(1) It's right after the convention. Those polls don't mean anything.
(2) Never rely on polls. As they've proven in the past, anything can happen. Take a look at the New Hampshire Primary this year.
(3) We've got 3 debates and 1 V.P. debate to go. That will change a lot.
(4) It's early September. We've got 56 days to go. Take a look at the 2004 numbers, and you'll see right now means nothing.
(5) General population means next to nothing. As 2000 proved, it's all about the electoral college.
(6) It was announced today that 527's for Obama are going to start attacking. I think it was the AFL who has $27 million waiting to attack McCain. We'll see what happens when those go to work.
(7) As more information and dirt comes out about Sarah Palin, the more McCain's numbers will slip. The girl charged the state for living at home, couldn't balance her city's budget, couldn't manage the construction of an athletic complex, and is simply ignorant on national affairs. She'll bring his numbers down a lot, no matter how many crazy religious people come out for her.
Biden and Obama are not helping matters by going after Palin so forcefully as they did today. Some of their comments, if misconstrued, could be seen as offensive. They should leave Palin to their surrogates and go hard after the big fish.
But my goodness, this campaign is starting to get VERY nasty on all sides.
national polls don't mean shit. the electoral college or whatever the fuck it's called is how we elect our prez, and the polls i've seen have obama up significantly.
You need to look at more polls taken after McCain's big bounce:
Also, the one that shows Obama up a scant one point in Michigan now has got to be considerably troubling. If he loses Michigan, I don't see any way he can win the election.
everybody wants the most they can possibly get
for the least they could possibly do
(1) It's right after the convention. Those polls don't mean anything.
(2) Never rely on polls. As they've proven in the past, anything can happen. Take a look at the New Hampshire Primary this year.
(3) We've got 3 debates and 1 V.P. debate to go. That will change a lot.
(4) It's early September. We've got 56 days to go. Take a look at the 2004 numbers, and you'll see right now means nothing.
(5) General population means next to nothing. As 2000 proved, it's all about the electoral college.
(6) It was announced today that 527's for Obama are going to start attacking. I think it was the AFL who has $27 million waiting to attack McCain. We'll see what happens when those go to work.
(7) As more information and dirt comes out about Sarah Palin, the more McCain's numbers will slip. The girl charged the state for living at home, couldn't balance her city's budget, couldn't manage the construction of an athletic complex, and is simply ignorant on national affairs. She'll bring his numbers down a lot, no matter how many crazy religious people come out for her.
The problem with No. 7 is that most of that stuff is completely untrue. And in fact, Obama even bringing up most of those bogus charges after promising "to change the way we do politics" is going to reflect badly on him.
I agree with your assessment that it is far too early to ascertain any real meaning from the polls -- except that this sucker is close, close, close. However, if Obama is counting on Palin bringing his numbers down, he's going to lose.
In fact, I say he needs to stop going after Palin altogether. Everyday the headline is something stupid along the lines of: "Palin charged the taxpayers of Alaska to live at home" is a day Obama does not spend striking at McCain.
It's a total red herring put out by the Republicans, and Obama -- bless his heart -- is falling for it hook, line and sinker.
everybody wants the most they can possibly get
for the least they could possibly do
There's a lot of nervous anti-Obama people you can feel it.
Honestly, not really. I don't think any Republican went into this election thinking they had a shot in hell. Just the fact McCain has a very real chance to win has the Republican base motivated and optimistic.
The people who are nervous are the Obama people. They were supposed to have this in the bag by now. Here we are in September and there is a 50-50 chance he could lose.
Everything they've done since the Palin announcement/convention has been a stroke of desperation.
Obama back-tracking on his tax plan; Obama taking credit for troop levels decreasing in Iraq; Obama promising not to "play politics as usual" -- then sending a small army of paid muckrackers to Alaska the day after the Palin announcement to dig up something, anything on her.
He's panicking, and you can feel it.
everybody wants the most they can possibly get
for the least they could possibly do
Also, the one that shows Obama up a scant one point in Michigan now has got to be considerably troubling. If he loses Michigan, I don't see any way he can win the election.
If he wins Penn and Ohio. I think Obama needs to win two out of those three states...having Virginia and/or Florida wouldn't hurt either.
However, he can do it without either Florida or Virginia. He would have to win Michigan, Pennsylvania, New Hampshire and steal Colorado and New Mexico. Currently, he leads in all these states, some by 1-2 percent and some by 7. If he wins all those and wins the states he's expected to win the election is his. There's alot of room for error and if McCain wins one of these and Obama can't pick up any other states McCain's got it. That being said, alot of the Midwestern, Northwestern traditionally Republican states (Montana, the Dakotas) are extremely close as well. If Obama steals one or two of those, he has it.
If he wins Penn and Ohio. I think Obama needs to win two out of those three states...having Virginia and/or Florida wouldn't hurt either.
However, he can do it without either Florida or Virginia. He would have to win Michigan, Pennsylvania, New Hampshire and steal Colorado and New Mexico. Currently, he leads in all these states, some by 1-2 percent and some by 7. If he wins all those and wins the states he's expected to win the election is his. There's alot of room for error and if McCain wins one of these and Obama can't pick up any other states McCain's got it. That being said, alot of the Midwestern, Northwestern traditionally Republican states (Montana, the Dakotas) are extremely close as well. If Obama steals one or two of those, he has it.
I guess I don't think he wins Ohio, Florida or Virginia. I would be willing to bet a paycheck on it.
In fact, I'd be willing to go out on a limb as say if Obama loses Michigan, he loses the election.
That said, you could play this game with McCain, too, starting with many of the states we've already mentioned here.
My overarching point is, if I'm an Obama supporter, I'm not even close to planning my end zone dance just yet.
everybody wants the most they can possibly get
for the least they could possibly do
i'm not convinced that Obama is going to do so well in these debates. i wouldnt be putting my eggs in that basket
I mean, he went up against Hillary Clinton a few times one on one, who is a far far better debater than John McCain (and most national politicans) and didn't make an ass of himself. He held up, even if he never out and out won. I don't think the debates are going to prove to be Obama's big problem.
i'm not convinced that Obama is going to do so well in these debates. i wouldnt be putting my eggs in that basket
And I definitely wouldn't count on Biden doing much against Palin. He's at a disadvantage of being a man debating a woman -- if he gets too harsh, he's going to look like a bully.
The fact that Biden happens to be a colossal windbag isn't going to help, either.
everybody wants the most they can possibly get
for the least they could possibly do
I mean, he went up against Hillary Clinton a few times one on one, who is a far far better debater than John McCain (and most national politicans) and didn't make an ass of himself. He held up, even if he never out and out won. I don't think the debates are going to prove to be Obama's big problem.
i agree basically, it just seems like people think he is going to own them over McCain. i doubt they will change many minds one way or the other.
i agree basically, it just seems like people think he is going to own them over McCain. i doubt they will change many minds one way or the other.
See, I don't see anyone thinking that at all. I haven't seen anyone expecting McCain to wipe the floor with Obama or vice versa. Everyone knows Obama's a great orator, and also know he hasn't been the best debater. McCain's not particularly skilled at either.
I also don't remember ever seeing this massive certainty that the race was Obama's in a cakewalk. He's running against a Republican after a failed Republican administration, which Obama had going for him, but he was certainly a risky choice in terms of experience, race, etc. and the Republicans were very smart and elected the only nominee who ever would have had a shot winning this year.
It's too early to give the election to anyone. And the erection is fading as well.
the stars will soon fade from Mrs Palin's eyes
If she does well in her first press interview, then it will be on her for at least another week or so.
You want to ask Hillary about how long the star shone on Obama.
And slightofjeff is right, the longer Obama and Biden focus on Palin, the further they go from Obama's vision of change and the more they anger women and get them to side with McCain and Palin.
Before the Democratic National Convention in late August, Obama held an 8-point lead among white women voters, 50 percent to 42 percent, according to the Washington Post/ABC News poll. After the Republican convention in early September, McCain was ahead by 12 points among white women, 53 percent to 41 percent, that survey found.
Actually, too bad for Obama it's not March. Because that would give the novelty factor plenty of time to wear off of Palin.
She's the most popular politician in America right now. I don't see that going away in six weeks.
Sorry.
Doesn't mean McCain is going to win -- but if I'm Obama, I wouldn't bank my chances on the prospect of everyone suddenly turning on Palin. Not gonna happen.
everybody wants the most they can possibly get
for the least they could possibly do
If she does well in her first press interview, then it will be on her for at least another week or so.
You want to ask Hillary about how long the star shone on Obama.
And slightofjeff is right, the longer Obama and Biden focus on Palin, the further they go from Obama's vision of change and the more they anger women and get them to side with McCain and Palin.
Before the Democratic National Convention in late August, Obama held an 8-point lead among white women voters, 50 percent to 42 percent, according to the Washington Post/ABC News poll. After the Republican convention in early September, McCain was ahead by 12 points among white women, 53 percent to 41 percent, that survey found.
Yeah, I was troubled by that poll a bit. However, I found another poll (which I can't find at the moment) that shows that the Clinton Democrats have actually increased their support for Barack Obama since the announcement of Palin as VP; it was thought that the announcement would pull some Clinton supporters away, so that's been a bit of good news this week.
You can call GWB a lot of names, and many of them would be accurate. I don't think "empty suit" is one of them.
The man holds some deep convictions, and pretty much did what he said he was going to, right or wrong.
how do you figure? the man did whatever dick cheney told him to do. he was incompetent and worthless. he sat in the office, not knowing how the fuck to do his job, and marched when they told him to. i think he qualifies for empty suit, which i understand to mean incompetence.
how do you figure? the man did whatever dick cheney told him to do. he was incompetent and worthless. he sat in the office, not knowing how the fuck to do his job, and marched when they told him to. i think he qualifies for empty suit, which i understand to mean incompetence.
and you think obama is pulling all these "bright" ideas out of his own ass?
Zbig must be so proud of his little Obama.
If I was to smile and I held out my hand
If I opened it now would you not understand?
You can call GWB a lot of names, and many of them would be accurate. I don't think "empty suit" is one of them.
The man holds some deep convictions, and pretty much did what he said he was going to, right or wrong.
I'm not sure there's any better example of an empty suit. However, it's possible that he believed in everything he was doing, and was not a puppet with the hand of the neo-conservative wing of his administration planted firmly up his ass. Either way, he put the country in the shitter.
I just don't understand how that could be construed as a good thing about Bush; "He said he was going to screw this country up, and he sure did it right or wrong, no matter what the polls told him!" Maybe if he'd listened to those polls a bit more closely we wouldn't be in some of the messes we're in now.
and you think obama is pulling all these "bright" ideas out of his own ass?
Zbig must be so proud of his little Obama.
i don't care where he's getting his ideas from, they're better than what we've been getting for the last 8 years. and my point was not that obama's some sort of messiah, just that it's amusing that people who put bush in office are levelling "empty suit" accusations at obama.
i don't care where he's getting his ideas from, they're better than what we've been getting for the last 8 years. and my point was not that obama's some sort of messiah, just that it's amusing that people who put bush in office are levelling "empty suit" accusations at obama.
who or what is Zbig?
zbigniew brzezinski is the dickfaced, warmongering, elitist-cock-sucking global government loving shitwhore of a shill that is\was (still is secretly) one of Obama's chief advisors. [He publicly stepped down as his advisor a month ago or so, after it became public that his SON was advising McCain. so funny. not]
He was National Security Advisor to Carter, and he is right up there with Kissinger on the list of absolute cocksucking shitholes.
You may want to brush up on him, and his policies, since your boy is essentialy his little protege, and likely has a history with him going back to the 80's at Columbia.
Oh, almost forgot, and he was appointed as co-chair\co-founder of the Tri-Lateral commission by David Rockefeller.
"...This regionalization is in keeping with the Tri-Lateral Plan which calls for a gradual convergence of East and West, ultimately leading toward the goal of "one world government'....National sovereignty is no longer a viable concept..." Zbigniew Brzezinski, National Security Advisor to President Jimmy Carter.
If I was to smile and I held out my hand
If I opened it now would you not understand?
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McCain is cyborg? Awesome. He's got my vote.
(2) Never rely on polls. As they've proven in the past, anything can happen. Take a look at the New Hampshire Primary this year.
(3) We've got 3 debates and 1 V.P. debate to go. That will change a lot.
(4) It's early September. We've got 56 days to go. Take a look at the 2004 numbers, and you'll see right now means nothing.
(5) General population means next to nothing. As 2000 proved, it's all about the electoral college.
(6) It was announced today that 527's for Obama are going to start attacking. I think it was the AFL who has $27 million waiting to attack McCain. We'll see what happens when those go to work.
(7) As more information and dirt comes out about Sarah Palin, the more McCain's numbers will slip. The girl charged the state for living at home, couldn't balance her city's budget, couldn't manage the construction of an athletic complex, and is simply ignorant on national affairs. She'll bring his numbers down a lot, no matter how many crazy religious people come out for her.
Madison Square Garden 6/25/08
But my goodness, this campaign is starting to get VERY nasty on all sides.
You need to look at more polls taken after McCain's big bounce:
http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/maps/obama_vs_mccain/?map=10
Also, the one that shows Obama up a scant one point in Michigan now has got to be considerably troubling. If he loses Michigan, I don't see any way he can win the election.
for the least they could possibly do
The problem with No. 7 is that most of that stuff is completely untrue. And in fact, Obama even bringing up most of those bogus charges after promising "to change the way we do politics" is going to reflect badly on him.
I agree with your assessment that it is far too early to ascertain any real meaning from the polls -- except that this sucker is close, close, close. However, if Obama is counting on Palin bringing his numbers down, he's going to lose.
In fact, I say he needs to stop going after Palin altogether. Everyday the headline is something stupid along the lines of: "Palin charged the taxpayers of Alaska to live at home" is a day Obama does not spend striking at McCain.
It's a total red herring put out by the Republicans, and Obama -- bless his heart -- is falling for it hook, line and sinker.
for the least they could possibly do
Honestly, not really. I don't think any Republican went into this election thinking they had a shot in hell. Just the fact McCain has a very real chance to win has the Republican base motivated and optimistic.
The people who are nervous are the Obama people. They were supposed to have this in the bag by now. Here we are in September and there is a 50-50 chance he could lose.
Everything they've done since the Palin announcement/convention has been a stroke of desperation.
Obama back-tracking on his tax plan; Obama taking credit for troop levels decreasing in Iraq; Obama promising not to "play politics as usual" -- then sending a small army of paid muckrackers to Alaska the day after the Palin announcement to dig up something, anything on her.
He's panicking, and you can feel it.
for the least they could possibly do
If he wins Penn and Ohio. I think Obama needs to win two out of those three states...having Virginia and/or Florida wouldn't hurt either.
However, he can do it without either Florida or Virginia. He would have to win Michigan, Pennsylvania, New Hampshire and steal Colorado and New Mexico. Currently, he leads in all these states, some by 1-2 percent and some by 7. If he wins all those and wins the states he's expected to win the election is his. There's alot of room for error and if McCain wins one of these and Obama can't pick up any other states McCain's got it. That being said, alot of the Midwestern, Northwestern traditionally Republican states (Montana, the Dakotas) are extremely close as well. If Obama steals one or two of those, he has it.
I guess I don't think he wins Ohio, Florida or Virginia. I would be willing to bet a paycheck on it.
In fact, I'd be willing to go out on a limb as say if Obama loses Michigan, he loses the election.
That said, you could play this game with McCain, too, starting with many of the states we've already mentioned here.
My overarching point is, if I'm an Obama supporter, I'm not even close to planning my end zone dance just yet.
for the least they could possibly do
I mean, he went up against Hillary Clinton a few times one on one, who is a far far better debater than John McCain (and most national politicans) and didn't make an ass of himself. He held up, even if he never out and out won. I don't think the debates are going to prove to be Obama's big problem.
the stars will soon fade from Mrs Palin's eyes
And I definitely wouldn't count on Biden doing much against Palin. He's at a disadvantage of being a man debating a woman -- if he gets too harsh, he's going to look like a bully.
The fact that Biden happens to be a colossal windbag isn't going to help, either.
for the least they could possibly do
I wouldn't count on this. At all.
Short of, as the saying goes, her being caught with a dead hooker or a live boy.
The Republican base hasn't been this excited about a politician since Ronald Reagan.
for the least they could possibly do
I'm not saying the base will sway the base would have taken Guiliani, but a lot of the leaners will go back to the fence...
The reality check after everyone creams their jeans is ...McCain is an old creaky frail fragile stiff leaky weird old dude and
no one wants this broad one step from the presidency....
we've got a couple of weeks for this fantasy to wear off....
what you mean is that it won't change your mind or any other republicans????
See, I don't see anyone thinking that at all. I haven't seen anyone expecting McCain to wipe the floor with Obama or vice versa. Everyone knows Obama's a great orator, and also know he hasn't been the best debater. McCain's not particularly skilled at either.
I also don't remember ever seeing this massive certainty that the race was Obama's in a cakewalk. He's running against a Republican after a failed Republican administration, which Obama had going for him, but he was certainly a risky choice in terms of experience, race, etc. and the Republicans were very smart and elected the only nominee who ever would have had a shot winning this year.
If she does well in her first press interview, then it will be on her for at least another week or so.
You want to ask Hillary about how long the star shone on Obama.
And slightofjeff is right, the longer Obama and Biden focus on Palin, the further they go from Obama's vision of change and the more they anger women and get them to side with McCain and Palin.
Before the Democratic National Convention in late August, Obama held an 8-point lead among white women voters, 50 percent to 42 percent, according to the Washington Post/ABC News poll. After the Republican convention in early September, McCain was ahead by 12 points among white women, 53 percent to 41 percent, that survey found.
http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20080909/ts_nm/usa_politics_women_dc;_ylt=AhVz6yihKkelZrbv9mrCz.MEtbAF
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Well it only took until post #9 before the racist label was tossed out, congrats.
It doesn't matter that the guy is an empty suit, does it?
why should it? it didn't matter for republicans the last 8 years.
Actually, too bad for Obama it's not March. Because that would give the novelty factor plenty of time to wear off of Palin.
She's the most popular politician in America right now. I don't see that going away in six weeks.
Sorry.
Doesn't mean McCain is going to win -- but if I'm Obama, I wouldn't bank my chances on the prospect of everyone suddenly turning on Palin. Not gonna happen.
for the least they could possibly do
Yeah, I was troubled by that poll a bit. However, I found another poll (which I can't find at the moment) that shows that the Clinton Democrats have actually increased their support for Barack Obama since the announcement of Palin as VP; it was thought that the announcement would pull some Clinton supporters away, so that's been a bit of good news this week.
You can call GWB a lot of names, and many of them would be accurate. I don't think "empty suit" is one of them.
The man holds some deep convictions, and pretty much did what he said he was going to, right or wrong.
for the least they could possibly do
how do you figure? the man did whatever dick cheney told him to do. he was incompetent and worthless. he sat in the office, not knowing how the fuck to do his job, and marched when they told him to. i think he qualifies for empty suit, which i understand to mean incompetence.
and you think obama is pulling all these "bright" ideas out of his own ass?
Zbig must be so proud of his little Obama.
If I opened it now would you not understand?
I'm not sure there's any better example of an empty suit. However, it's possible that he believed in everything he was doing, and was not a puppet with the hand of the neo-conservative wing of his administration planted firmly up his ass. Either way, he put the country in the shitter.
I just don't understand how that could be construed as a good thing about Bush; "He said he was going to screw this country up, and he sure did it right or wrong, no matter what the polls told him!" Maybe if he'd listened to those polls a bit more closely we wouldn't be in some of the messes we're in now.
i don't care where he's getting his ideas from, they're better than what we've been getting for the last 8 years. and my point was not that obama's some sort of messiah, just that it's amusing that people who put bush in office are levelling "empty suit" accusations at obama.
who or what is Zbig?
He was National Security Advisor to Carter, and he is right up there with Kissinger on the list of absolute cocksucking shitholes.
You may want to brush up on him, and his policies, since your boy is essentialy his little protege, and likely has a history with him going back to the 80's at Columbia.
Oh, almost forgot, and he was appointed as co-chair\co-founder of the Tri-Lateral commission by David Rockefeller.
If I opened it now would you not understand?