Hey All You Self-Congratulatory Libs: Obama is BEHIND in the Polls

Strangest Tribe

It's too early to give the election to anyone. And the erection is fading as well.

the stars will soon fade from Mrs Palin's eyes

slightofjeff

MrSmith wrote:

i'm not convinced that Obama is going to do so well in these debates. i wouldnt be putting my eggs in that basket

And I definitely wouldn't count on Biden doing much against Palin. He's at a disadvantage of being a man debating a woman -- if he gets too harsh, he's going to look like a bully.

The fact that Biden happens to be a colossal windbag isn't going to help, either.

slightofjeff

Strangest Tribe wrote:

It's too early to give the election to anyone. And the erection is fading as well.

the stars will soon fade from Mrs Palin's eyes

I wouldn't count on this. At all.

Short of, as the saying goes, her being caught with a dead hooker or a live boy.

The Republican base hasn't been this excited about a politician since Ronald Reagan.

LikeAnOpeningBandForTheSun

digster wrote:

I mean, he went up against Hillary Clinton a few times one on one, who is a far far better debater than John McCain (and most national politicans) and didn't make an ass of himself. He held up, even if he never out and out won. I don't think the debates are going to prove to be Obama's big problem.

i agree basically, it just seems like people think he is going to own them over McCain. i doubt they will change many minds one way or the other.

Strangest Tribe

slightofjeff wrote:

I wouldn't count on this. At all.

Short of, as the saying goes, her being caught with a dead hooker or a live boy.

The Republican base hasn't been this excited about a politician since Ronald Reagan.

I'm not saying the base will sway the base would have taken Guiliani, but a lot of the leaners will go back to the fence...

The reality check after everyone creams their jeans is ...McCain is an old creaky frail fragile stiff leaky weird old dude and

no one wants this broad one step from the presidency....

we've got a couple of weeks for this fantasy to wear off....

Strangest Tribe

MrSmith wrote:

i agree basically, it just seems like people think he is going to own them over McCain. i doubt they will change many minds one way or the other.

what you mean is that it won't change your mind or any other republicans????

digster

MrSmith wrote:

i agree basically, it just seems like people think he is going to own them over McCain. i doubt they will change many minds one way or the other.

See, I don't see anyone thinking that at all. I haven't seen anyone expecting McCain to wipe the floor with Obama or vice versa. Everyone knows Obama's a great orator, and also know he hasn't been the best debater. McCain's not particularly skilled at either.

I also don't remember ever seeing this massive certainty that the race was Obama's in a cakewalk. He's running against a Republican after a failed Republican administration, which Obama had going for him, but he was certainly a risky choice in terms of experience, race, etc. and the Republicans were very smart and elected the only nominee who ever would have had a shot winning this year.

LikeAnOpeningBandForTheSun

Strangest Tribe wrote:

what you mean is that it won't change your mind or any other republicans????

no i meant what i said. most people's minds are already made up. many people are already tired of this stupid election shit anyway.

Solat13

Strangest Tribe wrote:

It's too early to give the election to anyone. And the erection is fading as well.

the stars will soon fade from Mrs Palin's eyes

If she does well in her first press interview, then it will be on her for at least another week or so.

You want to ask Hillary about how long the star shone on Obama.

And slightofjeff is right, the longer Obama and Biden focus on Palin, the further they go from Obama's vision of change and the more they anger women and get them to side with McCain and Palin.

Before the Democratic National Convention in late August, Obama held an 8-point lead among white women voters, 50 percent to 42 percent, according to the Washington Post/ABC News poll. After the Republican convention in early September, McCain was ahead by 12 points among white women, 53 percent to 41 percent, that survey found.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20080909/ts_nm/usa_politics_women_dc;_ylt=AhVz6yihKkelZrbv9mrCz.MEtbAF

unsung

Strangest Tribe wrote:

Yeah well you come across like a racist that's happy as shit a BLACK man is losing

Well it only took until post #9 before the racist label was tossed out, congrats.


It doesn't matter that the guy is an empty suit, does it?

catch22

unsung wrote:

Well it only took until post #9 before the racist label was tossed out, congrats.


It doesn't matter that the guy is an empty suit, does it?

why should it? it didn't matter for republicans the last 8 years.

slightofjeff

chiefojibwa wrote:

too bad for them it's not 1980.

Actually, too bad for Obama it's not March. Because that would give the novelty factor plenty of time to wear off of Palin.

She's the most popular politician in America right now. I don't see that going away in six weeks.

Sorry.

Doesn't mean McCain is going to win -- but if I'm Obama, I wouldn't bank my chances on the prospect of everyone suddenly turning on Palin. Not gonna happen.

digster

Solat13 wrote:

If she does well in her first press interview, then it will be on her for at least another week or so.

You want to ask Hillary about how long the star shone on Obama.

And slightofjeff is right, the longer Obama and Biden focus on Palin, the further they go from Obama's vision of change and the more they anger women and get them to side with McCain and Palin.

Before the Democratic National Convention in late August, Obama held an 8-point lead among white women voters, 50 percent to 42 percent, according to the Washington Post/ABC News poll. After the Republican convention in early September, McCain was ahead by 12 points among white women, 53 percent to 41 percent, that survey found.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20080909/ts_nm/usa_politics_women_dc;_ylt=AhVz6yihKkelZrbv9mrCz.MEtbAF

Yeah, I was troubled by that poll a bit. However, I found another poll (which I can't find at the moment) that shows that the Clinton Democrats have actually increased their support for Barack Obama since the announcement of Palin as VP; it was thought that the announcement would pull some Clinton supporters away, so that's been a bit of good news this week.

slightofjeff

catch22 wrote:

why should it? it didn't matter for republicans the last 8 years.

You can call GWB a lot of names, and many of them would be accurate. I don't think "empty suit" is one of them.

The man holds some deep convictions, and pretty much did what he said he was going to, right or wrong.

catch22

slightofjeff wrote:

You can call GWB a lot of names, and many of them would be accurate. I don't think "empty suit" is one of them.

The man holds some deep convictions, and pretty much did what he said he was going to, right or wrong.

how do you figure? the man did whatever dick cheney told him to do. he was incompetent and worthless. he sat in the office, not knowing how the fuck to do his job, and marched when they told him to. i think he qualifies for empty suit, which i understand to mean incompetence.

DriftingByTheStorm

catch22 wrote:

how do you figure? the man did whatever dick cheney told him to do. he was incompetent and worthless. he sat in the office, not knowing how the fuck to do his job, and marched when they told him to. i think he qualifies for empty suit, which i understand to mean incompetence.

and you think obama is pulling all these "bright" ideas out of his own ass?

Zbig must be so proud of his little Obama.

digster

slightofjeff wrote:

You can call GWB a lot of names, and many of them would be accurate. I don't think "empty suit" is one of them.

The man holds some deep convictions, and pretty much did what he said he was going to, right or wrong.

I'm not sure there's any better example of an empty suit. However, it's possible that he believed in everything he was doing, and was not a puppet with the hand of the neo-conservative wing of his administration planted firmly up his ass. Either way, he put the country in the shitter.

I just don't understand how that could be construed as a good thing about Bush; "He said he was going to screw this country up, and he sure did it right or wrong, no matter what the polls told him!" Maybe if he'd listened to those polls a bit more closely we wouldn't be in some of the messes we're in now.

catch22

DriftingByTheStorm wrote:

and you think obama is pulling all these "bright" ideas out of his own ass?

Zbig must be so proud of his little Obama.

i don't care where he's getting his ideas from, they're better than what we've been getting for the last 8 years. and my point was not that obama's some sort of messiah, just that it's amusing that people who put bush in office are levelling "empty suit" accusations at obama.

who or what is Zbig?

LikeAnOpeningBandForTheSun

catch22 wrote:

who or what is Zbig?

the great great great great nephew of the Queen of England or some shit.

DriftingByTheStorm

catch22 wrote:

i don't care where he's getting his ideas from, they're better than what we've been getting for the last 8 years. and my point was not that obama's some sort of messiah, just that it's amusing that people who put bush in office are levelling "empty suit" accusations at obama.

who or what is Zbig?

zbigniew brzezinski is the dickfaced, warmongering, elitist-cock-sucking global government loving shitwhore of a shill that is\was (still is secretly) one of Obama's chief advisors. [He publicly stepped down as his advisor a month ago or so, after it became public that his SON was advising McCain. so funny. not]

He was National Security Advisor to Carter, and he is right up there with Kissinger on the list of absolute cocksucking shitholes.

You may want to brush up on him, and his policies, since your boy is essentialy his little protege, and likely has a history with him going back to the 80's at Columbia.

Oh, almost forgot, and he was appointed as co-chair\co-founder of the Tri-Lateral commission by David Rockefeller.

ole dirty zbig wrote:

"...This regionalization is in keeping with the Tri-Lateral Plan which calls for a gradual convergence of East and West, ultimately leading toward the goal of "one world government'....National sovereignty is no longer a viable concept..." Zbigniew Brzezinski, National Security Advisor to President Jimmy Carter.