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Was Obama Born In Kenya? Why Is His Campaign Hiding Behind Court Orders?

DriftingByTheStormDriftingByTheStorm Posts: 8,684
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This isn't a Obama-bash thread.
I'm just asking a question here.
I honestly couldn't give two shits if Obama or McCain wins.
They are both evil twats.

But I'm listening to a segment of the Alex Jones show from Tuesday, with Webster G. Tarpley as a guest.

Tarpley refered to this website, obamacrimes.com ...

the author of the site is trying, IN COURT, to get Obama's campaign to disclose PROOF OF NATURAL BORN CITIZENSHIP, and Obama's campaign, INSTEAD OF PRODUCING THE BIRTH CERTIFICATE, IS FILING PROTECTIVE MOTIONS WITH THE COURT.

Now, WHY IN FUCKS NAME WOULD YOU DO THAT !?!

And why in fucks name, if you were the goddamn president elect, wouldn't you just get the CIA to fake you a birth cert?

WTF?

I'm so confused by this.
Bizzare-o.

Also, neo-con Jerome Corsi, the man who wrote that anti-obama smear book you libs love (and which Eddie talked trash about, after the DC show), The Obama Nation, WAS JUST ARRESTED IN KENYA ... apparently he was there to do some press for his book, AND DO RESEARCH LOOKING FOR A KENYA BIRTH CERTIFICATE ON OBAMA.

And suddenly he is ARRESTED !?!

WTF ???

Anyone?
It really does seem to be a valid dispute, on the surface anyhow.

???
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  • jimed14jimed14 Posts: 9,488
    People really need to open their eyes and quit the conspiracy theories ... (not necessarily you DBTS although, a quick google search would have debunked this pretty quickly)


    http://fightthesmears.com/articles/5/birthcertificate

    http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/article/2008/jun/27/obamas-birth-certificate-part-ii/

    http://www.factcheck.org/elections-2008/born_in_the_usa.html


    As for the people who thinked he forged it ... you didn't read ...

    Politifact ....

    "If this document is forged, a U.S. senator and his presidential campaign have perpetrated a vast, long-term fraud. They have done it with conspiring officials at the Hawaii Department of Health, the Cook County (Ill.) Bureau of Vital Statistics, the Illinois Secretary of State’s office, the Attorney Registration & Disciplinary Commission of the Supreme Court of Illinois and many other government agencies."


    Factcheck.org ....

    "FactCheck.org staffers have now seen, touched, examined and photographed the original birth certificate. We conclude that it meets all of the requirements from the State Department for proving U.S. citizenship. Claims that the document lacks a raised seal or a signature are false. We have posted high-resolution photographs of the document as "supporting documents" to this article. Our conclusion: Obama was born in the U.S.A. just as he has always said."


    By the way, do you know the Ron Paul Supporters actually questioned if JOHN MCCAIN was not a US Citizen???

    http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/washington/2008/06/obama-birth.html
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  • Dirtie_FrankDirtie_Frank Posts: 1,348
    I thought if one of your parents were American that would make you American. For example when I was in the Army a few friends had babies with German wifes they were considered American. I do not support Obama but this would have been vetted a long time ago.
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  • JD SalJD Sal Posts: 790
    Drifting - seriously, this is akin to saying Obama is muslim and we're all going to be reading the Koran in 4 years. Come on now. Do some fact checks.
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  • DriftingByTheStormDriftingByTheStorm Posts: 8,684
    JD Sal wrote:
    Drifting - seriously, this is akin to saying Obama is muslim and we're all going to be reading the Koran in 4 years. Come on now. Do some fact checks.

    Okay.
    I don't think it's akin to anything of the sort.
    I'm not making any assumptions about this.

    My primary question, which raises a lot of weird thoughts, is WHY IS THE CAMPAIGN ASKING FOR A MOTION TO DELAY DISCOVERY?

    WHAT purpose could that possibly serve?

    The guy is suing in court for proof of eligibility for high office,
    you and several others here have linked to alleged evidence proving this, WHY IS HIS CAMPAIGN NOT IMMEDIATELY PROVIDING THIS IN COURT?

    It just doesn't make any fucking since.

    THAT is all i am saying.

    ???
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  • RolandTD20KdrummerRolandTD20Kdrummer Posts: 13,066
    Obama is not in the business of taking orders but rather.... deploying more troops...er...I mean giving orders....rather than taking them.

    in any event...you had me at evil twats...
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  • JD SalJD Sal Posts: 790
    RolandTD20Kdrummer wrote:
    in any event...you had me at evil twats...

    Alex Jones?
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  • DriftingByTheStormDriftingByTheStorm Posts: 8,684
    JD Sal wrote:
    Alex Jones?

    just give me an answer as to why you think his lawyers would want to delay discovery, in something that is allegedly (by his supporters) open & closed easy to prove simple?

    I'm not picking fights,
    i'm asking a legitimate question.

    Why would they stall on this?
    If nothing else, it is just stupid politics.
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  • RolandTD20KdrummerRolandTD20Kdrummer Posts: 13,066
    JD Sal wrote:
    Alex Jones?


    I dunno....is he bombing people too?
    Progress is not made by everyone joining some new fad,
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  • AnonAnon Posts: 11,175
    DriftingByTheStorm wrote:
    This isn't a Obama-bash thread.
    I'm just asking a question here.
    I honestly couldn't give two shits if Obama or McCain wins.
    They are both evil twats.
    Well at least we have established that the 'evil twat' was...
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  • JD SalJD Sal Posts: 790
    DriftingByTheStorm wrote:
    Okay.
    I don't think it's akin to anything of the sort.
    I'm not making any assumptions about this.

    My primary question, which raises a lot of weird thoughts, is WHY IS THE CAMPAIGN ASKING FOR A MOTION TO DELAY DISCOVERY?

    WHAT purpose could that possibly serve?

    The guy is suing in court for proof of eligibility for high office,
    you and several others here have linked to alleged evidence proving this, WHY IS HIS CAMPAIGN NOT IMMEDIATELY PROVIDING THIS IN COURT?

    It just doesn't make any fucking since.

    THAT is all i am saying.

    ???

    Maybe because a) this is ridiculous and b) Obama's campaign is a little busy at the moment. Do you honestly think that a person not born in this country would really be able to become President? If there was any truth to this, the Republicans would have found a way to disclose it long before the election was only 3 weeks away.
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  • jimed14jimed14 Posts: 9,488
    DriftingByTheStorm wrote:
    just give me an answer as to why you think his lawyers would want to delay discovery, in something that is allegedly (by his supporters) open & closed easy to prove simple?

    I'm not picking fights,
    i'm asking a legitimate question.

    Why would they stall on this?
    If nothing else, it is just stupid politics.

    did you see my post? or, would you rather continue to wonder about outlandish conspiracy theories?
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  • AnonAnon Posts: 11,175
    JD Sal wrote:
    Do you honestly think that a person not born in this country would really be able to become President? If there was any truth to this, the Republicans would have found a way to disclose it long before the election was only 3 weeks away.
    Sounds reasonable to me.
  • DriftingByTheStormDriftingByTheStorm Posts: 8,684
    jimed14 wrote:
    did you see my post? or, would you rather continue to wonder about outlandish conspiracy theories?

    Yes.
    I saw your post.
    And my question is, if you can find his birth certificate on the internet, why in fucks name would his defense council and entire campaign have to ask for a several week stall in court in order to produce something so trivial?

    And JD Sal,
    i don't want to go down deep-dark-conspiracy lane,
    but with regards to this "elections 3 weeks away thing", it ALMOST makes me wonder if this was not a contingency plan excuse for martial law, to be used IF needed.

    IF they suddenly announced Obama as an illlegitimate candidate, do you think there would be riots across America?

    I dunno.
    I'd just rather wait and see what comes of this court case.
    Otherwise, it IS all just rampant speculation.
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  • AnonAnon Posts: 11,175
    DriftingByTheStorm wrote:
    This isn't a Obama-bash thread.
    I'm just asking a question here.
    I honestly couldn't give two shits if Obama or McCain wins.
    They are both evil twats.
    And Drifting, you say it's not an obama bash thread, but you still revert to insults and then you wonder why people fire up.

    Take out the 'evil twats' comment, and i agree it's not an obama bash thread.
  • RolandTD20KdrummerRolandTD20Kdrummer Posts: 13,066
    DriftingByTheStorm wrote:
    And my question is, if you can find his birth certificate on the internet, why in fucks name would his defense council and entire campaign have to ask for a several week stall in court in order to produce something so trivial?

    It might start an exodus flow of American people expecting something he can deliver on.

    best to keep expectations low from the get go... ;):D
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  • RolandTD20KdrummerRolandTD20Kdrummer Posts: 13,066
    Pj_Gurl wrote:
    And Drifting, you say it's not an obama bash thread, but you still revert to insults and then you wonder why people fire up.

    Take out the 'evil twats' comment, and i agree it's not an obama bash thread.


    but...but... that's the best part!
    Progress is not made by everyone joining some new fad,
    and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
    over specific principles, goals, and policies.

    http://i36.tinypic.com/66j31x.jpg

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  • DriftingByTheStormDriftingByTheStorm Posts: 8,684
    Pj_Gurl wrote:
    And Drifting, you say it's not an obama bash thread, but you still revert to insults and then you wonder why people fire up.

    Take out the 'evil twats' comment, and i agree it's not an obama bash thread.

    It is NOT an obama bash thread.
    I think both candidates are equally vile.
    I should not have to censor that comment.
    The point is this is not a partisan thread.

    And JIMMED14,
    just for shits and giggles, what do you think of this? We could go all day with my source your source. Why is the Obama campaign trying to delay discovery on this? It's just silly.
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  • kenny olavkenny olav Posts: 3,319
    I don't fucking care. Even if he wasn't born in this country,

    IT DOES NOT FUCKING MATTER.
  • RolandTD20KdrummerRolandTD20Kdrummer Posts: 13,066
    It would matter if he gets chopped due to a technical bombshell... imagine that?!

    President Biden anyone?
    Progress is not made by everyone joining some new fad,
    and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
    over specific principles, goals, and policies.

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  • jimed14jimed14 Posts: 9,488
    jimed14 wrote:
    People really need to open their eyes and quit the conspiracy theories ... (not necessarily you DBTS although, a quick google search would have debunked this pretty quickly)


    http://fightthesmears.com/articles/5/birthcertificate

    http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/article/2008/jun/27/obamas-birth-certificate-part-ii/

    http://www.factcheck.org/elections-2008/born_in_the_usa.html


    As for the people who thinked he forged it ... you didn't read ...

    Politifact ....

    "If this document is forged, a U.S. senator and his presidential campaign have perpetrated a vast, long-term fraud. They have done it with conspiring officials at the Hawaii Department of Health, the Cook County (Ill.) Bureau of Vital Statistics, the Illinois Secretary of State’s office, the Attorney Registration & Disciplinary Commission of the Supreme Court of Illinois and many other government agencies."


    Factcheck.org ....

    "FactCheck.org staffers have now seen, touched, examined and photographed the original birth certificate. We conclude that it meets all of the requirements from the State Department for proving U.S. citizenship. Claims that the document lacks a raised seal or a signature are false. We have posted high-resolution photographs of the document as "supporting documents" to this article. Our conclusion: Obama was born in the U.S.A. just as he has always said."


    By the way, do you know the Ron Paul Supporters actually questioned if JOHN MCCAIN was not a US Citizen???

    http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/washington/2008/06/obama-birth.html

    nuff said
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  • kenny olavkenny olav Posts: 3,319
    It shouldn't matter. Change the constitution.
  • godpt3godpt3 Posts: 1,020
    DriftingByTheStorm wrote:
    I'm listening to a segment of the Alex Jones show

    well, there's your problem!
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  • callencallen Posts: 6,388
    DriftingByTheStorm wrote:
    This isn't a Obama-bash thread.
    I'm just asking a question here.
    I honestly couldn't give two shits if Obama or McCain wins.


    yea right okay.....
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  • callencallen Posts: 6,388
    RolandTD20Kdrummer wrote:
    It would matter if he gets chopped due to a technical bombshell... imagine that?!

    President Biden anyone?

    Sure the fk better than president palin....just the thought of that should make any reasonable person ill
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  • godpt3godpt3 Posts: 1,020
    DriftingByTheStorm wrote:
    Also, neo-con Jerome Corsi, the man who wrote that anti-obama smear book you libs love (and which Eddie talked trash about, after the DC show), The Obama Nation, WAS JUST ARRESTED IN KENYA ... apparently he was there to do some press for his book, AND DO RESEARCH LOOKING FOR A KENYA BIRTH CERTIFICATE ON OBAMA.

    And suddenly he is ARRESTED !?!

    WTF ???

    Anyone?
    It really does seem to be a valid dispute, on the surface anyhow.

    ???


    Are you really so STUPID that you would cite Chinese state media as your source here??? Corsi WAS NOT ARRESTED. He was asked to leave and DEPORTED from Kenya.
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  • Dirtie_FrankDirtie_Frank Posts: 1,348
    Kenny Olav wrote:
    It shouldn't matter. Change the constitution.


    You are kidding right, change the constitution?
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  • godpt3godpt3 Posts: 1,020
    Kenny Olav wrote:
    I don't fucking care. Even if he wasn't born in this country,

    IT DOES NOT FUCKING MATTER.

    Constitutionally, it does matter. It's also the reason Schwarzenegger may be governor of California, but can never become president.
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  • SoonForgotten2SoonForgotten2 Posts: 2,245
    DriftingByTheStorm wrote:
    And JIMMED14,
    just for shits and giggles, what do you think of this? We could go all day with my source your source. Why is the Obama campaign trying to delay discovery on this? It's just silly.

    This site, http://www.factcheck.org/elections-2008/born_in_the_usa.html , as cited by jimed shows the actual birth certificate. Have you actually looked at the photos? The other, http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-me...icate-part-ii/ says that the other certificates look the same.

    Now, if you want to wonder why a certain case is being handled in such a way, fine, fair play. But that youtube video has nothing to back it up and has been debunked by the two links here.
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  • normnorm Posts: 31,146
    drifting.....is there anything else in being asked for in discovery? in other words, is the person seeking this information asking for more than just his birth certificate? because that might be the hindrance to the obama campaign for releasing said documents

    and no links please, just an answer ;):D
  • OffHeGoes29OffHeGoes29 Posts: 1,240
    Kenny Olav wrote:
    I don't fucking care. Even if he wasn't born in this country,

    IT DOES NOT FUCKING MATTER.


    Unless it was John McCain or any other Republican, then it does.
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