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  • mace1229
    mace1229 Posts: 9,824
    edited March 2023
    mickeyrat said:
    mace1229 said:
    After hearing about Tucker's show on 1/6, I watched some of it last night.
    I'm not going to say they were all peaceful or just tourists.
    But can we agree that it was completely weird how the police were leading the shaman guy around and opening doors for him? Even if they had to search through 40,000 hours of footage to find 5 minutes of that, that was really strange.

    google interviews with capitol police officers.
    I saw some where they said they had a hands-off approach, knew they were outnumbered so they knew they couldn't get physical with the crowd. That makes sense. Doesn't mean you need to be an escort and open the doors to the senate floor for him though, thats what I don't get. Being hands off I get, probably the right move. But why show him the way and open the door for him?
  • The Juggler
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    mace1229 said:
    mickeyrat said:
    mace1229 said:
    After hearing about Tucker's show on 1/6, I watched some of it last night.
    I'm not going to say they were all peaceful or just tourists.
    But can we agree that it was completely weird how the police were leading the shaman guy around and opening doors for him? Even if they had to search through 40,000 hours of footage to find 5 minutes of that, that was really strange.

    google interviews with capitol police officers.
    I saw some where they said they had a hands-off approach, knew they were outnumbered so they knew they couldn't get physical with the crowd. That makes sense. Doesn't mean you need to be an escort and open the doors to the senate floor for him though, thats what I don't get. Being hands off I get, probably the right move. But why show him the way and open the door for him?
    Maybe some of them were traitors too?

    Either way, this shaman guy did have access to that footage despite what Tucker said and he plead guilty anyway. 
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  • mickeyrat
    mickeyrat Posts: 44,308
    edited March 2023
    mace1229 said:
    mickeyrat said:
    mace1229 said:
    After hearing about Tucker's show on 1/6, I watched some of it last night.
    I'm not going to say they were all peaceful or just tourists.
    But can we agree that it was completely weird how the police were leading the shaman guy around and opening doors for him? Even if they had to search through 40,000 hours of footage to find 5 minutes of that, that was really strange.

    google interviews with capitol police officers.
    I saw some where they said they had a hands-off approach, knew they were outnumbered so they knew they couldn't get physical with the crowd. That makes sense. Doesn't mean you need to be an escort and open the doors to the senate floor for him though, thats what I don't get. Being hands off I get, probably the right move. But why show him the way and open the door for him?

    well it also keeps rioters from inadvertently discovering eascape routes and the like.
    were there timestamps on the snippets shown by that fucking scumbag? thats inportant to note too

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  • josevolution
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    mace1229 said:
    mickeyrat said:
    mace1229 said:
    After hearing about Tucker's show on 1/6, I watched some of it last night.
    I'm not going to say they were all peaceful or just tourists.
    But can we agree that it was completely weird how the police were leading the shaman guy around and opening doors for him? Even if they had to search through 40,000 hours of footage to find 5 minutes of that, that was really strange.

    google interviews with capitol police officers.
    I saw some where they said they had a hands-off approach, knew they were outnumbered so they knew they couldn't get physical with the crowd. That makes sense. Doesn't mean you need to be an escort and open the doors to the senate floor for him though, thats what I don't get. Being hands off I get, probably the right move. But why show him the way and open the door for him?
    How weird indeed! Specially since throughout the BLM protest cops were kicking ass in every city Uhmm 
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  • mace1229
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    I don't think they were traitors too. The video doesn't make him innocent.  And I'd like to think the escape routes would be a little more hidden, or aty least behind a locked door that 1 random guy wouldn't be able to break down.
    I just think it was an odd tactic. I see it and think it is a very strange way to handle it, you don't need to go th extra mile for the customer service in a riot.  I don't think there's anything to it other than they took the "don't rile them up" approach to an extreme by showing him the way to exactly where he wanted to go and escorting him there.
  • Halifax2TheMax
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    You know what I think is a strange tactic? Inciting a mob to riot to stop the electoral vote count, assault police officers and trash the capitol building because you lost an election. Weird, I know.
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  • mace1229
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    Halifax2TheMax said:
    You know what I think is a strange tactic? Inciting a mob to riot to stop the electoral vote count, assault police officers and trash the capitol building because you lost an election. Weird, I know.
    I agree. Both things can appear strange to someone. 
  • Gern Blansten
    Gern Blansten Mar-A-Lago Posts: 22,144
    mace1229 said:
    I don't think they were traitors too. The video doesn't make him innocent.  And I'd like to think the escape routes would be a little more hidden, or aty least behind a locked door that 1 random guy wouldn't be able to break down.
    I just think it was an odd tactic. I see it and think it is a very strange way to handle it, you don't need to go th extra mile for the customer service in a riot.  I don't think there's anything to it other than they took the "don't rile them up" approach to an extreme by showing him the way to exactly where he wanted to go and escorting him there.
    I remember one of the employees repeatedly asking the rioters to not damage anything. That might have been part of it too. They figured if they let them in and supervise they might be less likely to damage the place.
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  • Halifax2TheMax
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    mace1229 said:
    Halifax2TheMax said:
    You know what I think is a strange tactic? Inciting a mob to riot to stop the electoral vote count, assault police officers and trash the capitol building because you lost an election. Weird, I know.
    I agree. Both things can appear strange to someone. 
    Who were not traitors? Are you saying there were no traitors within Capitol law enforcement ranks or, in general, the rioters weren’t traitors?

    And maybe he lead them to the senate chamber because he knew it was empty and it would occupy that mob, thus buying time? That doesn’t seem strange to me at all.
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  • mace1229
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    Halifax2TheMax said:
    mace1229 said:
    Halifax2TheMax said:
    You know what I think is a strange tactic? Inciting a mob to riot to stop the electoral vote count, assault police officers and trash the capitol building because you lost an election. Weird, I know.
    I agree. Both things can appear strange to someone. 
    Who were not traitors? Are you saying there were no traitors within Capitol law enforcement ranks or, in general, the rioters weren’t traitors?

    And maybe he lead them to the senate chamber because he knew it was empty and it would occupy that mob, thus buying time? That doesn’t seem strange to me at all.
    The police for escorting shaman man around. I don't think they were doing it because they were traitors. 

    I didn't think the chambers were empty? I thought he asked to go there because thats where many of the other people were.
  • The Juggler
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    mace1229 said:
    I don't think they were traitors too. The video doesn't make him innocent. 
    I believe Carlson was trying to make the argument that it did...which is, obviously, absurd.
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  • Halifax2TheMax
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    mace1229 said:
    Halifax2TheMax said:
    mace1229 said:
    Halifax2TheMax said:
    You know what I think is a strange tactic? Inciting a mob to riot to stop the electoral vote count, assault police officers and trash the capitol building because you lost an election. Weird, I know.
    I agree. Both things can appear strange to someone. 
    Who were not traitors? Are you saying there were no traitors within Capitol law enforcement ranks or, in general, the rioters weren’t traitors?

    And maybe he lead them to the senate chamber because he knew it was empty and it would occupy that mob, thus buying time? That doesn’t seem strange to me at all.
    The police for escorting shaman man around. I don't think they were doing it because they were traitors. 

    I didn't think the chambers were empty? I thought he asked to go there because thats where many of the other people were.
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  • OnWis97
    OnWis97 St. Paul, MN Posts: 5,610
    edited March 2023
    I'm blatantly stealing from last night's Daily Show, but some of this is like showing footage of the planes on 9/11 taking off. "See, that's perfectly fine."

    The existence of legal activities does not preclude the existence of illegal activities.
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  • gimmesometruth27
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    OnWis97 said:
    I'm blatantly stealing from last night's Daily Show, but some of this is like showing footage of the planes on 9/11 taking off. "See, that's perfectly fine."

    The existence of legal activities does not preclude the existence of illegal activities.
    to modern day maga republicans it excuses the illegal activities.

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  • static111
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    OnWis97 said:
    I'm blatantly stealing from last night's Daily Show, but some of this is like showing footage of the planes on 9/11 taking off. "See, that's perfectly fine."

    The existence of legal activities does not preclude the existence of illegal activities.
    Isn't breaking into the capitol and gaining unauthorized access in and of itself illegal?  I'm wondering what legal activities took place in the capitol that day.  If there are some people getting severe sentences for just crossing some red line on the capitol grounds, sure that is egregious, but I have seen no evidence of that yet. 

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  • static111
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    gimmesometruth27 said:
    OnWis97 said:
    I'm blatantly stealing from last night's Daily Show, but some of this is like showing footage of the planes on 9/11 taking off. "See, that's perfectly fine."

    The existence of legal activities does not preclude the existence of illegal activities.
    to modern day maga republicans it excuses the illegal activities.

    except for the day hunter biden bought his laptop and the day obama wore the tan suit.
    What legal activities took place within the capitol that day though, from a protestor pov?  none that I am aware of?  Once you start assaulting officers and breaking into the building it is anything but a normal totally legal sightseeing trip.  I do have some sympathy for those that crossed some red line on the grounds, but that never assaulted anyone or tried to gain unauthorized entry.

    The thought that Fox is successful in having us talk about the idea that people were walking around in there with cops and security is perfectly legal shows how good they are at propaganda.  Nothing legal happened once the capitol was broken into.
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  • gimmesometruth27
    gimmesometruth27 St. Fuckin Louis Posts: 24,010
    static111 said:
    gimmesometruth27 said:
    OnWis97 said:
    I'm blatantly stealing from last night's Daily Show, but some of this is like showing footage of the planes on 9/11 taking off. "See, that's perfectly fine."

    The existence of legal activities does not preclude the existence of illegal activities.
    to modern day maga republicans it excuses the illegal activities.

    except for the day hunter biden bought his laptop and the day obama wore the tan suit.
    What legal activities took place within the capitol that day though, from a protestor pov?  none that I am aware of?  Once you start assaulting officers and breaking into the building it is anything but a normal totally legal sightseeing trip.  I do have some sympathy for those that crossed some red line on the grounds, but that never assaulted anyone or tried to gain unauthorized entry.

    The thought that Fox is successful in having us talk about the idea that people were walking around in there with cops and security is perfectly legal shows how good they are at propaganda.  Nothing legal happened once the capitol was broken into.
    what fox is doing is textbook gaslighting.

    and i agree, once those people entered the building they were not supposed to be there. simply being in the building was trespassing and then crimes went up the scale from there.

    don't forget many of them assaulted officers before they even got into the building, and broke windows, doors, and destroyed property to get inside.
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  • Merkin Baller
    Merkin Baller Posts: 12,753
    edited March 2023
    It's funny because Fox knows what they're feeding to people is bullshit, 

    Tucker's a millionaire being paid by billionaires to spoon feed lies to an audience he hates and people take it seriously.  
  • The Juggler
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    Merkin Baller said:
    It's funny because Fox knows what they're feeding to people is bullshit, 

    Tucker's a millionaire being paid by billionaires to spoon feed lies to an audience he hates and people take it seriously.  
    What's even funnier if the majority of the country realizes this. The one's who are not aware only get what they think is news from Fox. 
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  • gimmesometruth27
    gimmesometruth27 St. Fuckin Louis Posts: 24,010
    it is time to boycott what few sponsors tucker and fox news has left. if they want to outright lie every night, hit them in their wallet, and hit their sponsors with that social media hate.
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