I thought if one of your parents were American that would make you American. For example when I was in the Army a few friends had babies with German wifes they were considered American. I do not support Obama but this would have been vetted a long time ago.
I think the way it works is that you're an American so long as you're born on American soil (which is why all the Mexicans cross the border to pop their rugrats out on the American side). Technically, military bases are considered to be American territory (the same with foreign embassies). So someone born on a military base overseas is no different than being born stateside.
"If all those sweet, young things were laid end to end, I wouldn't be the least bit surprised."
—Dorothy Parker
drifting.....is there anything else in being asked for in discovery? in other words, is the person seeking this information asking for more than just his birth certificate? because that might be the hindrance to the obama campaign for releasing said documents
and no links please, just an answer
Good question. Maybe the guy wants circumcision records as well?!
Progress is not made by everyone joining some new fad,
and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
over specific principles, goals, and policies.
Are you really so STUPID that you would cite Chinese state media as your source here??? Corsi WAS NOT ARRESTED. He was asked to leave and DEPORTED from Kenya.
NAIROBI: The American author of a best-selling book highly critical of Senator Barack Obama was detained Tuesday by Kenyan immigration agents as he prepared to give a news conference in Nairobi.
Jerome Corsi, the conservative gadfly who wrote "The Obama Nation," in which he attacks the Democratic presidential candidate, was being held Tuesday because he was trying to work in Kenya without a valid work permit, according to local media reports.
The reports said that Corsi would probably be deported.
Elias Njeru, a spokesman for Kenya's immigration department, said, "His immigration forms were not in order."
When asked if Corsi would be deported, Njeru said that he did not know and that Corsi was still being investigated.
drifting.....is there anything else in being asked for in discovery? in other words, is the person seeking this information asking for more than just his birth certificate? because that might be the hindrance to the obama campaign for releasing said documents
and no links please, just an answer
Honestly i don't know cutback.
If you can't tell by how many times i was attacked on this thread already, i did NOT put a lot of time in to researching this. I heard something on the radio, googled it quickly, and came back here to ask. Since i KNEW all the libs in here would have an answer for me lickity split.
Now, i COULD try to find out for you,
but the site, obamacrimes.com now suddenly seems to be not working.
hmm.
:cool:
My GUESS would be yes.
They are probably looking for a few different documents.
I have NO idea.
But i still wouldn't see why someone with a full campaign staff and millions upon millions of dollars couldn't pull together a straight forward set of indentifying documents within the next few days.
They really need several weeks to pull that off ?
And he's ready to lead the country?
j/k ...
hes just as ready as old bumbling McCain.
If I was to smile and I held out my hand
If I opened it now would you not understand?
So instead of taking that news report at face value, you're going to assume for no apparent reason that this man was arrested for a different reason altogether, being that he was getting too close to tracking down the "truth" about Obama's place of birth?
I heard about this and automatically called BS on it.
Do you HONESTLY think that this far into the presidential election, with 2 debates already in, that the goverment would've just forgotten about checking where he was born?
I heard about this and automatically called BS on it.
Do you HONESTLY think that this far into the presidential election, with 2 debates already in, that the goverment would've just forgotten about checking where he was born?
I HONESTLY don't put ANY faith in this entity, "The Government", that you talk about.
I only know that "the government" is SUPPOSED to be WE THE PEOPLE, but somehow the people have become EXTREMELY alienated from that allegedly representative body, "the government".
I also know that "the government" lies to me all the time, repeatedly.
Why would i weigh ANY decision based on what the government may or may not be doing on MY behalf (like verifying a candidate)?
Whose to say this wasn't all part of some weird scheme, like i was saying, maybe to cause an intentional riot. "What, Obama can't be president? Burn harlem, burn!"
??? i dunno. honestly i didn't mean to stir such a fucking nest with this, i was just asking a fucking question ???
If I was to smile and I held out my hand
If I opened it now would you not understand?
I HONESTLY don't put ANY faith in this entity, "The Government", that you talk about.
I only know that "the government" is SUPPOSED to be WE THE PEOPLE, but somehow the people have become EXTREMELY alienated from that allegedly representative body, "the government".
I also know that "the government" lies to me all the time, repeatedly.
Why would i weigh ANY decision based on what the government may or may not be doing on MY behalf (like verifying a candidate)?
Whose to say this wasn't all part of some weird scheme, like i was saying, maybe to cause an intentional riot. "What, Obama can't be president? Burn harlem, burn!"
??? i dunno. honestly i didn't mean to stir such a fucking nest with this, i was just asking a fucking question ???
Speaking as someone who believes the US government to have, at least, been complicit in 9/11 even I think you are taking this waaaaaay too far.
Speaking as someone who believes the US government to have, at least, been complicit in 9/11 even I think you are taking this waaaaaay too far.
Agreed. It was only a few months ago where I actually believed the government was out to get me and I didn't trust shit. Then I sort of educated myself, sort of. Im not so sure I believe any of these conspiracy theories anymore.
Whose to say this wasn't all part of some weird scheme, like i was saying, maybe to cause an intentional riot. "What, Obama can't be president? Burn harlem, burn!"
Whose to say this wasn't all part of some weird scheme, like i was saying, maybe to cause an intentional riot. "What, Obama can't be president? Burn harlem, burn!"
??? i dunno. honestly i didn't mean to stir such a fucking nest with this, i was just asking a fucking question ???
The link you provided said 'he was detained, because he was trying to work in Kenya without a valid work permit, according to local media reports.'
I understand you may have 'doubts' because Alex said so, but honestly, there are no facts anywhere, or at least i can't find them if there is, to disprove what is being reported.
Show me some solid reputable proof that it's not going down as it's reported and i'll absolutely always look on it with an open mind for a different view.
Unless it was John McCain or any other Republican, then it does.
It wouldn't matter to me.
Back in 2002 when Mitt Romney was running for Governor of Massachusetts, the Democratic Party sought to disqualify him by pointing out that he had hadn't really lived in Massachusetts and spent most of his time in Utah. I don't remember the details but the case was dismissed as Romney, I guess, held a permanent residence in MA for long enough or whatever. But the Democrats, instead of trying to kick him out of the race, should have just said "Hey, how can we expect this guy to govern Massachusetts when he'd rather be in Utah?" That's all they had to say... and it would have been more effective.
Now with McCain and Obama... there have been some questions as to whether or not either one is American-born. But whatever, because no one could doubt that either one has spent sufficient time living in America so that they know and understand the issues we face here.
Back in 2002 when Mitt Romney was running for Governor of Massachusetts, the Democratic Party sought to disqualify him by pointing out that he had hadn't really lived in Massachusetts and spent most of his time in Utah. I don't remember the details but the case was dismissed as Romney, I guess, held a permanent residence in MA for long enough or whatever. But the Democrats, instead of trying to kick him out of the race, should have just said "Hey, how can we expect this guy to govern Massachusetts when he'd rather be in Utah?" That's all they had to say... and it would have been more effective.
You wait until the last minute...disqualify the election with steaming heaps legalese birth right mumbo jumbo...declare the entire election a bust and Bush stays in for another term.
Don't tell me some people alive and in positions of power aren't leaving a wet spot on the mattress when they wake up all hot and bothered over it looking for a cigarette...
Progress is not made by everyone joining some new fad,
and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
over specific principles, goals, and policies.
No matter what if his mother was american he is american
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Man.
I don't really believe ANY thing, except the facts i read in the OP.
1. Some guy is suing Obama's campaign for proof.
2. Obama's campaign is delaying the process of providing that proof.
That is FACT.
No distortion, no omission, just fact.
It's NOT an indictment, an accusation, or a judgement on my part of ANY sort. I said up front i didn't even give a flying fuck. I was just curious. It's news to me (because, honestly i don't follow the election that closely anymore, since i don't give a fuck who wins, unless you tell me McKinney is in the lead) and i wanted to see what some serious libs had to say about it.
Clearly the issue is a "sensitive" one. Why? I dunno. I just asked a question, any theories provided were merely attempts at rationalization of a motive.
If you think i'm crazy for the notion that someone might want to trigger martial law right about now, then you must forget who you are talking to ... and that would be someone who thinks Jonestown was a CIA mind control experiment that ended in a government sponsored massacre involving a 3rd world insurgent army as the hired held & patsy.
Agreed. It was only a few months ago where I actually believed the government was out to get me and I didn't trust shit. Then I sort of educated myself, sort of. Im not so sure I believe any of these conspiracy theories anymore.
There is a difference between "out to get you" and "out to fuck you".
Remember that the government is really just owned by a bunch of rich assholes who having been fighting for control of this country since it was founded (both with eachother, others, and the public at large) ... and pretty much everything that it does (outside of congress, anyhow) is done to maintain that control. In short, government is concerned with it's OWN preservation, not yours. This isn't even about American history, its world history. How many governments have been corrupt and self serving, and how many have truly served the people? And the ones that were "good", how long did they last, anyhow?
Governments fuck people over. Over and over.
Its a historical fact. It doesn't exactly take a "conspiracy theorist" to put that point together. In fact, i'm sure you could probably argue it more cogently than me.
I guess the question here is, "are people who may not give a fuck about America trying to influence its internal policies"?
And for that answer, you could go straight to David Rockefeller's own autobiography:
“For more than a century, ideological extremists at either end of the political spectrum have seized upon well-publicized incidents to attack the Rockefeller family for the inordinate influence they claim we wield over American political and economic institutions. Some even believe we are part of a secret cabal working against the best interests of the United States, characterizing my family and me as “internationalists” and of conspiring with others around the world to build a more integrated global political and economic structure - one world, if you will. If that’s the charge, I stand guilty, and I am proud of it.” –David Rockefeller
So its not really about "truth", it's about idealism.
That IS the truth. They ARE NOT working in the best interest of YOUR COUNTRY. The question is, DO YOU AGREE WITH THEIR BELIEFS?
Because I sure as fuck don't support that ideology.
Period.
And here is one other LOVELY gem, by the utterly unloveable Col. House:
“Very soon, every American will be required to register their biological property in a national system designed to keep track of the people and that will operate under the ancient system of pledging. By such methodology, we can compel people to submit to our agenda, which will effect our security as a chargeback for our fiat paper currency. Every American will be forced to register or suffer being unable to work and earn a living. They will be our chattel, and we will hold the security interest over them forever, by operation of the law merchant under the scheme of secured transactions. Americans, by unknowingly or unwittingly delivering the bills of lading to us will be rendered bankrupt and insolvent, forever to remain economic slaves through taxation, secured by their pledges. They will be stripped of their rights and given a commercial value designed to make us a profit and they will be none the wiser, for not one man in a million could ever figure our plans and, if by accident one or two should figure it out, we have in our arsenal plausible deniability. After all, this is the only logical way to fund government, by floating liens and debt to the registrants in the form of benefits and privileges. This will inevitably reap to us huge profits beyond our wildest expectations and leave every American a contributor to this fraud which we will call “Social Insurance.” Without realizing it, every American will insure us for any loss we may incur and in this manner, every American will unknowingly be our servant, however begrudgingly. The people will become helpless and without any hope for their redemption and, we will employ the high office of the President of our dummy corporation to foment this plot against America.” — Edward Mandell House, Founder of Council on Foreign Relations and promoter of League of Nations, said to Woodrow Wilson 1913
Sound like a scary prediction from the past?
yeah. Gross.
The link you provided said 'he was detained, because he was trying to work in Kenya without a valid work permit, according to local media reports.'
I understand you may have 'doubts' because Alex said so, but honestly, there are no facts anywhere, or at least i can't find them if there is, to disprove what is being reported.
Show me some solid reputable proof that it's not going down as it's reported and i'll absolutely always look on it with an open mind for a different view.
It's all moot anyway. He was born in the USA.
I don't got nothin, hun.
Just a curious mind, and trying to wonder why a defense council would possibly delay such a seemingly straightforward process. Nothin.
Alex says Corsi went over there to hunt for a birth certificate, and the man is verifiably arrested and deported on seemingly trivial charges. Its just more happenstance to add curious apeal to the story.
If I was to smile and I held out my hand
If I opened it now would you not understand?
That is a digital picture of a digital picture made available by the campaign.
And i NEVER go to snopes.
EVER.
Factcheck.org ....
"FactCheck.org staffers have now seen, touched, examined and photographed the original birth certificate. We conclude that it meets all of the requirements from the State Department for proving U.S. citizenship. Claims that the document lacks a raised seal or a signature are false. We have posted high-resolution photographs of the document as "supporting documents" to this article. Our conclusion: Obama was born in the U.S.A. just as he has always said."
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I took another glance at snopes on the whole Fanta/Coke Nazi thing, and this was their proof as explanation:
"According to a report prepared by an investigator commissioned by Coca-Cola to examine Max Keith's actions during that unsupervised period.."
Well if Coke says so...who is Snopes to argue what coke says if they say so...we aksed coke nicely...and they say FALSE...so we say....FALSE!!! we are snopes...hear us roar...
Progress is not made by everyone joining some new fad,
and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
over specific principles, goals, and policies.
"FactCheck.org staffers have now seen, touched, examined and photographed the original birth certificate. We conclude that it meets all of the requirements from the State Department for proving U.S. citizenship. Claims that the document lacks a raised seal or a signature are false. We have posted high-resolution photographs of the document as "supporting documents" to this article. Our conclusion: Obama was born in the U.S.A. just as he has always said."
Fair enough.
And i would be willing to believe that,
with the the reservation of final judgement coming after this trial plays out, of course.
Innocent until PROVEN guilty, right?
And FYI, i know nothing about factcheck.org ... never heard of it ... but i know it can't be worse than snopes, so.
If I was to smile and I held out my hand
If I opened it now would you not understand?
I don't got nothin, hun.
Just a curious mind, and trying to wonder why a defense council would possibly delay such a seemingly straightforward process. Nothin.
Alex says Corsi went over there to hunt for a birth certificate, and the man is verifiably arrested and deported on seemingly trivial charges. Its just more happenstance to add curious apeal to the story.
Just because you call me hun doesn't mean i'm gonna melt right
I'd love to jam with you one day. Would be awesome.
Fair enough.
And i would be willing to believe that,
with the the reservation of final judgement coming after this trial plays out, of course.
Innocent until PROVEN guilty, right?
And FYI, i know nothing about factcheck.org ... never heard of it ... but i know it can't be worse than snopes, so.
Yeah, I should have checked factcheck instead, I just happened to be perusing snopes in another window when I started reading the thread. As jimed14 stated, factcheck.org is impartial and will point out false statements made by both sides.
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I think the way it works is that you're an American so long as you're born on American soil (which is why all the Mexicans cross the border to pop their rugrats out on the American side). Technically, military bases are considered to be American territory (the same with foreign embassies). So someone born on a military base overseas is no different than being born stateside.
—Dorothy Parker
http://img210.imageshack.us/img210/6902/conspiracytheoriesxt6qt8.jpg
Good question. Maybe the guy wants circumcision records as well?!
and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
over specific principles, goals, and policies.
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How about this source?
Do you think i am some sort of right-wing propagandist?
:rolleyes:
Honestly i don't know cutback.
If you can't tell by how many times i was attacked on this thread already, i did NOT put a lot of time in to researching this. I heard something on the radio, googled it quickly, and came back here to ask. Since i KNEW all the libs in here would have an answer for me lickity split.
Now, i COULD try to find out for you,
but the site, obamacrimes.com now suddenly seems to be not working.
hmm.
:cool:
My GUESS would be yes.
They are probably looking for a few different documents.
I have NO idea.
But i still wouldn't see why someone with a full campaign staff and millions upon millions of dollars couldn't pull together a straight forward set of indentifying documents within the next few days.
They really need several weeks to pull that off ?
And he's ready to lead the country?
j/k ...
hes just as ready as old bumbling McCain.
If I opened it now would you not understand?
Absolutely.
Thats why we have presidential succession laws outlined in the constitution.
If I opened it now would you not understand?
Has crossed my mind...and this thread just reinforced.
So instead of taking that news report at face value, you're going to assume for no apparent reason that this man was arrested for a different reason altogether, being that he was getting too close to tracking down the "truth" about Obama's place of birth?
Yeah, that's not a stretch.
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Do you HONESTLY think that this far into the presidential election, with 2 debates already in, that the goverment would've just forgotten about checking where he was born?
8/7/08, 6/9/09
I HONESTLY don't put ANY faith in this entity, "The Government", that you talk about.
I only know that "the government" is SUPPOSED to be WE THE PEOPLE, but somehow the people have become EXTREMELY alienated from that allegedly representative body, "the government".
I also know that "the government" lies to me all the time, repeatedly.
Why would i weigh ANY decision based on what the government may or may not be doing on MY behalf (like verifying a candidate)?
Whose to say this wasn't all part of some weird scheme, like i was saying, maybe to cause an intentional riot. "What, Obama can't be president? Burn harlem, burn!"
??? i dunno. honestly i didn't mean to stir such a fucking nest with this, i was just asking a fucking question ???
If I opened it now would you not understand?
Speaking as someone who believes the US government to have, at least, been complicit in 9/11 even I think you are taking this waaaaaay too far.
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why would i be kidding? if people want to elect someone, it shouldn't matter if that person is foreign-born.
Agreed. It was only a few months ago where I actually believed the government was out to get me and I didn't trust shit. Then I sort of educated myself, sort of. Im not so sure I believe any of these conspiracy theories anymore.
8/7/08, 6/9/09
OMG. You can't really believe this. Can you?
The link you provided said 'he was detained, because he was trying to work in Kenya without a valid work permit, according to local media reports.'
I understand you may have 'doubts' because Alex said so, but honestly, there are no facts anywhere, or at least i can't find them if there is, to disprove what is being reported.
Show me some solid reputable proof that it's not going down as it's reported and i'll absolutely always look on it with an open mind for a different view.
It's all moot anyway. He was born in the USA.
It wouldn't matter to me.
Back in 2002 when Mitt Romney was running for Governor of Massachusetts, the Democratic Party sought to disqualify him by pointing out that he had hadn't really lived in Massachusetts and spent most of his time in Utah. I don't remember the details but the case was dismissed as Romney, I guess, held a permanent residence in MA for long enough or whatever. But the Democrats, instead of trying to kick him out of the race, should have just said "Hey, how can we expect this guy to govern Massachusetts when he'd rather be in Utah?" That's all they had to say... and it would have been more effective.
Now with McCain and Obama... there have been some questions as to whether or not either one is American-born. But whatever, because no one could doubt that either one has spent sufficient time living in America so that they know and understand the issues we face here.
do you really want Schwarzenegger as president?
Don't tell me some people alive and in positions of power aren't leaving a wet spot on the mattress when they wake up all hot and bothered over it looking for a cigarette...
and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
over specific principles, goals, and policies.
http://i36.tinypic.com/66j31x.jpg
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Here is a link to an image of Barack's birth certificate which his campaign made available this year:
http://i305.photobucket.com/albums/nn227/Polarik/BO_Birth_Certificate.jpg
You seem to forget, facts don't matter when dealing with conspiracy theories.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=03_ZHGAJxSQ
No matter what if his mother was american he is american
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Man.
I don't really believe ANY thing, except the facts i read in the OP.
1. Some guy is suing Obama's campaign for proof.
2. Obama's campaign is delaying the process of providing that proof.
That is FACT.
No distortion, no omission, just fact.
It's NOT an indictment, an accusation, or a judgement on my part of ANY sort. I said up front i didn't even give a flying fuck. I was just curious. It's news to me (because, honestly i don't follow the election that closely anymore, since i don't give a fuck who wins, unless you tell me McKinney is in the lead) and i wanted to see what some serious libs had to say about it.
Clearly the issue is a "sensitive" one. Why? I dunno. I just asked a question, any theories provided were merely attempts at rationalization of a motive.
If you think i'm crazy for the notion that someone might want to trigger martial law right about now, then you must forget who you are talking to ... and that would be someone who thinks Jonestown was a CIA mind control experiment that ended in a government sponsored massacre involving a 3rd world insurgent army as the hired held & patsy.
There is a difference between "out to get you" and "out to fuck you".
Remember that the government is really just owned by a bunch of rich assholes who having been fighting for control of this country since it was founded (both with eachother, others, and the public at large) ... and pretty much everything that it does (outside of congress, anyhow) is done to maintain that control. In short, government is concerned with it's OWN preservation, not yours. This isn't even about American history, its world history. How many governments have been corrupt and self serving, and how many have truly served the people? And the ones that were "good", how long did they last, anyhow?
Governments fuck people over. Over and over.
Its a historical fact. It doesn't exactly take a "conspiracy theorist" to put that point together. In fact, i'm sure you could probably argue it more cogently than me.
I guess the question here is, "are people who may not give a fuck about America trying to influence its internal policies"?
And for that answer, you could go straight to David Rockefeller's own autobiography:
“For more than a century, ideological extremists at either end of the political spectrum have seized upon well-publicized incidents to attack the Rockefeller family for the inordinate influence they claim we wield over American political and economic institutions. Some even believe we are part of a secret cabal working against the best interests of the United States, characterizing my family and me as “internationalists” and of conspiring with others around the world to build a more integrated global political and economic structure - one world, if you will. If that’s the charge, I stand guilty, and I am proud of it.” –David Rockefeller
So its not really about "truth", it's about idealism.
That IS the truth. They ARE NOT working in the best interest of YOUR COUNTRY. The question is, DO YOU AGREE WITH THEIR BELIEFS?
Because I sure as fuck don't support that ideology.
Period.
And here is one other LOVELY gem, by the utterly unloveable Col. House:
Sound like a scary prediction from the past?
yeah. Gross.
I don't got nothin, hun.
Just a curious mind, and trying to wonder why a defense council would possibly delay such a seemingly straightforward process. Nothin.
Alex says Corsi went over there to hunt for a birth certificate, and the man is verifiably arrested and deported on seemingly trivial charges. Its just more happenstance to add curious apeal to the story.
If I opened it now would you not understand?
That is a digital picture of a digital picture made available by the campaign.
And i NEVER go to snopes.
EVER.
If I opened it now would you not understand?
Factcheck.org ....
"FactCheck.org staffers have now seen, touched, examined and photographed the original birth certificate. We conclude that it meets all of the requirements from the State Department for proving U.S. citizenship. Claims that the document lacks a raised seal or a signature are false. We have posted high-resolution photographs of the document as "supporting documents" to this article. Our conclusion: Obama was born in the U.S.A. just as he has always said."
"I don't believe in damn curses. Wake up the damn Bambino and have me face him. Maybe I'll drill him in the ass." --- Pedro Martinez
"According to a report prepared by an investigator commissioned by Coca-Cola to examine Max Keith's actions during that unsupervised period.."
Well if Coke says so...who is Snopes to argue what coke says if they say so...we aksed coke nicely...and they say FALSE...so we say....FALSE!!! we are snopes...hear us roar...
http://www.snopes.com/cokelore/fanta.asp
laughable...
and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
over specific principles, goals, and policies.
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Fair enough.
And i would be willing to believe that,
with the the reservation of final judgement coming after this trial plays out, of course.
Innocent until PROVEN guilty, right?
And FYI, i know nothing about factcheck.org ... never heard of it ... but i know it can't be worse than snopes, so.
If I opened it now would you not understand?
They are folks not worried about taking shots at either candidate for lying ...
a nice dig at Obama stretching the truth ...
http://www.factcheck.org/elections-2008/more_social_security_spin.html
"I don't believe in damn curses. Wake up the damn Bambino and have me face him. Maybe I'll drill him in the ass." --- Pedro Martinez
I'd love to jam with you one day. Would be awesome.
Yeah, I should have checked factcheck instead, I just happened to be perusing snopes in another window when I started reading the thread. As jimed14 stated, factcheck.org is impartial and will point out false statements made by both sides.