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Are abortion clinic bombers terrorists?

NeilJamNeilJam Posts: 1,191
edited October 2008 in A Moving Train
Sarah Palin doesn't seem to think they are:

http://thinkprogress.org/2008/10/23/palin-abortion-clinic-bombers/
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  • __ Posts: 6,651
    NeilJam wrote:
    Sarah Palin doesn't seem to think they are:

    http://thinkprogress.org/2008/10/23/palin-abortion-clinic-bombers/

    Wow. Does anyone have a clip that continues on longer than this one?
  • jeffbrjeffbr Seattle Posts: 7,177
    scb wrote:
    Wow. Does anyone have a clip that continues on longer than this one?

    I too would like to hear the rest of the answer, but based on what I heard, Palin is wrong. Of course they're terrorists. I'm sure she thinks they're Christian soldiers doing God's work, but she would be wrong.
    "I'll use the magic word - let's just shut the fuck up, please." EV, 04/13/08
  • nothingheadnothinghead Posts: 270
    Yeah, I'd like to see the rest of the answer too.

    It's concerning that anyone can defend people who blow up buildings, harm innocent, and/or kill innocent people.

    Even if you are pro-life and running for the vice presidency, are you afraid of losing the homicidal right-wing terrorist vote?

    Just say, "yes, terrorism is using fear or 'terror' as means of coercion. That fits the bill."

    I don't think there's any arguing about it. Political affiliations shouldn't infect your thinking to the point where words lose all meaning.

    But, I would still be interested in hearing the rest of the response. For all I know, she might have said something similar to this.
  • cincybearcatcincybearcat Posts: 16,500
    Of course they are terrorists.
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  • Jeremy1012Jeremy1012 Posts: 7,170
    Terrorists and the most moronic people on earth. That's some good pro-life action right there, killing people...
    "I remember one night at Muzdalifa with nothing but the sky overhead, I lay awake amid sleeping Muslim brothers and I learned that pilgrims from every land — every colour, and class, and rank; high officials and the beggar alike — all snored in the same language"
  • Stone Is GodStone Is God Posts: 1,331
    Jeremy1012 wrote:
    Terrorists and the most moronic people on earth. That's some good pro-life action right there, killing people...

    I could never figure that one out. Pro-lifers killing people. Unreal.
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  • saveuplifesaveuplife Posts: 1,173
    NeilJam wrote:
    Sarah Palin doesn't seem to think they are:

    http://thinkprogress.org/2008/10/23/palin-abortion-clinic-bombers/


    She said "that behavior is unacceptable" but, "I don't know if you are going to use the word terrorist there".

    This is an argument of semantics and a silly one at that.

    People who bomb abortion clinics should go to prison forever and I'm pro-life... that said, I agree that I wouldn't know if they'd fit under the term "terrorist".... I see absolutely nothing wrong with what she said.
  • cincybearcatcincybearcat Posts: 16,500
    Stone Is God wrote:
    I could never figure that one out. Pro-lifers killing people. Unreal.


    Certainly sends the wrong message.

    I'm sure they think they are saving lives by killing people that kill babies....but sheesh, what a way to cloud the issue and drive people away from your side.
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  • NeilJamNeilJam Posts: 1,191
    jeffbr wrote:
    I too would like to hear the rest of the answer, but based on what I heard, Palin is wrong. Of course they're terrorists. I'm sure she thinks they're Christian soldiers doing God's work, but she would be wrong.


    I don't know what she could add to this statement that would make it better. How could they not be considered terrorists? Anyone else that bombs a building would be considered to be one.
  • jeffbrjeffbr Seattle Posts: 7,177
    NeilJam wrote:
    I don't know what she could add to this statement that would make it better. How could they not be considered terrorists? Anyone else that bombs a building would be considered to be one.

    I agree. That's actually why I wanted to hear the rest of the answer. I just can't image how she could answer any way other than "yes" so I don't know what more she possibly could have said.
    "I'll use the magic word - let's just shut the fuck up, please." EV, 04/13/08
  • josevolutionjosevolution Posts: 30,337
    fuck yeah they are totally and it doesn't matter what she says they are ...
    jesus greets me looks just like me ....
  • __ Posts: 6,651
    saveuplife wrote:
    She said "that behavior is unacceptable" but, "I don't know if you are going to use the word terrorist there".

    This is an argument of semantics and a silly one at that.

    People who bomb abortion clinics should go to prison forever and I'm pro-life... that said, I agree that I wouldn't know if they'd fit under the term "terrorist".... I see absolutely nothing wrong with what she said.

    Even if she's not going easy on abortion clinic bombers, at the very least she seems to not know what a terrorist is.
  • blackredyellowblackredyellow Posts: 5,889
    saveuplife wrote:
    She said "that behavior is unacceptable" but, "I don't know if you are going to use the word terrorist there".

    This is an argument of semantics and a silly one at that.

    People who bomb abortion clinics should go to prison forever and I'm pro-life... that said, I agree that I wouldn't know if they'd fit under the term "terrorist".... I see absolutely nothing wrong with what she said.


    Yeah, as much as I think that she's an idiot, I have to agree with you about it being semantics.

    Is a kid who shoots up a school a terrorist? Is someone who holds up a bank a terrorist? Is someone who robs and attacks a person at an ATM machine a terrorist? I guess by the definition that terrorist is someone who causes terror, just about any violent criminal action could be considered a terrorist attack.

    Should she have maybe answered it a little better? Yes, but it's not like she said that she's ok with abortion clinic bombings.
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  • harrymanbackharrymanback Posts: 435
    saw that last night ... pretty sad.
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  • saveuplifesaveuplife Posts: 1,173
    scb wrote:
    Even if she's not going easy on abortion clinic bombers, at the very least she seems to not know what a terrorist is.


    Read blackredyellow's response.... it speaks towards this. I don't know what exactly falls under the term terrorist either.... like he said, is someone who holds up a bank a terrorist?

    He answer was fine.
  • __ Posts: 6,651
    blackredyellow wrote:
    Yeah, as much as I think that she's an idiot, I have to agree with you about it being semantics.

    Is a kid who shoots up a school a terrorist? Is someone who holds up a bank a terrorist? Is someone who robs and attacks a person at an ATM machine a terrorist? I guess by the definition that terrorist is someone who causes terror, just about any violent criminal action could be considered a terrorist attack.

    Should she have maybe answered it a little better? Yes, but it's not like she said that she's ok with abortion clinic bombings.

    I don't think isolated events count as terrorism. Terrorism is more systematically used to change the behavior of a group. (Obviously that's not an exact definition.)

    Those who bomb abortion clinics do so with the intention of stopping not just one abortion provider, but also with the intention of scaring others into not providing abortions for fear that they might get bombed too.
  • VINNY GOOMBAVINNY GOOMBA Posts: 1,818
    saveuplife wrote:
    Read blackredyellow's response.... it speaks towards this. I don't know what exactly falls under the term terrorist either.... like he said, is someone who holds up a bank a terrorist?

    He answer was fine.

    That's exactly why laws like the Patriot Act are scary. 'Terrorist' and 'terrorism' are incredibly broad and general terms. Since 9/11, the actual meanings behind those words and to whom they apply are unncessarily changing to include more and more people.

    This why this legislation needs to be repealed.
  • Jeremy1012Jeremy1012 Posts: 7,170
    saveuplife wrote:
    She said "that behavior is unacceptable" but, "I don't know if you are going to use the word terrorist there".

    This is an argument of semantics and a silly one at that.

    People who bomb abortion clinics should go to prison forever and I'm pro-life... that said, I agree that I wouldn't know if they'd fit under the term "terrorist".... I see absolutely nothing wrong with what she said.
    They are attempting to force change by scaring people into thinking they'll be bombed if they get an abortion or perform abortions. It's the definition of terrorism. Using the fear of violence to make statements.
    "I remember one night at Muzdalifa with nothing but the sky overhead, I lay awake amid sleeping Muslim brothers and I learned that pilgrims from every land — every colour, and class, and rank; high officials and the beggar alike — all snored in the same language"
  • PJ_SalukiPJ_Saluki Posts: 1,006
    saveuplife wrote:
    She said "that behavior is unacceptable" but, "I don't know if you are going to use the word terrorist there".

    This is an argument of semantics and a silly one at that.

    People who bomb abortion clinics should go to prison forever and I'm pro-life... that said, I agree that I wouldn't know if they'd fit under the term "terrorist".... I see absolutely nothing wrong with what she said.

    Terrorism: "The use of violence and intimidation in the pursuit of political aims."

    Terrorist: "A person who uses terrorism in the pursuit of political aims."

    I understand it's about the definition of what is, is, but this is scary.

    It's more than semantics. Either she's ignorant of the definition of a terrorist or she's making an exception for terrorists who share her views. Take your pick.
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  • inmytreeinmytree Posts: 4,741
    the full clip...

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Uw5SA7Hks9s&feature=related


    by the way, I love the sigh....:)
  • jimed14jimed14 Posts: 9,488
    I'm sorry, how can someone who plants a bomb at an abortion clinic, aimed at stiking fear (or, you know, TERROR) into all people that work or go there NOT be called a terrorist?

    I know she said she does not condone it, and I strongly believe she doesn't condone it ... but still ... how can you NOT call abortion clinic bombers 'terrorists'?

    That is really fucking stupid.
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  • saveuplifesaveuplife Posts: 1,173
    PJ_Saluki wrote:
    Terrorism: "The use of violence and intimidation in the pursuit of political aims."

    Terrorist: "A person who uses terrorism in the pursuit of political aims."

    I understand it's about the definition of what is, is, but this is scary.

    It's more than semantics. Either she's ignorant of the definition of a terrorist or she's making an exception for terrorists who share her views. Take your pick.


    No, it's a semantical argument. She said "I don't know if I'd use the term terrorism". She never said it wasn't terrorism. Keep diggin.
  • NeilJamNeilJam Posts: 1,191
    scb wrote:
    I don't think isolated events count as terrorism. Terrorism is more systematically used to change the behavior of a group. (Obviously that's not an exact definition.)

    Those who bomb abortion clinics do so with the intention of stopping not just one abortion provider, but also with the intention of scaring others into not providing abortions for fear that they might get bombed too.


    Isolated events can count as terrorism, otherwise Timothy McVeigh wouldn't be considered a terrorist. Other than that part, I agree with your statement.
  • PJ_SalukiPJ_Saluki Posts: 1,006
    She can't stay off Ayers. Oh, "by his own admittance"? What was he trying to enter? This woman is DUMB and we can't have her close enough to the White House to give us four more years of dumb if McCain wins and he drops dead. She brings up the Ayers association, but she was speaking to Alaskan secessionists. I'll give her credit; she does know the definition of elitism. Nice job, Sarah. Now fill in the blank to spell this word: M_RON.

    EDIT: She doesn't want to label herself a feminist because she's not into labels...unless it's implying that only small-town republicans are "real" Americans.

    This woman just has me in a tizzy. She disgusts and enrages me, and yet like a moth to an electric zapper, I'm drawn to her. I know it's bad for me to listen to her speak; I just can't help it. She's turned me into a verbal rubbernecker.
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  • __ Posts: 6,651
    NeilJam wrote:
    Isolated events can count as terrorism, otherwise Timothy McVeigh wouldn't be considered a terrorist. Other than that part, I agree with your statement.

    Good point. :)
  • Jeremy1012Jeremy1012 Posts: 7,170
    saveuplife wrote:
    No, it's a semantical argument. She said "I don't know if I'd use the term terrorism". She never said it wasn't terrorism. Keep diggin.
    She didn't say it wasn't terrorism, this is true. Her uncertainty is disturbing though. If Bill Ayers is a terrorist, so are abortion clinic bombers. There is no difference. As someone said, either she doesn't understand the issue or she chooses not to call people terrorists if they share her views. I sincerely hope it's the former, really.
    "I remember one night at Muzdalifa with nothing but the sky overhead, I lay awake amid sleeping Muslim brothers and I learned that pilgrims from every land — every colour, and class, and rank; high officials and the beggar alike — all snored in the same language"
  • polarispolaris Posts: 3,527
    really ... at this stage - i feel real sorry for john mccain ... you suck it up and sell out to the powers to be so you can be president of the united states and those fockers saddle you with her!?? ...

    i commend mccain for saying all people should be prosecuted by the letter of the law equally - why on earth could she not bring herself to say that?? ... she ducked it at best as it relates to abortion clinic bombers ...
  • PJ_SalukiPJ_Saluki Posts: 1,006
    saveuplife wrote:
    No, it's a semantical argument. She said "I don't know if I'd use the term terrorism". She never said it wasn't terrorism. Keep diggin.

    No offense, but you're missing my point. If it has all the marks of terrorism, by definition it would be terrorism. If it's terrorism, then the perpetrators are terrorists. The followup question should have been: Governor, if you wouldn't label abortion clinic bombers as terrorists, what would you call them?"
    "Almost all those politicians took money from Enron, and there they are holding hearings. That's like O.J. Simpson getting in the Rae Carruth jury pool." -- Charles Barkley
  • saveuplifesaveuplife Posts: 1,173
    Jeremy1012 wrote:
    She didn't say it wasn't terrorism, this is true. Her uncertainty is disturbing though. If Bill Ayers is a terrorist, so are abortion clinic bombers. There is no difference. As someone said, either she doesn't understand the issue or she chooses not to call people terrorists if they share her views. I sincerely hope it's the former, really.

    I still think this is 100% semantics. I don't see 1 aspect of what she said to be incorrect. IMHO you are all nitpicking.
  • digsterdigster Posts: 1,293
    Of course it's terrorism. Saveup, you are reaching.
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