Religion has caused more

cornnifer

Look, this is all bullshit. Religion is not responsible for all of the atrocities people say it is responsible for. I'll use an analogy, and hopefully people will see my point, and shut the hell up about this "religion is the source of all evil" bullshit. Some obviously unstable guy kills a bunch of people and says he did it becaus of some lyrics he heard in a Pearl Jam song. Somebody says Pearl Jam is responsible for the carnage. Stupid right? Very. The guy obviously misinterpreted something, twisted it and used it to justify HIS actions. Its like Saying PJ is responsible for columbine because I'm sure somewhere along the line those two sick fucks heard "Jeremy" once or twice. Don't say its not the same thing. It is.

audome25

people are the biggest cause of death to people.

bryanfury

"for years, religion did nothing but divide"

killah priest

religions has divided, and provided excuses for killing, since the beginning of time. What a shame that we cannot learn from history...

Commy

bryanfury wrote:

"for years, religion did nothing but divide"

killah priest

religions has divided, and provided excuses for killing, since the beginning of time. What a shame that we cannot learn from history...

trying to shake the cancer off...us stupid human beings.

we haven't learned a thing in 10,000 years.

OutOfBreath

bryanfury wrote:

"for years, religion did nothing but divide"

killah priest

religions has divided, and provided excuses for killing, since the beginning of time. What a shame that we cannot learn from history...

On the other hand, do you think we would have a hard time making up other excuses? Killing has been done for a lot of things, including religion.

Peace
Dan

decides2dream

audome25 wrote:

people are the biggest cause of death to people.

exactly.
you can slap whatever label/cause/belief you want on it, doesn't matter. we may not agree on the particular issue of why people choose to kill, just that they do choose to kill, in staggering #s, throughout history, for as many causes/beliefs that exist..and just for the sake of killing too.

know1

IndianSummer wrote:

which dont make it justified to cause them to die sooner than they otherwise would have. by your logic 9/11 is all cool, cos the people would have died in a few decades in any case.


the bigest cause for deaths are

1) colonisation (the only good native is a dead native and all that)

2) wars between nations

3) religion based killings, fights and genocides

I didn't say that it justified anything. I guess what I mean is don't blame the religion or the organization or the country, etc. - just blame the people who did the killing.

id rocks

VictoryGin wrote:

Religion isn't always just 'along for the ride'. People already mentioned the Crusades. And a lot of colonization involves spreading Christianity.

I mean, you are right if you say that religion has been associated with much killing and evil in the history of mankind. I'm just saying that association does not equal causation. Bad people used religion to accomplish a hell of a lot of evil, sure. But it's those people and their twisted, selfish motives that are to blame.

I really believe that the idea that seems to be subscribed to on here of if we could go back in time, take religion completely out of human history, that would result in a much better human experience, is bull crap. I think things would actually turn out much worse given that alternate course of human existance, without all those religious rules and principles "reigning in" those natural selfish human tendancies . I think in the final sum, religion prevents more evil than it creates or encourages. Does that make sense? I hope I explained it decently.

Pearl Jam and toast

id rocks wrote:

I mean, you are right if you say that religion has been associated with much killing and evil in the history of mankind. I'm just saying that association does not equal causation. Bad people used religion to accomplish a hell of a lot of evil, sure. But it's those people and their twisted, selfish motives that are to blame.

I really believe that the idea that seems to be subscribed to on here of if we could go back in time, take religion completely out of human history, that would result in a much better human experience, is bull crap. I think things would actually turn out much worse given that alternate course of human existance, without all those religious rules and principles "reigning in" those natural selfish human tendancies . I think in the final sum, religion prevents more evil than it creates or encourages. Does that make sense? I hope I explained it decently.

people throughout human history have quite literally killed and colonized "in the name of god". Lately it's been Christianity and Islam (lately in terms of thousands of years).

Relgion causes much more evil than it prevents, but i think it's a nessecary step in our (if you'll pardon the phrase ) evolution.

Before we're able to collectively live decently by the standards that all religions seem to agree on i think it was nessecary for it to be brought together through religion. We've modernized and it's due time we evolve further.

id rocks

Pearl Jam and toast wrote:

people throughout human history have quite literally killed and colonized "in the name of god". Lately it's been Christianity and Islam (lately in terms of thousands of years).

I just can't believe you think all those people actually cared about the "name of god." I think it's almost always about power, greed, money/land/resources, etc. etc. I personally think "in the name of god" just gave them a nice excuse to justify their behavior and feel like what they were doing wasn't so bad. "I didn't choose to do this, God wants me to!" kind of a thing.

decides2dream

id rocks wrote:

I mean, you are right if you say that religion has been associated with much killing and evil in the history of mankind. I'm just saying that association does not equal causation. Bad people used religion to accomplish a hell of a lot of evil, sure. But it's those people and their twisted, selfish motives that are to blame.

I really believe that the idea that seems to be subscribed to on here of if we could go back in time, take religion completely out of human history, that would result in a much better human experience, is bull crap. I think things would actually turn out much worse given that alternate course of human existance, without all those religious rules and principles "reigning in" those natural selfish human tendancies . I think in the final sum, religion prevents more evil than it creates or encourages. Does that make sense? I hope I explained it decently.

i'd have to agree to a certain extent. religon has always existed, whether one truly believes or not...not even the point...seems part of the human psyche to have religion in mind, even ancient/primitive peoples had some form/basis for religion. no matter what, if not religion...there would have been something else in it's place to cause death and destruction at human hands in any case. religion may be a handy 'cause', but it certainly isn't the only one...and sadly, seems killing is far too prevelant within the human psyche to not exist/continue...sans religion or not.


edit - really poor grammar.

Pearl Jam and toast

id rocks wrote:

I just can't believe you think all those people actually cared about the "name of god." I think it's almost always about power, greed, money/land/resources, etc. etc. I personally think "in the name of god" just gave them a nice excuse to justify their behavior and feel like what they were doing wasn't so bad.

all that stuff is true, but groups really have killed in the name of god since the begining of our time.

Yes it was an excuse for most (and a clever way to motivate the population to kill for you), but remember there are a lot of kinds of "crazy" out there.

decides2dream

Pearl Jam and toast wrote:

all that stuff is true, but groups really have killed in the name of god since the begining of our time.

Yes it was an excuse for most (and a clever way to motivate the population to kill for you), but remember there are a lot of kinds of "crazy" out there.

well, 'killing in the name of...'...and actually that being the true issue, not the same thing. didn't reagan's attempted assasssin do so to somehow impress jodie foster or some twisted shite like that? seriously, one can go out on a limb and choose just about anything they want to grasp at as a 'reason' for killing..and i hardly think religion corners the market is all.

cornnifer

Pearl Jam and toast wrote:

people throughout human history have quite literally killed and colonized "in the name of god". Lately it's been Christianity and Islam (lately in terms of thousands of years).

Relgion causes much more evil than it prevents, but i think it's a nessecary step in our (if you'll pardon the phrase ) evolution.

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Seriously, you are FOS on this one. Point to ONE passage of scripture, one tennnat or core teaching of ANY religion that justifies any of the "evil" you describe. ONE core teaching of ANY religion. Unless you can do this, there is no teeth to your statement that Religion causes evil. No teeth whatsoever.

brainofPJ

know1 wrote:

I think it's a crock for several reasons.

First of all, religion never caused anything. People cause things. If there weren't religion, they would have found something else to fight over.

Secondly, here's a unique concept for you - EVERYONE DIES. Religion did not cause them to die. They were going to die anyway.

true that.

people just suck

Abuskedti

Religion has caused pain mostly because it give people a reason to distinguish themselves from each other.

Christians sever heads and limbs from majestic aircraft. Muslims currently do so with knives on a more personal level.

Which do you prefer?

elmer

Organized religion is the supreme form of animal training, with or without people would still find and dislike differences..........

know1

Abuskedti wrote:

Religion has caused pain mostly because it give people a reason to distinguish themselves from each other.

Christians sever heads and limbs from majestic aircraft. Muslims currently do so with knives on a more personal level.

Which do you prefer?

I think your first statement is inaccurate. At least in my religion, our goal is to spread the love and word of God to EVERYONE. Thereby eliminating the distinction.

El_Kabong

decides2dream wrote:

well, 'killing in the name of...'...and actually that being the true issue, not the same thing. didn't reagan's attempted assasssin do so to somehow impress jodie foster or some twisted shite like that? seriously, one can go out on a limb and choose just about anything they want to grasp at as a 'reason' for killing..and i hardly think religion corners the market is all.

ppl can say 'it wasn't TRUE believers...' all they want, did very many stand up to them? no one implied religion had the market cornered.

El_Kabong

id rocks wrote:

Religion is too easy of a scapegoat. It's a numbers game. Most people who fought wars were religious, so it must be religion's fault, right? I don't think so. I think you have to look deeper at the true cause of evil, which is simply greed, whether for power, money, whatever. In most cases, religion was along for the ride while people perpetrated these evils.

but what about cases where it WAS the religious doing it? not just someone who claims to be religious starting it?

the black plague
inquisitions
witch burnings
torture, rape and execution of joan of arc (wasn't the OFFICIAL position that God wouldn't dare talk to a girl, let alone a peasant?)