Do some people really consider obama an antichrist?

know1

RainDog wrote:

You mean he hates other races, just not based on any inherent superiority? Which race is it he hates? That other half of himself?

I didn't say hate. I used the words biased and prejudiced.

Just take my comments at face value and don't try to mold them into something they're not.

eekamouse

know1 wrote:

I heard an audio clip from him the other day that was apparently an excerpt from his book (apparently page 293 of his book) and it stated this:

“It is this world, a world where cruise ships throw away more food in a day than most residents of Port-au-Prince see in a year, where white folks’ greed runs a world in need, apartheid in one hemisphere, apathy in another hemisphere…That’s the world! On which hope sits!”

Haha. That's the ONLY comment you have and you know it.

Also... I'm white, and that comment = truth.

Sorry it does. I also support Ron Paul, but fuck... most Americans (white ones AND black ones) are a fucking AJ Soprano equivalent in their motivation for life/world.

Good luck puppets!

ledvedderman

know1 wrote:

I heard an audio clip from him the other day that was apparently an excerpt from his book (apparently page 293 of his book) and it stated this:

“It is this world, a world where cruise ships throw away more food in a day than most residents of Port-au-Prince see in a year, where white folks’ greed runs a world in need, apartheid in one hemisphere, apathy in another hemisphere…That’s the world! On which hope sits!”

Other than specific comments, the fact that he attended a blatantly racist church for 20 years...and donated money to it...makes me believe he's a racist.

I agree with his quote 100%. Also, I am sure you know nothing about this church that he attended, but there are MANY white people who attend that church. Does that make them racists too?

RainDog

know1 wrote:

I heard an audio clip from him the other day that was apparently an excerpt from his book (apparently page 293 of his book) and it stated this:

“It is this world, a world where cruise ships throw away more food in a day than most residents of Port-au-Prince see in a year, where white folks’ greed runs a world in need, apartheid in one hemisphere, apathy in another hemisphere…That’s the world! On which hope sits!”

Other than specific comments, the fact that he attended a blatantly racist church for 20 years...and donated money to it...makes me believe he's a racist.

O.K. But to clarify, that quote is actually a quote from a sermon from that "racist" church, not a quote from Obama himself. And I don't even find it all that racist - unless white folks lost control of the world sometime after I went to bed last night, and that poverty is no longer an issue.

As for the blatantly racist church - hey, I won't deny that Obama's a bit of a political opportunist. Just about every successful politician has had to suck up to ridiculously over-the-top religious madmen to help secure their positions. Applying Rev. Wright's beliefs, word for word, to Obama would be no different than applying Hagee's or Parson's or Robertson's or the late Falwell's beliefs to McCain.

So, there we have it. McCain hates Jews, Gays, believes evolution to be the bedrock of fascism, thinks Hitler did right by God's world, and has a general dominionist global outlook.

RainDog

know1 wrote:

I didn't say hate. I used the words biased and prejudiced.

Just take my comments at face value and don't try to mold them into something they're not.

O.K. What race is he prejudiced and biased against? The other half of himself?

Pacomc79

RainDog wrote:

O.K. But to clarify, that quote is actually a quote from a sermon from that "racist" church, not a quote from Obama himself. And I don't even find it all that racist - unless white folks lost control of the world sometime after I went to bed last night, and that poverty is no longer an issue.

As for the blatantly racist church - hey, I won't deny that Obama's a bit of a political opportunist. Just about every successful politician has had to suck up to ridiculously over-the-top religious madmen to help secure their positions. Applying Rev. Wright's beliefs, word for word, to Obama would be no different than applying Hagee's or Parson's or Robertson's or the late Falwell's beliefs to McCain.

So, there we have it. McCain hates Jews, Gays, believes evolution to be the bedrock of fascism, thinks Hitler did right by God's world, and has a general dominionist global outlook.

but Haiti isn't run by white folks. I do agree with you on the religious nuts it's pretty much right on par with that really.

I thought the last statement was more Pat Buchannan.

rebornFixer

Pacomc79 wrote:

but Haiti isn't run by white folks.

And neither is Africa (anymore) ... Or Asia. Heck, do white folks even run Europe anymore?

Pacomc79

reborncareerist wrote:

And neither is Africa (anymore) ... Or Asia. Heck, do white folks even run Europe anymore?

you have to kind of define white person now to hate them anyway. What qualifies as white anyway? I have no idea.

Mostly I think it pertains to the oligarchy of political families, but no one seems to want to fire their bastards... only everyone elses is wasteful... not my guy.

rebornFixer

Pacomc79 wrote:

you have to kind of define white person now to hate them anyway. What qualifies as white anyway? I have no idea.

Mostly I think it pertains to the oligarchy of political families, but no one seems to want to fire their bastards... only everyone elses is wasteful... not my guy.

"White" is treated as synonomous with "powerful elite", something I've always had a huge problem with.

Cosmo

reborncareerist wrote:

"White" is treated as synonomous with "powerful elite", something I've always had a huge problem with.

...
I know... because I know a lot of white people who are uneducated low-life loser scumbags. Being white has nothing to do with 'elite'.
...
P.S. I hate the way the term, 'elite' gets tossed around so easily these days. It's the adult equivilent to the 13 year olds use of the term, 'sell-out'.

know1

RainDog wrote:

O.K. What race is he prejudiced and biased against? The other half of himself?

I said races, so I mean races other than what he seems to view himself which is Black.

rebornFixer

Cosmo wrote:

...
I know... because I know a lot of white people who are uneducated low-life loser scumbags. Being white has nothing to do with 'elite'.
...
P.S. I hate the way the term, 'elite' gets tossed around so easily these days. It's the adult equivilent to the 13 year olds use of the term, 'sell-out'.

Yeah, and the point was, not everyone who calls the shots is some cackling old white guy who likes keeping down the darkies ... The world is a lot more complex.

Abookamongstthemany

I've noticed the only people who seem to bring up the race card on this board are Obama supporters with things like:

'It will be so nice to finally get a black person in office'

'The fact that a black man is the leading contender for president shows how much progress we have made as a nation'

To me, it would be nice if we finally got a president in office who deserved it and we didn't have to settle.

And there would be progress in this nation if we didn't even see the color of Obama's skin as a factor at all but rather what he stands for and what he has done.

my2hands

know1 wrote:

Other than specific comments, the fact that he attended a blatantly racist church for 20 years...and donated money to it...makes me believe he's a racist.

i guess you missed the lilly white catholic priest who gave the sermon the other day about hillarys white entitlement... the sermon that forced obama to leave the church, it was given by a white man... so i guess the white guy was racist towards whites? :rolleyes:


that church isnt racist, it is simply telling the truth

RainDog

Abookamongstthemany wrote:

I've noticed the only people who seem to bring up the race card on this board are Obama supporters with things like:

'It will be so nice to finally get a black person in office'

'The fact that a black man is the leading contender for president shows how much progress we have made as a nation'

So, first black president means nothing when only 40 years ago, blacks and whites drank from separate fountains?

Abookamongstthemany wrote:

To me, it would be nice if we finally got a president in office who deserved it and we didn't have to settle.

If one of the major parties nominated someone that fit your perfect mold for president, the vast majority of the people voting for him or her would still be "settling." And even then, it might not be enough to put that person in the White House.

Abookamongstthemany wrote:

And there would be progress in this nation if we didn't even see the color of Obama's skin as a factor at all but rather what he stands for and what he has done.

True - just like it's true that it's progress when one of the major political parties nominates a black man, which would be unheard of just a few years ago. What you should be saying is "there would be enough progress for me in this nation..." becasue what's happening now still fits the parameters of "progress."

slightofjeff

reborncareerist wrote:

Yeah, and the point was, not everyone who calls the shots is some cackling old white guy who likes keeping down the darkies ... The world is a lot more complex.

Although I am ...

Abookamongstthemany

RainDog wrote:

So, first black president means nothing when only 40 years ago, blacks and whites drank from separate fountains?

I don't judge people by race. And last I checked everyone can drink from water fountains now...and this election season is now. If I was running for president it would fucking piss me off if someone tried to bring up me being a woman as some significant factor. I would want it all to be about how I worked hard and deserved to be where I am because of who I am on the inside. I wouldn't need or want anyone feeling bad about how women were treated in the past as being part of why they support me. It would diminish all I did on my own despite gender to get there. I get the same pissed off feeling when people write off my appeal when I'm speaking as just because I'm supposedly pretty. Fuck that! I want it to be because they like what I'm saying. Don't take anything away from me like that!

RainDog wrote:

If one of the major parties nominated someone that fit your perfect mold for president, the vast majority of the people voting for him or her would still be "settling." And even then, it might not be enough to put that person in the White House.

First off, they wouldn't have to be perfect just better than the shit I'm seeing now. So yeah, we all settle because no one matches how we would do the job ourselves exactly. My point is just how much we chose to settle. I'm pretty sure you already knew that, though.

RainDog wrote:

True - just like it's true that it's progress when one of the major political parties nominates a black man, which would be unheard of just a few years ago. What you should be saying is "there would be enough progress for me in this nation..." becasue what's happening now still fits the parameters of "progress."

Focusing on someone's color of skin as having some significance is more of the same to me.

If we truly have progressed past racism, we wouldn't see one person being black as a plus over the other person who is white.

RainDog

Abookamongstthemany wrote:

I don't judge people by race. And last I checked everyone can drink from water fountains now...and this election season is now. If I was running for president it would fucking piss me off if someone tried to bring up me being a woman as some significant factor. I would want it all to be about how I worked hard and deserved to be where I am because of who I am on the inside. I wouldn't need or want anyone feeling bad about how women were treated in the past as being part of why they support me. It would diminish all I did on my own despite gender to get there. I get the same pissed off feeling when people write off my appeal when I'm speaking as just because I'm supposedly pretty. Fuck that! I want it to be because they like what I'm saying. Don't take anything away from me like that!

I'm sure Obama feels the same way, as he's not usually the one who brings up race, either. But, when something's different, people notice. When you've had nothing but white male contenders for over two hundred years, people tend to notice when someone's a contender and isn't a white male. It's news.

Abookamongstthemany wrote:

First off, they wouldn't have to be perfect just better than the shit I'm seeing now. So yeah, we all settle because no one matches how we would do the job ourselves exactly. My point is just how much we chose to settle. I'm pretty sure you already knew that, though.

And some people would have to settle a lot to bring themselves to vote for a candidate you don't have to settle as much for. And for a lot of people like myself, my level of "settling" is bearable this time around.

Abookamongstthemany wrote:

Focusing on someone's color of skin as having some significance is more of the same to me.

If we truly have progressed past racism, we wouldn't see one person being black as a plus over the other person who is white.

No argument there. In fact, I've been saying for months that this country hasn't truely progressed past racism - just that it's progressed.

MattyJoe

radiohead33 wrote:

By my last two thread you can all see I am not a fan of obama, but I certainly dont think he is the antichrist.

Oregon is known as a left wing place, so naturally everyone is gaga for obama.

that said I have heard tell that in the more conservative areas of oregon, obama is being called an antichrist.

are their really people like this?

Yes there are and it's sad. I also do not like Obama, but not to that extreme.

MattyJoe

RainDog wrote:

No argument there. In fact, I've been saying for months that this country hasn't truely progressed past racism - just that it's progressed.

Totally agree with you. I know many people who are still very racist, some being close friends!!