Dude seriously I'm scared

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  • stupidcorporatewhore
    stupidcorporatewhore Posts: 761
    LikeAnOcean wrote:
    http://www.cnn.com/2006/WORLD/asiapcf/10/10/korea.nuclear.test/index.html


    Maybe I'm reading it wrong, but they are threatening to fire one unless we talk with them.

    "We hope the situation will be resolved before an unfortunate incident of us firing a nuclear missile comes."
    -unidentified North Korean official (could be US propoganda though)

    that sucks big time. Especially when we have adopted an anti-diplomacy policy worldwide.
  • svh
    svh Posts: 21
    outontheporch wrote:
    I already lost my best friend over there. Man the world sucks these days. But when did it ever not suck? Maybe back when all we had to worry about was grabbing some caveman food. But even they had to worry about dinasaurs or some crap. Whatever, I'm going to go have a beer and play some Final Fantasy and pretend I was in the game, instead of here.

    There (stoneage) wasn´t any internatinoal propaganda sytem to make people feel scared all the time, that´s all. I´m sorry that you´re involved personally, I hope your friends are ok...
    ...a pearl, turning dirt into something beautiful - e.v
  • LikeAnOcean
    LikeAnOcean Posts: 7,718
    svh wrote:
    There (stoneage) wasn´t any internatinoal propaganda sytem to make people feel scared all the time,
    No. There was propoganda amongst tribes that evil spirits lived in the woods, ec.. people have always resorted to lies for their own agendas.

    There's always been propoganda. Big or small, it really makes no difference.
  • Byrnzie
    Byrnzie Posts: 21,037
    jeffbr wrote:
    We have been pursing diplomatic solutions through a few different avenues. Most recently the six-party talks, with their multilateral format, tried to create dialog that wouldn't create a US vs. N. Korea situation. It was multilateral pressure from US, Russia, China, S. Korea, and Japan. And it wasn't all about threats. There were offers of opening up trade, improving relations with neighbors, etc...

    But I expect you'll go on believing that the US is the source of all problems everywhere in the world, even in the face of contrary evidence.

    I don't believe the U.S is the source of all problems everywhere in the world, but I do believe it's one of the main causes of most of the worlds problems. I expect that the majority of people in the world would agree with this.
  • Byrnzie
    Byrnzie Posts: 21,037
    LikeAnOcean wrote:
    No. There was propoganda amongst tribes that evil spirits lived in the woods, ec.. people have always resorted to lies for their own agendas.

    There's always been propoganda. Big or small, it really makes no difference.

    And what exactly do you believe was behind this supposed propaganda which was made at making people afraid of the woods? You've totally lost me here.
  • LikeAnOcean
    LikeAnOcean Posts: 7,718
    Byrnzie wrote:
    And what exactly do you believe was behind this supposed propaganda which was made at making people afraid of the woods? You've totally lost me here.
    Control. You create lies in order to control people. Its a very primitive human trait. Its so simple even children to it.
  • Cosmo
    Cosmo Posts: 12,225
    LikeAnOcean wrote:
    Control. You create lies in order to control people. Its a very primitive human trait. Its so simple even children to it.
    ...
    I agree. I think it's the same mechanism used by the original authors of the Bible... FEAR. A FEARFUL God is more commanding than a benevolent one... a vengeful god will forsake you for eternity... so, you better damn well do as he says or you'll get yours in the end.
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    Hail, Hail!!!
  • surferdude
    surferdude Posts: 2,057
    Cosmo wrote:
    ...
    I agree. I think it's the same mechanism used by the original authors of the Bible... FEAR. A FEARFUL God is more commanding than a benevolent one... a vengeful god will forsake you for eternity... so, you better damn well do as he says or you'll get yours in the end.
    How do you account for the New Testament?
    “One good thing about music,
    when it hits you, you feel to pain.
    So brutalize me with music.”
    ~ Bob Marley
  • Cosmo
    Cosmo Posts: 12,225
    surferdude wrote:
    How do you account for the New Testament?
    ...
    Are you talking about the edited version... or the actual testaments?
    Allen Fieldhouse, home of the 2008 NCAA men's Basketball Champions! Go Jayhawks!
    Hail, Hail!!!
  • surferdude
    surferdude Posts: 2,057
    Cosmo wrote:
    ...
    Are you talking about the edited version... or the actual testaments?
    The widely published version, say like a King James.
    “One good thing about music,
    when it hits you, you feel to pain.
    So brutalize me with music.”
    ~ Bob Marley
  • Cosmo
    Cosmo Posts: 12,225
    surferdude wrote:
    The widely published version, say like a King James.
    ...
    What about it? God is no longer the vengeful, ultimate judge of Man in that version? I know... Jesus Saves... blah, blah, blah... So, we are all given a reprieve and can do horrible things to each other and still avoid the Lake of Fire as long as we have Jesus in our hearts.
    If that's true... what's up with the term, "God fearing Christian"?
    Allen Fieldhouse, home of the 2008 NCAA men's Basketball Champions! Go Jayhawks!
    Hail, Hail!!!
  • hippiemom
    hippiemom Posts: 3,326
    Cosmo wrote:
    ...
    What about it? God is no longer the vengeful, ultimate judge of Man in that version? I know... Jesus Saves... blah, blah, blah... So, we are all given a reprieve and can do horrible things to each other and still avoid the Lake of Fire as long as we have Jesus in our hearts.
    If that's true... what's up with the term, "God fearing Christian"?
    And if you don't believe in Jesus, it doesn't matter how exemplary a life you lead, it's still off to the lake of fire with you.
    "Nothing in the world is more dangerous than sincere ignorance and conscientious stupidity." ~ MLK, 1963
  • Cosmo
    Cosmo Posts: 12,225
    hippiemom wrote:
    And if you don't believe in Jesus, it doesn't matter how exemplary a life you lead, it's still off to the lake of fire with you.
    ...
    FEAR is a great motivator. That's the point I'm making. The Government uses it... as does the Church. "You'd better damn well believe in Jesus... or else, Hell awaits you" works as well as, "We better march off to War in Iraq or suffer the consequences of a Mushroom Cloud over America".
    Gotta go with what works, right?
    Allen Fieldhouse, home of the 2008 NCAA men's Basketball Champions! Go Jayhawks!
    Hail, Hail!!!
  • polaris
    polaris Posts: 3,527
    Cosmo wrote:
    ...
    FEAR is a great motivator. That's the point I'm making. The Government uses it... as does the Church. "You'd better damn well believe in Jesus... or else, Hell awaits you" works as well as, "We better march off to War in Iraq or suffer the consequences of a Mushroom Cloud over America".
    Gotta go with what works, right?

    what makes it difficult is that there is some fears that are worth heeding ... poor diets, toxic waste, etc ... how does one distinguish what is legitimate fear and what isn't?
  • Cosmo
    Cosmo Posts: 12,225
    polaris wrote:
    what makes it difficult is that there is some fears that are worth heeding ... poor diets, toxic waste, etc ... how does one distinguish what is legitimate fear and what isn't?
    ...
    I don't know. I guess you just have to figure that one out yourself.
    Allen Fieldhouse, home of the 2008 NCAA men's Basketball Champions! Go Jayhawks!
    Hail, Hail!!!
  • Byrnzie
    Byrnzie Posts: 21,037
    LikeAnOcean wrote:
    No. There was propoganda amongst tribes that evil spirits lived in the woods, ec.. people have always resorted to lies for their own agendas.

    There's always been propoganda. Big or small, it really makes no difference.

    I just find it intereseting that you can dismiss 8000 years of human belief in, and interaction with, a spirit world, and occult practices which was a central part of their lives, and which continues to be for many peoples in the world. So you believe that people are capable of deluding themselves for 8000 years +. I'm not so sure. I mean Christianity only survived for 2000 years, and it's influence is negligible. Shamanism is still alive and strong to this day in many parts of the world and is seeing something of a resurgence in many places as we come to realise our inter-dependency with our environment. To dismiss these beliefs as mere propaganda seems to be a tad facile.
  • Ahnimus
    Ahnimus Posts: 10,560
    Byrnzie wrote:
    I just find it intereseting that you can dismiss 8000 years of human belief in, and interaction with, a spirit world, and occult practices which was a central part of their lives, and which continues to be for many peoples in the world. So you believe that people are capable of deluding themselves for 8000 years +. I'm not so sure. I mean Christianity only survived for 2000 years, and it's influence is negligible. Shamanism is still alive and strong to this day in many parts of the world and is seeing something of a resurgence in many places as we come to realise our inter-dependency with our environment. To dismiss these beliefs as mere propaganda seems to be a tad facile.

    Shamans use Sage plants like Salvia Divinorium to induce a hallucinagenic state. If you are hallucinating, your reality can be anything. If someone makes a suggestion to you, you will experience it.
    I necessarily have the passion for writing this, and you have the passion for condemning me; both of us are equally fools, equally the toys of destiny. Your nature is to do harm, mine is to love truth, and to make it public in spite of you. - Voltaire
  • rebornFixer
    rebornFixer Posts: 4,901
    Byrnzie wrote:
    I mean Christianity only survived for 2000 years, and it's influence is negligible.

    ???!

    Wow ...
  • enharmonic
    enharmonic Posts: 1,917
    I'm not afraid to die. I'm more afraid that I'll live to be 100 in this fucked up world. Thanks, but no thanks. This body is holding me back.
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  • John Budge
    John Budge Posts: 259
    outontheporch wrote:
    Man the way the world is now, I'm seriously scared every day of my life. There's not a moment that goes by where I'm not at least slightly peturbed about what will happen next. I'm not blambing GW or anyone in particular. I'll leave that to you guys. I'm paranoid now that a nuke will fall on my head any minute after hearing about N. Korea's test. I can't enjoy life 100%, because I'm always afraid now of my friend's in Iraq that are in danger. I already lost my best friend over there. Man the world sucks these days. But when did it ever not suck? Maybe back when all we had to worry about was grabbing some caveman food. But even they had to worry about dinasaurs or some crap. Whatever, I'm going to go have a beer and play some Final Fantasy and pretend I was in the game, instead of here.
    This is just what Bush and the Republicans want. So much for the liberal media. lol

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