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Merkin Baller

DewieCox said:

I think you’re wildly underestimating how much his audience appreciate having their victim complex justified. Time to stop pretending that things like this do anything but strengthen their resolve.

Theres no such thing as truly de-platforming anyone. 

I’d love for you to be right but recent history says you're not, whether it’s Tucker or someone filling his shoes. 

Would that recent history include the last ten years, where the likes of Glenn Beck, Bill O'Reilly, Megyn Kelly & others have lost audience interest after parting ways with Fox? 

Because that recent history says I'm correct. 

mickeyrat

Merkin Baller said:

DewieCox said:

I think you’re wildly underestimating how much his audience appreciate having their victim complex justified. Time to stop pretending that things like this do anything but strengthen their resolve.

Theres no such thing as truly de-platforming anyone. 

I’d love for you to be right but recent history says you're not, whether it’s Tucker or someone filling his shoes. 

Would that recent history include the last ten years, where the likes of Glenn Beck, Bill O'Reilly, Megyn Kelly & others have lost audience interest after parting ways with Fox? 

Because that recent history says I'm correct. 

did any have the level of draw and pull he seems to have had?

HughFreakingDillon

DewieCox said:

I think you’re wildly underestimating how much his audience appreciate having their victim complex justified. Time to stop pretending that things like this do anything but strengthen their resolve.

Theres no such thing as truly de-platforming anyone. 

I’d love for you to be right but recent history says you're not, whether it’s Tucker or someone filling his shoes. 

he'll be able to reach the younger folks who are into tech and like to watch podcasts. 

he's already brainwashed the older segment of the population that watch him daily, but won't seek him out in alternative avenues. 

that leaves the folks my age (nearly 50) that won't be recruited to his cult, not having watched him on tv yet, nor willing to spend time on finding where he is/downloading this app/etc. 

Merkin Baller

mickeyrat said:

Merkin Baller said:

DewieCox said:

I think you’re wildly underestimating how much his audience appreciate having their victim complex justified. Time to stop pretending that things like this do anything but strengthen their resolve.

Theres no such thing as truly de-platforming anyone. 

I’d love for you to be right but recent history says you're not, whether it’s Tucker or someone filling his shoes. 

Would that recent history include the last ten years, where the likes of Glenn Beck, Bill O'Reilly, Megyn Kelly & others have lost audience interest after parting ways with Fox? 

Because that recent history says I'm correct. 

did any have the level of draw and pull he seems to have had?

That's a good question.

I don't disagree w/ Dewie's point that some people will seek him out where ever he goes, but  I just don't see the majority of Fox's audience going elsewhere for tucker when fox news is already right there in their living room. 

I also agree w/ Dewie's point that he could be replaced by someone equally toxic, but my point still stands: Tucker without the reach of Fox News is good for our country. 

Maybe time will prove me wrong, but the diminished audiences of those other former fox personalities suggests I'll be right. 

HughFreakingDillon

Bill O Reilly is a perfect example someone else mentioned. He was MASSIVE. and now no one even knows/cares where he is. 

The Juggler

HughFreakingDillon said:

Bill O Reilly is a perfect example someone else mentioned. He was MASSIVE. and now no one even knows/cares where he is. 

It's only been a handful of years but things have changed a bit. I could envision a scenario where Tucker starts a podcast that rivals Joe Rogan's reach. Still wouldn't have the same influence as his Fox show though, largely for the reasons you mentioned above. Agreed. 

DewieCox

Merkin Baller said:

DewieCox said:

I think you’re wildly underestimating how much his audience appreciate having their victim complex justified. Time to stop pretending that things like this do anything but strengthen their resolve.

Theres no such thing as truly de-platforming anyone. 

I’d love for you to be right but recent history says you're not, whether it’s Tucker or someone filling his shoes. 

Would that recent history include the last ten years, where the likes of Glenn Beck, Bill O'Reilly, Megyn Kelly & others have lost audience interest after parting ways with Fox? 

Because that recent history says I'm correct. 

That’s kinda my point. He’s still established dick bag that they adore and now someone else will fill that void, whether at Fox or whatever alternative they turn to. 70 year olds now how to work the internet. It’s not 1993 anymore. They type their shit into duckduckgo or click on the same Facebook links and off they go. 

It’s not going to get better just because Tuck’s out of a gig. It might get better in 20 years as some of these rubes age out. 

Merkin Baller

DewieCox said:

Merkin Baller said:

DewieCox said:

I think you’re wildly underestimating how much his audience appreciate having their victim complex justified. Time to stop pretending that things like this do anything but strengthen their resolve.

Theres no such thing as truly de-platforming anyone. 

I’d love for you to be right but recent history says you're not, whether it’s Tucker or someone filling his shoes. 

Would that recent history include the last ten years, where the likes of Glenn Beck, Bill O'Reilly, Megyn Kelly & others have lost audience interest after parting ways with Fox? 

Because that recent history says I'm correct. 

That’s kinda my point. He’s still established dick bag that they adore and now someone else will fill that void, whether at Fox or whatever alternative they turn to. 70 year olds now how to work the internet. It’s not 1993 anymore. They type their shit into duckduckgo or click on the same Facebook links and off they go. 

It’s not going to get better just because Tuck’s out of a gig. It might get better in 20 years as some of these rubes age out. 

All of that is possible, but in the short term, Tucker's pro-Putin agenda doesn't have Fox's reach. That in and of itself is a good thing. 

mrussel1

mickeyrat said:

Merkin Baller said:

DewieCox said:

I think you’re wildly underestimating how much his audience appreciate having their victim complex justified. Time to stop pretending that things like this do anything but strengthen their resolve.

Theres no such thing as truly de-platforming anyone. 

I’d love for you to be right but recent history says you're not, whether it’s Tucker or someone filling his shoes. 

Would that recent history include the last ten years, where the likes of Glenn Beck, Bill O'Reilly, Megyn Kelly & others have lost audience interest after parting ways with Fox? 

Because that recent history says I'm correct. 

did any have the level of draw and pull he seems to have had?

O'Reilly had a larger draw when he went off the air than Tucker.  Drudge pointed out that Tucker was like 2.8 and O'Reilly was like 3.5  

And no one cares what he says anymore.  

The Juggler

mrussel1 said:

mickeyrat said:

Merkin Baller said:

DewieCox said:

I think you’re wildly underestimating how much his audience appreciate having their victim complex justified. Time to stop pretending that things like this do anything but strengthen their resolve.

Theres no such thing as truly de-platforming anyone. 

I’d love for you to be right but recent history says you're not, whether it’s Tucker or someone filling his shoes. 

Would that recent history include the last ten years, where the likes of Glenn Beck, Bill O'Reilly, Megyn Kelly & others have lost audience interest after parting ways with Fox? 

Because that recent history says I'm correct. 

did any have the level of draw and pull he seems to have had?

O'Reilly had a larger draw when he went off the air than Tucker.  Drudge pointed out that Tucker was like 2.8 and O'Reilly was like 3.5  

And no one cares what he says anymore.  

I think that is more a reflection of people's tv habits changing over the last decade though. Every show has smaller ratings than in the past. 

mrussel1

The Juggler said:

mrussel1 said:

mickeyrat said:

Merkin Baller said:

DewieCox said:

I think you’re wildly underestimating how much his audience appreciate having their victim complex justified. Time to stop pretending that things like this do anything but strengthen their resolve.

Theres no such thing as truly de-platforming anyone. 

I’d love for you to be right but recent history says you're not, whether it’s Tucker or someone filling his shoes. 

Would that recent history include the last ten years, where the likes of Glenn Beck, Bill O'Reilly, Megyn Kelly & others have lost audience interest after parting ways with Fox? 

Because that recent history says I'm correct. 

did any have the level of draw and pull he seems to have had?

O'Reilly had a larger draw when he went off the air than Tucker.  Drudge pointed out that Tucker was like 2.8 and O'Reilly was like 3.5  

And no one cares what he says anymore.  

I think that is more a reflection of people's tv habits changing over the last decade though. Every show has smaller ratings than in the past. 

Or in the case of Fox, dying off.  I think that's the more likely scenario.  Average viewer age for Fox News is 68.  I really don't see them flocking to podcasts.  

Now if Tucker is able to reach into Gen X, Millenial and Z more than before, that would be an issue.  But I'm not 100% sure that his schtick works for younger people.  Who knows though.  

The Juggler

mrussel1 said:

The Juggler said:

mrussel1 said:

mickeyrat said:

Merkin Baller said:

DewieCox said:

I think you’re wildly underestimating how much his audience appreciate having their victim complex justified. Time to stop pretending that things like this do anything but strengthen their resolve.

Theres no such thing as truly de-platforming anyone. 

I’d love for you to be right but recent history says you're not, whether it’s Tucker or someone filling his shoes. 

Would that recent history include the last ten years, where the likes of Glenn Beck, Bill O'Reilly, Megyn Kelly & others have lost audience interest after parting ways with Fox? 

Because that recent history says I'm correct. 

did any have the level of draw and pull he seems to have had?

O'Reilly had a larger draw when he went off the air than Tucker.  Drudge pointed out that Tucker was like 2.8 and O'Reilly was like 3.5  

And no one cares what he says anymore.  

I think that is more a reflection of people's tv habits changing over the last decade though. Every show has smaller ratings than in the past. 

Or in the case of Fox, dying off.  I think that's the more likely scenario.  Average viewer age for Fox News is 68.  I really don't see them flocking to podcasts.  

Now if Tucker is able to reach into Gen X, Millenial and Z more than before, that would be an issue.  But I'm not 100% sure that his schtick works for younger people.  Who knows though.  

If they try that route, Clay Travis would be an option. He is horrendous, so it tracks. lol

OnWis97

mrussel1 said:

Merkin Baller said:

DewieCox said:

I honestly don’t feel like it makes one bit of difference. He still has every bit as much reach as he wants. 

He'll never again have the reach that he had with Fox. 

Fox News is everywhere. You think your average 60-70yo is going to seek out whatever podcast or website he starts up on a regular basis? 

I can't imagine NewsMax or OAN picking him up... no one will want to insure them. 

This is my view.  He may make more money, like Joe Rogan, but he won't have as many old people to radicalize. 

Perhaps true. Unfortunately, whoever takes his (or any) timeslot will be doing the same damn thing. "Here's a story that is going to outrage you" (proceeds to report with fire and venom about the America-destroying restaurant that names a veggie burger after Jimmy Carter). And it's still going to rile 'em up.

I honestly had almost no reaction to Tucker's departure. Either way, he's got money coming out of his ears and the culture war rages.

mickeyrat

https://twitter.com/MollyJongFast/status/1651015749975134209?t=ro9QN-2L9ITf3zKL9PpWIg&s=19

tempo_n_groove

Has anyone thought that because Murdochs kids are taking over the company they are going a different route?  They are supposed to be liberal compared to pops.

mrussel1

OnWis97 said:

mrussel1 said:

Merkin Baller said:

DewieCox said:

I honestly don’t feel like it makes one bit of difference. He still has every bit as much reach as he wants. 

He'll never again have the reach that he had with Fox. 

Fox News is everywhere. You think your average 60-70yo is going to seek out whatever podcast or website he starts up on a regular basis? 

I can't imagine NewsMax or OAN picking him up... no one will want to insure them. 

This is my view.  He may make more money, like Joe Rogan, but he won't have as many old people to radicalize. 

Perhaps true. Unfortunately, whoever takes his (or any) timeslot will be doing the same damn thing. "Here's a story that is going to outrage you" (proceeds to report with fire and venom about the America-destroying restaurant that names a veggie burger after Jimmy Carter). And it's still going to rile 'em up.

I honestly had almost no reaction to Tucker's departure. Either way, he's got money coming out of his ears and the culture war rages.

You're right, but as an example, Hannity is not nearly as dangerous as Tucker.  Hannity is an establishment guy, but Tucker just wanted to burn things down for his own benefit.  Ukraine is a perfect example.  The pro Putin talk is Tucker, not Hannity.  

Merkin Baller

tempo_n_groove said:

Has anyone thought that because Murdochs kids are taking over the company they are going a different route?  They are supposed to be liberal compared to pops.

I don't know much about the kids, but any direction they're currently headed and / or these big moves they're making can't not be a result of the Dominion settlement and other pending lawsuits IMO. 

They might say it's all unrelated, but they also lie on the reg. 

& going a liberal route would absolutely be the death knell for that network. 

mrussel1

Merkin Baller said:

tempo_n_groove said:

Has anyone thought that because Murdochs kids are taking over the company they are going a different route?  They are supposed to be liberal compared to pops.

I don't know much about the kids, but any direction they're currently headed and / or these big moves they're making can't not be a result of the Dominion settlement and other pending lawsuits IMO. 

They might say it's all unrelated, but they also lie on the reg. 

& going a liberal route would absolutely be the death knell for that network. 

I think Shiv is pretty liberal, but she seems to get overrun by Roman all the time.  He just is meaner.  And Kendall is a total wildcard, all the blow is melting his mind.  I guess we'll see.  Either way, none can be as ruthless as Logan.  

mace1229

mickeyrat said:

Merkin Baller said:

DewieCox said:

I think you’re wildly underestimating how much his audience appreciate having their victim complex justified. Time to stop pretending that things like this do anything but strengthen their resolve.

Theres no such thing as truly de-platforming anyone. 

I’d love for you to be right but recent history says you're not, whether it’s Tucker or someone filling his shoes. 

Would that recent history include the last ten years, where the likes of Glenn Beck, Bill O'Reilly, Megyn Kelly & others have lost audience interest after parting ways with Fox? 

Because that recent history says I'm correct. 

did any have the level of draw and pull he seems to have had?

I'm pretty sure Bill O'riley did. 

HughFreakingDillon

mrussel1 said:

Merkin Baller said:

tempo_n_groove said:

Has anyone thought that because Murdochs kids are taking over the company they are going a different route?  They are supposed to be liberal compared to pops.

I don't know much about the kids, but any direction they're currently headed and / or these big moves they're making can't not be a result of the Dominion settlement and other pending lawsuits IMO. 

They might say it's all unrelated, but they also lie on the reg. 

& going a liberal route would absolutely be the death knell for that network. 

I think Shiv is pretty liberal, but she seems to get overrun by Roman all the time.  He just is meaner.  And Kendall is a total wildcard, all the blow is melting his mind.  I guess we'll see.  Either way, none can be as ruthless as Logan.  

LMAO