I would suggest that these other Asian countries focus most of their attention on diplomacy with the U.S. Afterall, it's the U.S that is rattling sabres as per usual.
Don't know if you heard, but N. Korea just rattled a sabre this weekend.
I would say that diplomacy needs to be pursued with both the U.S and North Korea by all third parties concerned.
3rd parties have been talking with both sides for years. 3rd parties have expressed displeasure at N. Korea's actions. 3rd parties have encouraged us to pursue diplomatic efforts and involve the UN which is what has been happening for years to little affect. What would be your next step? Or are we back to the head-in-the-sand propsal?
"I'll use the magic word - let's just shut the fuck up, please." EV, 04/13/08
Does anyone remember when not long after Bush first took office he managed to create a dangerous situation with China? Remember that Chinese plane that was knocked out of the sky? tensions were running high and there was talk of a crises e.t.c? People have short memories. China couldn't give a fuck about the Bush Administration. But obviously they're concerned that any conflict between the U.S and Korea may draw them in. It's obviously in their interests to make a show of condemning Korea in public. What's actually going on behind closed doors between China and North Korea is another matter.
You know.. there are things far worse than punk-ass North Korea out there.
There are literally hundreds of thousands of meteors out there... some the size of Texas that intersect Earth's orbit. One hit from one of them and you won't have to worry about the Korean George Bush anymore.
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In other words... don't sweat it. You cannot control the things you cannot control. Just take care of your little corner of the planet.
This life and this planet have a lot of wonderful things to offer... you just need to take the time to enjoy them. Put your bike on the rack and drive it down to the beach and cruise the strand... enjoy the Sun and the surf. Stop to take in the wildflowers that cling to the sides of the cliffs. Put things into perspective and center yourself again. Just do your part and figure that even if Kim Jong Il and George W. Bush aren't doing their part... at least you are doing yours.
Allen Fieldhouse, home of the 2008 NCAA men's Basketball Champions! Go Jayhawks!
Hail, Hail!!!
Don't know if you heard, but N. Korea just rattled a sabre this weekend.
3rd parties have been talking with both sides for years. 3rd parties have expressed displeasure at N. Korea's actions. 3rd parties have encouraged us to pursue diplomatic efforts and involve the UN which is what has been happening for years to little affect. What would be your next step? Or are we back to the head-in-the-sand propsal?
Just as I said, 'rattling sabres'. Taunting, bribing and threatening North Korea. These 'diplomatic efforts' you speak of. What are they? Threats of sanctions e.t.c. Bully-boy tactics! Same with Iran. I.e, business as usual.
Whats scarier to me is not that they have them, but that they are already threatening to use them.
Really? When? You mean, just like Iran, they have said that if they are attacked then they will retaliate? Right. And if the U.S was attacked with nuclear missiles would they not retaliate?
So what's your point?
Really? When? You mean, just like Iran, they have said that if they are attacked then they will retaliate? Right. And if the U.S was attacked with nuclear missiles would they not retaliate?
So what's your point?
Except, Iran isn't threatening to use them.
Give me second, I'll find the story. I'm pretty sure it was otherwise, but if I'm wrong you can sue me.
Really? When? You mean, just like Iran, they have said that if they are attacked then they will retaliate? Right. And if the U.S was attacked with nuclear missiles would they not retaliate?
So what's your point?
Maybe I'm reading it wrong, but they are threatening to fire one unless we talk with them.
"We hope the situation will be resolved before an unfortunate incident of us firing a nuclear missile comes."
-unidentified North Korean official (could be US propoganda though)
Maybe I'm reading it wrong, but they are threatening to fire one unless we talk with them.
"We hope the situation will be resolved before an unfortunate incident of us firing a nuclear missile comes."
-unidentified North Korean official (could be US propoganda though)
'South Korea's Yonhap news agency, in a dispatch carried by The Associated Press, quoted an unidentified North Korean official as saying, "We hope the situation will be resolved before an unfortunate incident of us firing a nuclear missile comes."
"That depends on how the U.S. will act," the official said.'
Hmm, this could be interpreted in a couple of ways. I would expect that unless he's asking for North Korea to be retaliated against, and for millions of people to die, and that he's therefore insane, that in fact what he is saying is that North Korea will fire a missile if attacked first.
'South Korea's Yonhap news agency, in a dispatch carried by The Associated Press, quoted an unidentified North Korean official as saying, "We hope the situation will be resolved before an unfortunate incident of us firing a nuclear missile comes."
"That depends on how the U.S. will act," the official said.'
Hmm, this could be interpreted in a couple of ways. I would expect that unless he's asking for North Korea to be retaliated against, and for millions of people to die, and that he's therefore insane, that in fact what he is saying is that North Korea will fire a missile if attacked first.
I totally understand your original point, but either way, the idea of a nuke being launched is scary. Lets just hope he really isn't insane, or going insane.
Just as I said, 'rattling sabres'. Taunting, bribing and threatening North Korea. These 'diplomatic efforts' you speak of. What are they? Threats of sanctions e.t.c. Bully-boy tactics! Same with Iran. I.e, business as usual.
We have been pursing diplomatic solutions through a few different avenues. Most recently the six-party talks, with their multilateral format, tried to create dialog that wouldn't create a US vs. N. Korea situation. It was multilateral pressure from US, Russia, China, S. Korea, and Japan. And it wasn't all about threats. There were offers of opening up trade, improving relations with neighbors, etc...
But I expect you'll go on believing that the US is the source of all problems everywhere in the world, even in the face of contrary evidence.
"I'll use the magic word - let's just shut the fuck up, please." EV, 04/13/08
Maybe I'm reading it wrong, but they are threatening to fire one unless we talk with them.
"We hope the situation will be resolved before an unfortunate incident of us firing a nuclear missile comes."
-unidentified North Korean official (could be US propoganda though)
that sucks big time. Especially when we have adopted an anti-diplomacy policy worldwide.
I already lost my best friend over there. Man the world sucks these days. But when did it ever not suck? Maybe back when all we had to worry about was grabbing some caveman food. But even they had to worry about dinasaurs or some crap. Whatever, I'm going to go have a beer and play some Final Fantasy and pretend I was in the game, instead of here.
There (stoneage) wasn´t any internatinoal propaganda sytem to make people feel scared all the time, that´s all. I´m sorry that you´re involved personally, I hope your friends are ok...
...a pearl, turning dirt into something beautiful - e.v
We have been pursing diplomatic solutions through a few different avenues. Most recently the six-party talks, with their multilateral format, tried to create dialog that wouldn't create a US vs. N. Korea situation. It was multilateral pressure from US, Russia, China, S. Korea, and Japan. And it wasn't all about threats. There were offers of opening up trade, improving relations with neighbors, etc...
But I expect you'll go on believing that the US is the source of all problems everywhere in the world, even in the face of contrary evidence.
I don't believe the U.S is the source of all problems everywhere in the world, but I do believe it's one of the main causes of most of the worlds problems. I expect that the majority of people in the world would agree with this.
Control. You create lies in order to control people. Its a very primitive human trait. Its so simple even children to it.
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I agree. I think it's the same mechanism used by the original authors of the Bible... FEAR. A FEARFUL God is more commanding than a benevolent one... a vengeful god will forsake you for eternity... so, you better damn well do as he says or you'll get yours in the end.
Allen Fieldhouse, home of the 2008 NCAA men's Basketball Champions! Go Jayhawks!
Hail, Hail!!!
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I agree. I think it's the same mechanism used by the original authors of the Bible... FEAR. A FEARFUL God is more commanding than a benevolent one... a vengeful god will forsake you for eternity... so, you better damn well do as he says or you'll get yours in the end.
How do you account for the New Testament?
“One good thing about music,
when it hits you, you feel to pain.
So brutalize me with music.”
~ Bob Marley
The widely published version, say like a King James.
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What about it? God is no longer the vengeful, ultimate judge of Man in that version? I know... Jesus Saves... blah, blah, blah... So, we are all given a reprieve and can do horrible things to each other and still avoid the Lake of Fire as long as we have Jesus in our hearts.
If that's true... what's up with the term, "God fearing Christian"?
Allen Fieldhouse, home of the 2008 NCAA men's Basketball Champions! Go Jayhawks!
Hail, Hail!!!
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What about it? God is no longer the vengeful, ultimate judge of Man in that version? I know... Jesus Saves... blah, blah, blah... So, we are all given a reprieve and can do horrible things to each other and still avoid the Lake of Fire as long as we have Jesus in our hearts.
If that's true... what's up with the term, "God fearing Christian"?
And if you don't believe in Jesus, it doesn't matter how exemplary a life you lead, it's still off to the lake of fire with you.
"Nothing in the world is more dangerous than sincere ignorance and conscientious stupidity." ~ MLK, 1963
And if you don't believe in Jesus, it doesn't matter how exemplary a life you lead, it's still off to the lake of fire with you.
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FEAR is a great motivator. That's the point I'm making. The Government uses it... as does the Church. "You'd better damn well believe in Jesus... or else, Hell awaits you" works as well as, "We better march off to War in Iraq or suffer the consequences of a Mushroom Cloud over America".
Gotta go with what works, right?
Allen Fieldhouse, home of the 2008 NCAA men's Basketball Champions! Go Jayhawks!
Hail, Hail!!!
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FEAR is a great motivator. That's the point I'm making. The Government uses it... as does the Church. "You'd better damn well believe in Jesus... or else, Hell awaits you" works as well as, "We better march off to War in Iraq or suffer the consequences of a Mushroom Cloud over America".
Gotta go with what works, right?
what makes it difficult is that there is some fears that are worth heeding ... poor diets, toxic waste, etc ... how does one distinguish what is legitimate fear and what isn't?
what makes it difficult is that there is some fears that are worth heeding ... poor diets, toxic waste, etc ... how does one distinguish what is legitimate fear and what isn't?
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I don't know. I guess you just have to figure that one out yourself.
Allen Fieldhouse, home of the 2008 NCAA men's Basketball Champions! Go Jayhawks!
Hail, Hail!!!
No. There was propoganda amongst tribes that evil spirits lived in the woods, ec.. people have always resorted to lies for their own agendas.
There's always been propoganda. Big or small, it really makes no difference.
I just find it intereseting that you can dismiss 8000 years of human belief in, and interaction with, a spirit world, and occult practices which was a central part of their lives, and which continues to be for many peoples in the world. So you believe that people are capable of deluding themselves for 8000 years +. I'm not so sure. I mean Christianity only survived for 2000 years, and it's influence is negligible. Shamanism is still alive and strong to this day in many parts of the world and is seeing something of a resurgence in many places as we come to realise our inter-dependency with our environment. To dismiss these beliefs as mere propaganda seems to be a tad facile.
I just find it intereseting that you can dismiss 8000 years of human belief in, and interaction with, a spirit world, and occult practices which was a central part of their lives, and which continues to be for many peoples in the world. So you believe that people are capable of deluding themselves for 8000 years +. I'm not so sure. I mean Christianity only survived for 2000 years, and it's influence is negligible. Shamanism is still alive and strong to this day in many parts of the world and is seeing something of a resurgence in many places as we come to realise our inter-dependency with our environment. To dismiss these beliefs as mere propaganda seems to be a tad facile.
Shamans use Sage plants like Salvia Divinorium to induce a hallucinagenic state. If you are hallucinating, your reality can be anything. If someone makes a suggestion to you, you will experience it.
I necessarily have the passion for writing this, and you have the passion for condemning me; both of us are equally fools, equally the toys of destiny. Your nature is to do harm, mine is to love truth, and to make it public in spite of you. - Voltaire
Man the way the world is now, I'm seriously scared every day of my life. There's not a moment that goes by where I'm not at least slightly peturbed about what will happen next. I'm not blambing GW or anyone in particular. I'll leave that to you guys. I'm paranoid now that a nuke will fall on my head any minute after hearing about N. Korea's test. I can't enjoy life 100%, because I'm always afraid now of my friend's in Iraq that are in danger. I already lost my best friend over there. Man the world sucks these days. But when did it ever not suck? Maybe back when all we had to worry about was grabbing some caveman food. But even they had to worry about dinasaurs or some crap. Whatever, I'm going to go have a beer and play some Final Fantasy and pretend I was in the game, instead of here.
This is just what Bush and the Republicans want. So much for the liberal media. lol
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3rd parties have been talking with both sides for years. 3rd parties have expressed displeasure at N. Korea's actions. 3rd parties have encouraged us to pursue diplomatic efforts and involve the UN which is what has been happening for years to little affect. What would be your next step? Or are we back to the head-in-the-sand propsal?
There are literally hundreds of thousands of meteors out there... some the size of Texas that intersect Earth's orbit. One hit from one of them and you won't have to worry about the Korean George Bush anymore.
...
In other words... don't sweat it. You cannot control the things you cannot control. Just take care of your little corner of the planet.
This life and this planet have a lot of wonderful things to offer... you just need to take the time to enjoy them. Put your bike on the rack and drive it down to the beach and cruise the strand... enjoy the Sun and the surf. Stop to take in the wildflowers that cling to the sides of the cliffs. Put things into perspective and center yourself again. Just do your part and figure that even if Kim Jong Il and George W. Bush aren't doing their part... at least you are doing yours.
Hail, Hail!!!
Just as I said, 'rattling sabres'. Taunting, bribing and threatening North Korea. These 'diplomatic efforts' you speak of. What are they? Threats of sanctions e.t.c. Bully-boy tactics! Same with Iran. I.e, business as usual.
Really? When? You mean, just like Iran, they have said that if they are attacked then they will retaliate? Right. And if the U.S was attacked with nuclear missiles would they not retaliate?
So what's your point?
Give me second, I'll find the story. I'm pretty sure it was otherwise, but if I'm wrong you can sue me.
Maybe I'm reading it wrong, but they are threatening to fire one unless we talk with them.
"We hope the situation will be resolved before an unfortunate incident of us firing a nuclear missile comes."
-unidentified North Korean official (could be US propoganda though)
'South Korea's Yonhap news agency, in a dispatch carried by The Associated Press, quoted an unidentified North Korean official as saying, "We hope the situation will be resolved before an unfortunate incident of us firing a nuclear missile comes."
"That depends on how the U.S. will act," the official said.'
Hmm, this could be interpreted in a couple of ways. I would expect that unless he's asking for North Korea to be retaliated against, and for millions of people to die, and that he's therefore insane, that in fact what he is saying is that North Korea will fire a missile if attacked first.
We have been pursing diplomatic solutions through a few different avenues. Most recently the six-party talks, with their multilateral format, tried to create dialog that wouldn't create a US vs. N. Korea situation. It was multilateral pressure from US, Russia, China, S. Korea, and Japan. And it wasn't all about threats. There were offers of opening up trade, improving relations with neighbors, etc...
But I expect you'll go on believing that the US is the source of all problems everywhere in the world, even in the face of contrary evidence.
that sucks big time. Especially when we have adopted an anti-diplomacy policy worldwide.
There (stoneage) wasn´t any internatinoal propaganda sytem to make people feel scared all the time, that´s all. I´m sorry that you´re involved personally, I hope your friends are ok...
There's always been propoganda. Big or small, it really makes no difference.
I don't believe the U.S is the source of all problems everywhere in the world, but I do believe it's one of the main causes of most of the worlds problems. I expect that the majority of people in the world would agree with this.
And what exactly do you believe was behind this supposed propaganda which was made at making people afraid of the woods? You've totally lost me here.
I agree. I think it's the same mechanism used by the original authors of the Bible... FEAR. A FEARFUL God is more commanding than a benevolent one... a vengeful god will forsake you for eternity... so, you better damn well do as he says or you'll get yours in the end.
Hail, Hail!!!
when it hits you, you feel to pain.
So brutalize me with music.”
~ Bob Marley
Are you talking about the edited version... or the actual testaments?
Hail, Hail!!!
when it hits you, you feel to pain.
So brutalize me with music.”
~ Bob Marley
What about it? God is no longer the vengeful, ultimate judge of Man in that version? I know... Jesus Saves... blah, blah, blah... So, we are all given a reprieve and can do horrible things to each other and still avoid the Lake of Fire as long as we have Jesus in our hearts.
If that's true... what's up with the term, "God fearing Christian"?
Hail, Hail!!!
FEAR is a great motivator. That's the point I'm making. The Government uses it... as does the Church. "You'd better damn well believe in Jesus... or else, Hell awaits you" works as well as, "We better march off to War in Iraq or suffer the consequences of a Mushroom Cloud over America".
Gotta go with what works, right?
Hail, Hail!!!
what makes it difficult is that there is some fears that are worth heeding ... poor diets, toxic waste, etc ... how does one distinguish what is legitimate fear and what isn't?
I don't know. I guess you just have to figure that one out yourself.
Hail, Hail!!!
I just find it intereseting that you can dismiss 8000 years of human belief in, and interaction with, a spirit world, and occult practices which was a central part of their lives, and which continues to be for many peoples in the world. So you believe that people are capable of deluding themselves for 8000 years +. I'm not so sure. I mean Christianity only survived for 2000 years, and it's influence is negligible. Shamanism is still alive and strong to this day in many parts of the world and is seeing something of a resurgence in many places as we come to realise our inter-dependency with our environment. To dismiss these beliefs as mere propaganda seems to be a tad facile.
Shamans use Sage plants like Salvia Divinorium to induce a hallucinagenic state. If you are hallucinating, your reality can be anything. If someone makes a suggestion to you, you will experience it.
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Wow ...
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