I fucking LOVED Succession. The correlation to Fox, at least to me, was evident very early on.
And it was one of my favourite shows of all time. My wife thought it dragged a bit though.
I appreciate sophisticated writing and this passed that test. Yes, business doesn't move quite at the speed as the show, but it wasn't ridiculous like "Suits". I know a lot of people like that show, but to me it's borderline silly how cases pop, go to court and get settled on the show in like, two days. Succession was smart writing and at the end of the day, it's a tragedy. And it's a good tragedy at that. Think about how it all ended.
I don't know what Fox has to do with Succession, but we've been watching that show lately. Just finished season 2 and I'm starting to get tired of it. Is it worth watching the rest? Seems to be getting stale right now.
So even into season 2 you see no correlation between ATN and Fox? It should be apparent already.
Actually, I thought about that a lot when we watch. I think of it as if Disney were to buy out Fox (not that they ever would). I just meant I don't know what anything new or current with Fox prompted the picture, seemed a bit random. I thought there may have been some new story I was unfamiliar with he was referring to. But yes, there is a definite likeness.
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I don't know what Fox has to do with Succession, but we've been watching that show lately. Just finished season 2 and I'm starting to get tired of it. Is it worth watching the rest? Seems to be getting stale right now.
So even into season 2 you see no correlation between ATN and Fox? It should be apparent already.
Actually, I thought about that a lot when we watch. I think of it as if Disney were to buy out Fox (not that they ever would). I just meant I don't know what anything new or current with Fox prompted the picture, seemed a bit random. I thought there may have been some new story I was unfamiliar with he was referring to. But yes, there is a definite likeness.
It's the patriarch of an enormous media conglomerate wanting to hold onto his empire for as long as is humanly possible, preventing his offspring from taking over. It's eerily similar to Fox, to be quite honest...especially the further along you go.
I think it's one of the better shows that's been made. I always tell people that once you get past the fact that literally every character is a horrible human being and that the storylines require a lot of your attention, you'll really appreciate it.
HAVING SAID THAT---if you still don't like it even after how season 2 ends, maybe it's not for you. I fucking loved that ending and couldn't wait to see how 3 played out. lol
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I thought Tarted was bad enough, but this? This is a whole nother level...
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I wouldn't trust a word that comes out of Fucker's mouth. Move and broadcast from Moscow, you puke.
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Carlson, like the populist right, dislikes what makes America great
Tucker Carlson’s interview with Russian President Vladimir Putin got a lot of attention. But I was more struck by Carlson’s reaction to his visit to Moscow — his first ever. He was not just impressed; it left him radicalized and enraged at his own government.
Where to begin? Perhaps with the obvious reminder that living in Moscow if you criticize the government can mean prison or death, sometimes both.
In Dubai, a few days after the interview, Carlson put forth a bizarre hodgepodge of assertions. He thought the architecture, food and service in Moscow was better than in any American city. Really? Moscow, outside of a small historic center, is filled with drab Soviet-era concrete buildings. And while food in Moscow can be quite good, is it better than in New York or San Francisco? You need to get out more, Tucker!
Many of his jibes were simply untrue. He praised Moscow, saying it is one of several “wonderful places to live” because, unlike the United States, Russia apparently doesn’t suffer from “rampant inflation.” But using the Russian government’s own data from last month, the country’s inflation rate was 7.4 percent, almost 2½ times that of the United States. That’s why interest rates in Russia are 16 percent, about three times higher than U.S. rates.
In a short video segment recorded in Moscow, Carlson shops at a local grocery store and marvels that groceries to feed a Russian family for a week cost perhaps a quarter as much as similar groceries would cost in the United States. This enraged him. But Russia’s per capita GDP is about $15,000, compared with America’s, which is about $76,000. Stuff costs more in rich countries than in poorer ones. Carlson should go shopping in Mexico, where his groceries would also be much cheaper. Perhaps he will gain newfound respect for the Mexican government.
Carlson also marvels at the grandeur of a subway station, contrasting Moscow’s subway favorably with New York’s. While it’s true that the Russian capital’s subways are excellent, the stations are so grand there because they were built by Joseph Stalin at huge public expense to showcase the superiority of Soviet Communism. In contrast, New York’s subways are a product of capitalism, having been built and operated through public-private partnerships of various kinds, which are more budget-conscious. It has always been true that centralized autocracies can marshal the entire resources of society to build great vanity projects. Tucker should go next to see the pyramids of Egypt and the Taj Mahal. They’re amazing.
Carlson’s entire riff about Russia is really about the United States. He said he “grew up in a country that had cities like Moscow and Abu Dhabi and Dubai and Singapore and Tokyo.” New York is one of his favorite cities, he says, but as he sees it, U.S. cities are now broken. Carlson was born in 1969, so the New York of the 1970s he so fondly remembers was in fact a city of rampant crime, riots and graffiti — a city so badly mismanaged that it nearly declared bankruptcy in 1975. A 1977 blackout became legendary for the massive looting and crime it triggered. More than 800,000 people fled the city during that decade and real estate values plummeted.
It wasn’t just New York. San Francisco during that era was seen as a hotbed of hippies, drugs, pornography and radical experimentation. The movie “Dirty Harry,” portraying out-of-control urban crime, was set in San Francisco in the 1970s. Crime rates in New York today, like across many major U.S. cities, are way down from their levels in the 1980s and 1990s.
Carlson speaks enviously of cities such as Tokyo, Singapore, Abu Dhabi and Dubai. I’ve been to all these cities many times — some of them in the past few months — and they are indeed wonderful in their own distinctive ways. But what’s striking about all of them is that they are somewhat tame and subdued, the product of authoritarian governments or conformist culture — or both.
American cities are different. They are the product of decentralization and diversity and democracy. Jane Jacobs, a great writer on urban life, always described the best cities as bottom-up systems, seemingly anarchic but organic and in the long run far superior to the abstract drawings of central planners. American cities are expressions of democracy, places where people have to negotiate differences and find ways to live together. That makes them messier and dirtier and sometimes chaotic. But perhaps that is what has made these cities so vibrant and innovative, and why they have been at the forefront in making the United States the country that leads the world in economics, technology, culture and power.
Once upon a time, American conservatives praised the United States' organic communities, rooted in freedom and choice, built bottom-up not top-down. But the new populist right despises these cities, and that disgust is in part a rejection of modern, pluralistic democracy itself. Increasingly, they are dazzled by the clean and orderly ways of dictatorships, populist authoritarians and absolute monarchies.
After all, say what you will about Putin, he makes the subways run on time.
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I think the chance that Trump raps at one of his rallies just got a bump. I hope it happens.
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you have to wonder if black Fox employees were standing around listening to that and looking at each other like WTF?
no, but if he had also mentioned bbq maybe they would have.
meaning that if you are a minority working at fox news you have to be able to let one stereotype slide. but if a second ridiculous stereotype is said, THEN you can be like wtf?
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Surprised he didn't add that Trump likes fried chicken.
Whoa whoa whoa! Why did you bring up chicken? LMFAO. Trying to project racism then makes you the racist. LOL!
Settle down Fuzzy Z!
Nice projection. I’m guessing, just a guess, a wild speculation on my part, that this didn’t play well?
Donald Trump’s con-man hustle for the African American vote is cringeworthy, cynical, infuriating, insulting, racist, super-racist — take your pick. Just don’t call it sincere. And don’t expect it to work.
On Friday night, speaking to an audience mostly of Black conservatives in Columbia, S.C., Trump likened his indictment on 91 felony charges to historic discrimination against African Americans. “A lot of people said that’s why the Black people liked me, because they had been hurt so badly and discriminated against. And they actually viewed me as I’m being discriminated against,” Trump said.
He added that “the Black people” are “on my side now because they see what’s happening to me happens to them.” Presenting himself as some sort of martyr for civil rights, he claimed that “I am being indicted for you, the Black population.”
And there’s more: Trump claimed that African Americans are especially drawn to him by the mug shot that was taken when he surrendered to custody on felony charges in Fulton County, Ga. “The mug shot, we’ve all seen the mug shot, and you know who embraced it more than anybody else? The Black population. It’s incredible. You see Black people walking around with my mug shot, you know, they do shirts,” Trump said.
For the record, none of the Black right-wing luminaries who joined Trump at the campaign event — a group that included Sen. Tim Scott (R-S.C.), Rep. Byron Donalds (R-Fla.) and former housing secretary Ben Carson — stormed off the stage. Donalds later went so far as to defend Trump’s remarks. I guess hearing African Americans stereotyped as ignorant, gullible and criminally inclined doesn’t bother some folks.
Trump launched his career in politics by making himself the most prominent advocate of the racist “birther” conspiracy theory falsely alleging that Barack Obama was not born in the United States. During Trump’s first year in the White House — after a rally by white supremacists and neo-Nazis in Charlottesville led to the death of a counterprotester — Trump said there were “some very fine people on both sides.” In 2018, referring to immigration figures, Trump referred to Central American, Caribbean and African countries as “shitholes” that “send us the people they don’t want.” And that’s in addition to Trump’s opposition to views held by majorities of African Americans on issues such as affirmative action and voting rights.
Trump won 12 percent of the Black vote in 2020. That was more than GOP presidential candidates usually get — but still, just 12 percent. Republicans have been salivating over recent polls showing more African American support for Trump this time around, along with relatively tepid approval of President Biden.
In election after election, the African American vote has been fool’s gold for the Republican Party. The problem is not that there are no Black conservatives; in fact, there are many. It is that the GOP, broadly, has faced African Americans with cluelessness or outright hostility. When Republican officials such as Florida Gov. Ron DeSantis try to censor African American history so that no one feels uncomfortable, or when GOP candidate Nikki Haley insists that “America has never been a racist country,” the party’s credibility among Black voters tends to evaporate.
Trump’s crude rhetorical pandering is certainly a different approach. But not in a good way.
In his speech Friday, Trump boasted of getting a better deal on the cost of a new Air Force One than the Obama administration had negotiated — a claim that turns out to be utterly false. He asked,“Would you rather have the Black president or the White president who got $1.7 billion off the price?” The crowd of African American conservatives applauded, and Trump boasted, “I think they want the White guy.”
And the nut, or should I say, the poisonous fruit, doesn’t fall far from the tree.
In 1927, Donald Trump’s father was arrested after a Klan riot in Queens
When he was asked on CNN's "State of the Union" on Sunday whether he would condemn the praise of former Ku Klux Klan grand wizard David Duke, Donald Trump declined to disavow Duke's comments.
"I don’t know anything about David Duke, okay," Trump said. "I don’t know anything about what you’re even talking about with white supremacy or white supremacists. I don't know, did he endorse me? Or what's going on. Because I know nothing about David Duke. I know nothing about white supremacists."
In 2000, Trump declined to run for president as a member of the Reform Party because the "Reform Party now includes a Klansman, Mr. Duke, a neo-Nazi, Mr. Buchanan, and a communist, Ms. Fulani. This is not company I wish to keep." As Trump himself noted on Twitter, he also disavowed Duke in a news conference earlier this week.
On Memorial Day 1927, brawls erupted in New York led by sympathizers of the Italian fascist movement and the Ku Klux Klan. In the fascist brawl, which took place in the Bronx, two Italian men were killed by anti-fascists. In Queens, 1,000 white-robed Klansmen marched through the Jamaica neighborhood, eventually spurring an all-out brawl in which seven men were arrested.
One of those arrested was Fred Trump of 175-24 Devonshire Rd. in Jamaica.
This is Donald Trump's father. Trump had a brother named Fred, but he wasn't born until more than a decade later. The Fred Trump at Devonshire Road was the Fred C. Trump who lived there with his mother, according to the 1930 Census.
The predication for the Klan to march, according to a flier passed around Jamaica beforehand, was that "Native-born Protestant Americans" were being "assaulted by Roman Catholic police of New York City." "Liberty and Democracy have been trampled upon," it continued, "when native-born Protestant Americans dare to organize to protect one flag, the American flag; one school, the public school; and one language, the English language."
It's not clear from the context what role Fred Trump played in the brawl. The news article simply notes that seven men were arrested in the "near-riot of the parade," all of whom were represented by the same lawyers. Update: A contemporaneous article from the Daily Star notes that Trump was detained "on a charge of refusing to disperse from a parade when ordered to do so."
When news of the old report surfaced last year, Donald Trump vehemently denied his father's arrest. "He was never arrested. He has nothing to do with this. This never happened. This is nonsense and it never happened," he said to the Daily Mail. "This never happened. Never took place. He was never arrested, never convicted, never even charged. It's a completely false, ridiculous story. He was never there! It never happened. Never took place."
Given the politics and cultural constraints of 1927, the Klan wasn't the sort of thing that a politician would necessarily be asked to condemn. An article in the Brooklyn Daily Eagle from that December notes that the Klan would probably weigh in heavily against the potential presidential nomination of then-New York Gov. Al Smith, given that he was a Catholic and a "champion of 'alienism.'"
It's worth noting that Trump's comments came one day after another Klan brawl, this time in Anaheim, Calif. Thirteen people were arrested and three were stabbed after a Klan rally turned violent. And it's worth noting, too, as did Jonathan Chait at New York magazine, that Trump's claim to "know nothing" about white supremacists echoes the language of the 19th-century "Know Nothing" party — a nativist group that supported only Protestants for public office.
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And it was one of my favourite shows of all time. My wife thought it dragged a bit though.
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Succession was smart writing and at the end of the day, it's a tragedy. And it's a good tragedy at that. Think about how it all ended.
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I just meant I don't know what anything new or current with Fox prompted the picture, seemed a bit random. I thought there may have been some new story I was unfamiliar with he was referring to.
But yes, there is a definite likeness.
I think it's one of the better shows that's been made. I always tell people that once you get past the fact that literally every character is a horrible human being and that the storylines require a lot of your attention, you'll really appreciate it.
HAVING SAID THAT---if you still don't like it even after how season 2 ends, maybe it's not for you. I fucking loved that ending and couldn't wait to see how 3 played out. lol
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Now if Gavin Harrison were on fox, I'd watch.
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Tucker Carlson’s interview with Russian President Vladimir Putin got a lot of attention. But I was more struck by Carlson’s reaction to his visit to Moscow — his first ever. He was not just impressed; it left him radicalized and enraged at his own government.
Where to begin? Perhaps with the obvious reminder that living in Moscow if you criticize the government can mean prison or death, sometimes both.
In Dubai, a few days after the interview, Carlson put forth a bizarre hodgepodge of assertions. He thought the architecture, food and service in Moscow was better than in any American city. Really? Moscow, outside of a small historic center, is filled with drab Soviet-era concrete buildings. And while food in Moscow can be quite good, is it better than in New York or San Francisco? You need to get out more, Tucker!
Many of his jibes were simply untrue. He praised Moscow, saying it is one of several “wonderful places to live” because, unlike the United States, Russia apparently doesn’t suffer from “rampant inflation.” But using the Russian government’s own data from last month, the country’s inflation rate was 7.4 percent, almost 2½ times that of the United States. That’s why interest rates in Russia are 16 percent, about three times higher than U.S. rates.
In a short video segment recorded in Moscow, Carlson shops at a local grocery store and marvels that groceries to feed a Russian family for a week cost perhaps a quarter as much as similar groceries would cost in the United States. This enraged him. But Russia’s per capita GDP is about $15,000, compared with America’s, which is about $76,000. Stuff costs more in rich countries than in poorer ones. Carlson should go shopping in Mexico, where his groceries would also be much cheaper. Perhaps he will gain newfound respect for the Mexican government.
Carlson also marvels at the grandeur of a subway station, contrasting Moscow’s subway favorably with New York’s. While it’s true that the Russian capital’s subways are excellent, the stations are so grand there because they were built by Joseph Stalin at huge public expense to showcase the superiority of Soviet Communism. In contrast, New York’s subways are a product of capitalism, having been built and operated through public-private partnerships of various kinds, which are more budget-conscious. It has always been true that centralized autocracies can marshal the entire resources of society to build great vanity projects. Tucker should go next to see the pyramids of Egypt and the Taj Mahal. They’re amazing.
Carlson’s entire riff about Russia is really about the United States. He said he “grew up in a country that had cities like Moscow and Abu Dhabi and Dubai and Singapore and Tokyo.” New York is one of his favorite cities, he says, but as he sees it, U.S. cities are now broken. Carlson was born in 1969, so the New York of the 1970s he so fondly remembers was in fact a city of rampant crime, riots and graffiti — a city so badly mismanaged that it nearly declared bankruptcy in 1975. A 1977 blackout became legendary for the massive looting and crime it triggered. More than 800,000 people fled the city during that decade and real estate values plummeted.
It wasn’t just New York. San Francisco during that era was seen as a hotbed of hippies, drugs, pornography and radical experimentation. The movie “Dirty Harry,” portraying out-of-control urban crime, was set in San Francisco in the 1970s. Crime rates in New York today, like across many major U.S. cities, are way down from their levels in the 1980s and 1990s.
Carlson speaks enviously of cities such as Tokyo, Singapore, Abu Dhabi and Dubai. I’ve been to all these cities many times — some of them in the past few months — and they are indeed wonderful in their own distinctive ways. But what’s striking about all of them is that they are somewhat tame and subdued, the product of authoritarian governments or conformist culture — or both.
American cities are different. They are the product of decentralization and diversity and democracy. Jane Jacobs, a great writer on urban life, always described the best cities as bottom-up systems, seemingly anarchic but organic and in the long run far superior to the abstract drawings of central planners. American cities are expressions of democracy, places where people have to negotiate differences and find ways to live together. That makes them messier and dirtier and sometimes chaotic. But perhaps that is what has made these cities so vibrant and innovative, and why they have been at the forefront in making the United States the country that leads the world in economics, technology, culture and power.
Once upon a time, American conservatives praised the United States' organic communities, rooted in freedom and choice, built bottom-up not top-down. But the new populist right despises these cities, and that disgust is in part a rejection of modern, pluralistic democracy itself. Increasingly, they are dazzled by the clean and orderly ways of dictatorships, populist authoritarians and absolute monarchies.
After all, say what you will about Putin, he makes the subways run on time.
Opinion | Why does Tucker Carlson like Moscow so much? - The Washington Post
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"Well, you tell him that I don't talk to suckas."
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meaning that if you are a minority working at fox news you have to be able to let one stereotype slide. but if a second ridiculous stereotype is said, THEN you can be like wtf?
"Well, you tell him that I don't talk to suckas."
"Well, you tell him that I don't talk to suckas."
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Settle down Fuzzy Z!
Donald Trump’s con-man hustle for the African American vote is cringeworthy, cynical, infuriating, insulting, racist, super-racist — take your pick. Just don’t call it sincere. And don’t expect it to work.
On Friday night, speaking to an audience mostly of Black conservatives in Columbia, S.C., Trump likened his indictment on 91 felony charges to historic discrimination against African Americans. “A lot of people said that’s why the Black people liked me, because they had been hurt so badly and discriminated against. And they actually viewed me as I’m being discriminated against,” Trump said.
He added that “the Black people” are “on my side now because they see what’s happening to me happens to them.” Presenting himself as some sort of martyr for civil rights, he claimed that “I am being indicted for you, the Black population.”
And there’s more: Trump claimed that African Americans are especially drawn to him by the mug shot that was taken when he surrendered to custody on felony charges in Fulton County, Ga. “The mug shot, we’ve all seen the mug shot, and you know who embraced it more than anybody else? The Black population. It’s incredible. You see Black people walking around with my mug shot, you know, they do shirts,” Trump said.
For the record, none of the Black right-wing luminaries who joined Trump at the campaign event — a group that included Sen. Tim Scott (R-S.C.), Rep. Byron Donalds (R-Fla.) and former housing secretary Ben Carson — stormed off the stage. Donalds later went so far as to defend Trump’s remarks. I guess hearing African Americans stereotyped as ignorant, gullible and criminally inclined doesn’t bother some folks.
In honor of Black History Month, let’s review a bit of Trump’s historywith Black people. In 1973, his real estate company was sued by the Justice Department for discrimination against African American renters; the company entered a consent decree promising to end the practice. In 1989, Trump took out full-page ads in four New York newspapers urging the state to “bring back the death penalty” in reference to the Central Park Five, a group of Black and Latino menwrongly convicted of a brutal rape; even after the men were exonerated, Trump refused to apologize.
Trump launched his career in politics by making himself the most prominent advocate of the racist “birther” conspiracy theory falsely alleging that Barack Obama was not born in the United States. During Trump’s first year in the White House — after a rally by white supremacists and neo-Nazis in Charlottesville led to the death of a counterprotester — Trump said there were “some very fine people on both sides.” In 2018, referring to immigration figures, Trump referred to Central American, Caribbean and African countries as “shitholes” that “send us the people they don’t want.” And that’s in addition to Trump’s opposition to views held by majorities of African Americans on issues such as affirmative action and voting rights.
Trump won 12 percent of the Black vote in 2020. That was more than GOP presidential candidates usually get — but still, just 12 percent. Republicans have been salivating over recent polls showing more African American support for Trump this time around, along with relatively tepid approval of President Biden.
But on the one occasion so far when substantial numbers of Black votershave had the opportunity to cast ballots — the admittedly not-very-competitive Democratic primary in South Carolina earlier this month — they showed greater enthusiasm for Biden’s reelection than other Democrats did.
In election after election, the African American vote has been fool’s gold for the Republican Party. The problem is not that there are no Black conservatives; in fact, there are many. It is that the GOP, broadly, has faced African Americans with cluelessness or outright hostility. When Republican officials such as Florida Gov. Ron DeSantis try to censor African American history so that no one feels uncomfortable, or when GOP candidate Nikki Haley insists that “America has never been a racist country,” the party’s credibility among Black voters tends to evaporate.
Trump’s crude rhetorical pandering is certainly a different approach. But not in a good way.
In his speech Friday, Trump boasted of getting a better deal on the cost of a new Air Force One than the Obama administration had negotiated — a claim that turns out to be utterly false. He asked,“Would you rather have the Black president or the White president who got $1.7 billion off the price?” The crowd of African American conservatives applauded, and Trump boasted, “I think they want the White guy.”
Obviously, I can’t speak for allAfrican Americans. But my prediction is no, not really. No, we don’t.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2024/02/26/trump-black-voters-pitch-2024/
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In 1927, Donald Trump’s father was arrested after a Klan riot in Queens
"I don’t know anything about David Duke, okay," Trump said. "I don’t know anything about what you’re even talking about with white supremacy or white supremacists. I don't know, did he endorse me? Or what's going on. Because I know nothing about David Duke. I know nothing about white supremacists."
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In 2000, Trump declined to run for president as a member of the Reform Party because the "Reform Party now includes a Klansman, Mr. Duke, a neo-Nazi, Mr. Buchanan, and a communist, Ms. Fulani. This is not company I wish to keep." As Trump himself noted on Twitter, he also disavowed Duke in a news conference earlier this week.
But this incident also brings to mind another report, unearthed in September by the technology blog Boing Boing.
On Memorial Day 1927, brawls erupted in New York led by sympathizers of the Italian fascist movement and the Ku Klux Klan. In the fascist brawl, which took place in the Bronx, two Italian men were killed by anti-fascists. In Queens, 1,000 white-robed Klansmen marched through the Jamaica neighborhood, eventually spurring an all-out brawl in which seven men were arrested.
One of those arrested was Fred Trump of 175-24 Devonshire Rd. in Jamaica.
Given the politics and cultural constraints of 1927, the Klan wasn't the sort of thing that a politician would necessarily be asked to condemn. An article in the Brooklyn Daily Eagle from that December notes that the Klan would probably weigh in heavily against the potential presidential nomination of then-New York Gov. Al Smith, given that he was a Catholic and a "champion of 'alienism.'"
It's worth noting that Trump's comments came one day after another Klan brawl, this time in Anaheim, Calif. Thirteen people were arrested and three were stabbed after a Klan rally turned violent. And it's worth noting, too, as did Jonathan Chait at New York magazine, that Trump's claim to "know nothing" about white supremacists echoes the language of the 19th-century "Know Nothing" party — a nativist group that supported only Protestants for public office.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-fix/wp/2016/02/28/in-1927-donald-trumps-father-was-arrested-after-a-klan-riot-in-queens/
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