps he rode a Maglev train to school.

But also what you are saying about behavior. You are absolutely correct. I agree. The child-rearing part is very important, and it's simply not enough to suppress bad behavior, but to reinforce good behavior as well.

Why would he need to have electro-magnetic radiation ???Why could he not just have a psychotic illness ????

korby

or... let me guess. the "devil" made me do it

Ahnimus

lucylespian wrote:

Why would he need to have electro-magnetic radiation ???Why could he not just have a psychotic illness ????

Heh, I'm referring to Dr. Michael Persinger's experiments. Part of the video I sent you. That reminds me too, the effect didn't work on Dawkins, but it did work on Michael Shermer the world's biggest skeptic. This suggests that Dawkins' temporal lobe is not functioning the same as Michael Shermer's because they both hold the same disbelief or skepticism. Possibly due to child-rearing, I'm not sure how either were raised, if neuroplasticity has anything to do with the operation of the temporal lobe, I suspect it might. But anyway, Persinger's experiments suggest that electromagnetism affects the temporal lobe of the brain causing religious experiences, or feeling, visions that type of thing.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/God_helmet

Inkdaub

I agree that things like this are a symptom of our society. No question. We are focused on the wrong things.

i like matt.c

patrickredeyes wrote:

I blame a small part on the video game world. You have had whole generation of kids that play nothing but video games. They kill people in these games and they think doing it for real its also just a game. I remember coming home from school and playing outside or doing something besides sitting in front of a t.v. And killing people on a game for 5 hrs. Of course there are non shooting games. But the shooting games make kids feel cooler. Yes this was a college student but this shit has been happening for yrs. Wake the fuck up parents and tell and show yr kid life is not a video game. You can't go around killing people to solve yr problems. I'm off point cause once again this was college kids. But I just think the video game world plays a small part in this terrible and sad situations. My prayers go out to the ones that were lost and for those who's lives will never be the same. I always thought Columbine was the worst shooting. So sad that this had to happen.

peace

I was watching the news today and they actually had someone on who is serving life on jail for murdering classmates and he actually said that he got shooting techniques from video games. It is so disgusting that these types of games are sold.

Lesbelges

I think the US has to come to grips with the fact that it is somehow maximizing the chances of such shootings happening, and then do something about it.

I'm not exactly sure as to why it happens so often here, but I think there is a reason for why it happens so often.

even flow?

Take bets on this? My buddies and I are not even suprised when stuff like this happens anymore. It used to be a rare occurance. Now it seems to happen every month, somewhere in the world. Even my mom still asks about the morbid poetry and stories I used to write. A mix between imagination and what you see in society as a whole contributed to those inkings. At least she had a tab on me. Which I can take a swing at when these people go off the deepend that the parents look pretty stupid saying they didn't know what went wrong. Really stupid actually.

Out of touch with your kids? Out of touch with their reality. Their daily lives. Their friends (if they have any). Your job and life is not more important then your family. That should have been a given when your first child was born.

know1

Cheguevara6 wrote:

I am taking bets y'all. For nearly a decade kids have shot up classmates at school. They have brought guns to school and murdered their classmates. And everytime it happens its excused away "Oh, its just a crazy person" "oh he is insane" "oh that isnt representative of our community, school, state, region, nation...".

Nothing is ever done. We pump the kids full of more Ritalin, and think that will solve their anger. We see kids acting out and say, lets give them more medication or drugs. We ignore the warning signs.

We ignore the flat our RAGE of young white males, who take out their anger on fellow classmates and especially young girl classmates.

We ignore our childrens pleas, and comments, we berate them, abuse them, taunt them, kill them, and brutalize them, we jail them and beat them, then give them tablets and think it will solve something

You really think ANY of the school shooters can take tablets and magically all their rage, their anger, their feelings will disappear and they will smile and say everything is alright.

The Virginia shootings will happen again, unfortunatly. More kids will die needlessly because no one chooses to listen to our kids.

As Langston Hughes wrote, "What happens to a dream deferred?

Does it dry up
Like a raisin in the sun?
Or fester like a sore--
And then run?

Does it stink like rotten meat?
Or crust and sugar over--
like a syrupy sweet?

Maybe it just sags
like a heavy load.
Or does it explode?"


----
Indeed it exploded yesterday. mark my words. This is the scream of our generation. You all continue to ignore it.

This is the reality of the world. This is what happens when we send children off to die in Iraq. This is a direct result of it.

Our generation spoke yesterday. I am a peace activist and want peace, but as long as this war continues more shootings will occur, more violent than this one. Kids will murder their parents and friends. It will explode

---

They exploded yesterday, and no one has done anything about it. Face it people pumping kids full of Ritalin aint stopping it. Zero tolerance aint stopping it. It cant be stopped unless we bring down the system. Unless once and for all, this whole system crumbles and we built our own world, a world where violence by anyone, is not allowed. A world where violence isnt an everyday sight.




I am taking bets: will anyone rise up and actually deal with this appropriately. or are we going to sweep it under the rug again, only to be surprised AGAIN when more kids die needlessly.

Whats your bet?

People died yesterday, not because some nut killed people. People died because we are so desensitized and blind and numbed and jaded that this wasnt a shock. I knew it would happen. It was inevitable. People died yesterday because we tacitly accept violence in society as a way of life.

Our generation is lost. This is our acting out just as our parents grew their hair out, smoked dope and believed in free love.

This is our cry for help. The question is, did anyone listen. I heard it, did you?


We arent going to do a damn thing, cause kids killing kids isnt news, its normal. And we dont care.


Charles manson said "those kids that come at you with knives, those are your knives, and your kids, you taught them violence"

He is right. We all did this. And we all are going to ignore it once the latest Britney Spears album hits

Why the comment about white males?

mammasan

even flow? wrote:

Take bets on this? My buddies and I are not even suprised when stuff like this happens anymore. It used to be a rare occurance. Now it seems to happen every month, somewhere in the world. Even my mom still asks about the morbid poetry and stories I used to write. A mix between imagination and what you see in society as a whole contributed to those inkings. At least she had a tab on me. Which I can take a swing at when these people go off the deepend that the parents look pretty stupid saying they didn't know what went wrong. Really stupid actually.

Out of touch with your kids? Out of touch with their reality. Their daily lives. Their friends (if they have any). Your job and life is not more important then your family. That should have been a given when your first child was born.

I totally agree with you. Almost every single one of these school shooter exhibited strange behavioral patterns prior to their attacks. After words you hear parents, class-mates, school officials, etc.. stating that they never realized it. I will not go as far as saying that the parents where neglecting their kids but they definetly needed to pay more attention.

Also what che said has some truth to it. Instead of just pumping our kids full of medication because they may be acting a bit differently take the time to fucking talk to them. Take them to joint therapy. Maqking your kid swallow a pill everyday doesn't solve the problem, it just masks it.

Pacomc79

Living in a reasonably free society forces you to accept a large degree of risk. I'd rather live with the risk than go facist. There are some interesting alternatives though, I know GB has cameras all over that assist police, it's not foolproof, but it could help in situations like this kind of thing.

We all need to reassess our priorities for certain.

Those who would give up essential liberty to purchase a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety.
Benjamin Franklin (1706 - 1790), Historical Review of Pennsylvania, 1759

know1

mammasan wrote:

I totally agree with you. Almost every single one of these school shooter exhibited strange behavioral patterns prior to their attacks. After words you hear parents, class-mates, school officials, etc.. stating that they never realized it. I will not go as far as saying that the parents where neglecting their kids but they definetly needed to pay more attention.

Also what che said has some truth to it. Instead of just pumping our kids full of medication because they may be acting a bit differently take the time to fucking talk to them. Take them to joint therapy. Maqking your kid swallow a pill everyday doesn't solve the problem, it just masks it.

I think poor parenting is one of the biggest causes of MOST of society's problems. It's time to start holding parents accountable.

mammasan

know1 wrote:

I think poor parenting is one of the biggest causes of MOST of society's problems. It's time to start holding parents accountable.

I agree that we should hold parents accountable, if they are neglegent. You do have good parents out there who just have troublesome children. Should they be held responsible even though they are doing everything they can to reign in their child.

It's a nice idea but it is hard to enforce simply because who will be the judge of what good parenting is, the government, the community.

soulsinging

Cheguevara6 wrote:

You really think ANY of the school shooters can take tablets and magically all their rage, their anger, their feelings will disappear and they will smile and say everything is alright.

well, normally i'd sort of agree. most of the shooters are not "crazy" but i think this guy clearly was. he had crystal clear psychosis going on, ted bundy style. most of the time, i'd say you're right though... a bunch of angry kids with no outlet. giving them pills might shut them up, but it won't solve the problems behind it. i think this kid though was pretty obviously schizophrenic and could have benefited from medical intervention. he's the exception though.

Cheguevara6 wrote:

This is the reality of the world. This is what happens when we send children off to die in Iraq. This is a direct result of it.

almost ever single one of these shootings occurred before the iraq war dude. you really need to get that off your brain man. not EVERYTHING in this world is tied to iraq. iraq is just another stupid war in a long line of stupid wars. no more or less significant than any other war. the problem goes so much deeper than iraq. the problem was there when we were at peace in the 90s.

Lesbelges

Pacomc79 wrote:

Living in a reasonably free society forces you to accept a large degree of risk. I'd rather live with the risk than go facist. There are some interesting alternatives though, I know GB has cameras all over that assist police, it's not foolproof, but it could help in situations like this kind of thing.

We all need to reassess our priorities for certain.

Those who would give up essential liberty to purchase a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety.
Benjamin Franklin (1706 - 1790), Historical Review of Pennsylvania, 1759

Fascist...come on. You make it sound like these things are unavoidable in such a "free" country. While on the other side of the pond where all western European countries have as much if not more freedom than the US, yet this type of crap doesn't happen.

Pacomc79

Lesbelges wrote:

Fascist...come on. You make it sound like these things are unavoidable in such a "free" country. While on the other side of the pond where all western European countries have as much if not more freedom than the US, yet this type of crap doesn't happen.

different society. Why dosen't democracy work in the middle east?

Horrible events happen everywhere, reactionary government only takes more and more rights away from people. Crazy lunatics don't go away and you will still end up with horrific events in this very violent society. Anti gun people make some great points but the vast majority of people who own guns never commit horrific acts with them. I do not believe in taking basic liberties away from people simply because a few insane people happen to be out there. I'm not afraid of lunatics and nor do I own a gun, but laws do not prevent anything horriffic from happening and they only police the law abiding. Prohibition has never stopped anyone from doing anything they wanted to do. I'd wager the attitudes and more relaxed cultures of Europeans has more do to with thier lack of gigantic mass murders than lack of public weapon sales or know how.

Do we need a lot more smart and basic gun control...Absolutely but laws only police the willing and small town police will never be prepared to handle the kind of issue that this is spurned from.

Ms. Haiku

The murderer did the killing. One person killed 32 people. Suicide-Homicide. I agree that from what little I read the murderer was psycho-nuts, but he still had facility to choose. If mass-murders like this increase in number I theorize because potential murderers are getting ideas from past murderers by having access to the news. Does this mean stopping the news - of course not. However, as those english teachers were alarmed at the murderer's violent essay, and asked that he get evaluated, maybe more training to spot violent behavior is appropriate for teachers. I wouldn't be surprised if teachers are already trained in this sort of thing, though.

Responsibility is on parents to watch their children, but how can that be implemented by the governement if it isn't naturally implemented by the parents? What positive community activism would need to occur for all to be welcomed, and not judged so that changes can occur?