Are abortion clinic bombers terrorists?

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  • polaris
    polaris Posts: 3,527
    digster wrote:
    I understand if saveuplife is trying to play Devil's advocate here, but there is absolutely no argument that this is not terrorism.

    he's not ... what he's doing is giving her the benefit of the doubt - which is understandable considering he supports her ...

    although she didn't flat out say they aren't terrorists - she also doesn't come close to calling them that either ... basically, she ducked the question and so, saveup is doing what most would - give her some slack ...
  • saveuplife
    saveuplife Posts: 1,173
    digster wrote:
    Than a Palestinian suicide bomber who blows up a bus in Jerusalem is not a terrorist? Then an Islamic fundamentalist who drives a plane into a building is not a terrorist since it's not a government building?


    Your right. I'm simply saying that from the sequence of events that led up to that question, I can see how she would say "I don't know if I'd use the word terrorism" but the act is awful.

    Like I said, the acts are not completely the same. The target is different.

    I'm only defending her because I think the term terrorism is loose and apt to be applied to everything. I think her point was the too acts are not equivalent. I don't see anything wrong with what she said. That's my take, you are entitled to your own.
  • PJ_Saluki
    PJ_Saluki Posts: 1,006
    Jeremy1012 wrote:
    Sounds to me like it's you who has an odd grasp of semantics.

    Any use of non-military violence to force political reaction is terrorism.

    I don't even know if the military is exempt. Semantical argument could be made that some uses of military force such as the bombing runs over English and German cities in WWII were acts of terrorism.
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  • Jeremy1012
    Jeremy1012 Posts: 7,170
    PJ_Saluki wrote:
    I don't even know if the military is exempt. Semantical argument could be made that some uses of military force such as the bombing runs over English and German cities in WWII were acts of terrorism.
    Yeah but generally in declared war these acts are considered legitimate, legally anyway, if not morally.
    "I remember one night at Muzdalifa with nothing but the sky overhead, I lay awake amid sleeping Muslim brothers and I learned that pilgrims from every land — every colour, and class, and rank; high officials and the beggar alike — all snored in the same language"
  • saveuplife
    saveuplife Posts: 1,173
    polaris wrote:
    he's not ... what he's doing is giving her the benefit of the doubt - which is understandable considering he supports her ...

    although she didn't flat out say they aren't terrorists - she also doesn't come close to calling them that either ... basically, she ducked the question and so, saveup is doing what most would - give her some slack ...


    Thank you.
  • PJ_Saluki
    PJ_Saluki Posts: 1,006
    polaris wrote:
    ... basically, she ducked the question and so, saveup is doing what most would - give her some slack ...

    The followup question should have been: "Governor, if you wouldn't label abortion clinic bombers as terrorists, what would you call them?"

    An interviewer doesn't have to stop a valid line of questioning just because a person being interviewed wants to duck the question. And I do think this is a valid line of questioning. I would think the same if that same interviewer went after Obama. I hate how pols get a pass from so many reporters. Be tough.
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  • digster
    digster Posts: 1,293
    saveuplife wrote:
    Your right. I'm simply saying that from the sequence of events that led up to that question, I can see how she would say "I don't know if I'd use the word terrorism" but the act is awful.

    Like I said, the acts are not completely the same. The target is different.

    No, the acts are completely the same. There is no "wiggle room" here.

    So, William Ayers is "maybe" a terrorist? A Palestinian suicide bomber is "maybe" a terrorist? What makes the latter's actions different than the actions of someone who bombs an abortion clinic? Neither are attacking government buildings, and both are attempting to achieve political ends.
  • polaris
    polaris Posts: 3,527
    saveuplife wrote:
    Thank you.

    well ... in all honesty ... it's like defending oj simpson in this regard ... his supporters will always give him the benefit of the doubt ... i see this to be the same with you and her ...
  • fugawzi
    fugawzi Posts: 891
    absolutely....what the fuck does Sarah Palin know anyway?
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  • polaris
    polaris Posts: 3,527
    PJ_Saluki wrote:
    The followup question should have been: "Governor, if you wouldn't label abortion clinic bombers as terrorists, what would you call them?"

    An interviewer doesn't have to stop a valid line of questioning just because a person being interviewed wants to duck the question. And I do think this is a valid line of questioning. I would think the same if that same interviewer went after Obama. I hate how pols get a pass from so many reporters. Be tough.

    well ... you have the right basically using the media has a liberal bias BS - so, their hands are essentially tied ...

    the media (at least the major media outlets) are a joke ... if they were doing their job ... bush wouldn't be in power now and palin would still not be running for vp ...

    but that's just my take
  • saveuplife
    saveuplife Posts: 1,173
    polaris wrote:
    well ... in all honesty ... it's like defending oj simpson in this regard ... his supporters will always give him the benefit of the doubt ... i see this to be the same with you and her ...


    Couldn't just take the thanks and go, huh? :P
  • polaris
    polaris Posts: 3,527
    saveuplife wrote:
    Couldn't just take the thanks and go, huh? :P

    haha ... i just didn't couldn't have you thinking i was changing my mind on her ... :)
  • PJ_Saluki
    PJ_Saluki Posts: 1,006
    polaris wrote:
    well ... you have the right basically using the media has a liberal bias BS - so, their hands are essentially tied ...

    the media (at least the major media outlets) are a joke ... if they were doing their job ... bush wouldn't be in power now and palin would still not be running for vp ...

    but that's just my take

    I think you're right, especially as it relates to TV.
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  • saveuplife
    saveuplife Posts: 1,173
    digster wrote:
    No, the acts are completely the same. There is no "wiggle room" here.

    No, they are in fact not the same. One is against a private building housing a a private staff... paid for privately. One is against a public building housing a public staff.... paid for by our tax money.

    Chillax, man. I just don't see a problem at all with what she said. No matter how long you type away at your computer.... you aren't going to change my mind.
  • digster
    digster Posts: 1,293
    saveuplife wrote:
    No, they are in fact not the same. One is against a private building housing a a private staff... paid for privately. One is against a public building housing a public staff.... paid for by our tax money.

    Chillax, man. I just don't see a problem at all with what she said. No matter how long you type away at your computer.... you aren't going to change my mind.

    Rarely am I an asshole in this regard, but you are simply wrong on this one. Considering how well you articulate your positions usually, it's just kind of baffling that you take this position.
  • Jeremy1012
    Jeremy1012 Posts: 7,170
    saveuplife wrote:
    No, they are in fact not the same. One is against a private building housing a a private staff... paid for privately. One is against a public building housing a public staff.... paid for by our tax money.

    Chillax, man. I just don't see a problem at all with what she said. No matter how long you type away at your computer.... you aren't going to change my mind.
    People are entitled to disagree with you though, and to voice their disagreement. That's the point of a discussion board, particularly a political one :)
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  • saveuplife
    saveuplife Posts: 1,173
    digster wrote:
    Rarely am I an asshole in this regard, but you are simply wrong on this one. Considering how well you articulate your positions usually, it's just kind of baffling that you take this position.


    I appreciate the noncompliment and compliment. ;)

    I'm losing my political argument mindset because I have beer on the brain. It's Friday. Friday's will still be great, even if Obama gets elected. It's just that I'll have less money for happy hour.
  • g under p
    g under p Surfing The far side of THE Sombrero Galaxy Posts: 18,237
    YES, I'm sure someone gets terrified by there actions.

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  • digster
    digster Posts: 1,293
    saveuplife wrote:
    I appreciate the noncompliment and compliment. ;)

    I'm losing my political argument mindset because I have beer on the brain. It's Friday. Friday's will still be great, even if Obama gets elected. It's just that I'll have less money for happy hour.

    Well, see that's why I'm voting. Speaking as a part of the alcoholic voting bloc, I've had a shitty economy, wages not keeping up with inflations, etc. for quite a few years now. Most importantly, I've had little money for alcohol. That's change we need.

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