Hey All You Self-Congratulatory Libs: Obama is BEHIND in the Polls

jimed14

DriftingByTheStorm wrote:

Yes.
I've seen it several times.

and no, i'm not digging through the muck to find it.

But i quoted you a near verbatim paraphrase of what is said,
"i think having obama in the white house will show the world that america has made a lot of progress, and that we are no longer racist."

which, of course, is a racist statement in disguise.
right?

And like i said, Vedder said it himself: "it will be nice to have a little bit of color in the white house".

that "quote" does not state that someone is actually voting for Obama because he is black, it states what the result of such a vote would be perceived as. Those are two different things.

DriftingByTheStorm

jimed14 wrote:

that "quote" does not state that someone is actually voting for Obama because he is black, it states what the result of such a vote would be perceived as. Those are two different things.

That was used as the ONLY statement in conjuncture with "i'm voting for obama".

And the thread went on and on in analysis of that point.

Open

I had to stop at a gas station bathroom today and unlike the good ole days where you could find the phone number of a neighbor hood chick who was willing to advertise in the men's room. I came across, "Obama is a N, who will f your mom" along with a picture of a noose and several other slurs. So no im not surprised that he is behind in the polls.

jimed14

DriftingByTheStorm wrote:

That was used as the ONLY statement in conjuncture with "i'm voting for obama".

And the thread went on and on in analysis of that point.

keep trying.

Enkidu

"Goose step this country off a cliff?" Obama followers? I think you might be mixed up.

VictoryGin

DriftingByTheStorm wrote:

so basicaly you are saying you just flat out have beef with polls, period?

Thats fine.
Then shut the fuck up and stop pretending like your analysis of polls is better than mine.

Just say, "Polls are bullshit."

But don't come at me with your bogus poll reading superiority shtick.

no, not period. my intention was to prove how idiotic your post was.

pearljam132112

"I don't really give a flying fuck"
ABOUT POLITICS.

because it all went down the drain the day that George W Bush cheated during the presidential election of 2000.


and i CANT WAIT for 1-20-09, because that oil mongering murderer will be out of office!

its a very nice belated birthday present, wouldnt you say?

catch22

mccain got a bump because the whole country is buzzing about his VP pick? you're kidding! this election is SOO over! :rolleyes:

i love that the guy who seems to be pumping john mccain is calling obama some sort of elitist.

Strangest Tribe

this thread was created by another ignorant racist....

end discussion

fugawzi

LOL...behind in the polls. More like statistically dead even with the margin of error. Besides it's 2 months until the election, we haven't even seen the debates which I can't wait for. Joey the Shark is gonna embarrass Sarah Barracuda Oct. 2. Some people are so ignorant with their labels like "libs". Partisan bullshit. There's a lot of nervous anti-Obama people you can feel it.

bootlegger10

VictoryGin wrote:

first of all, learn how to read re: polls.

second: you'd rather have the u.s. turn into a nation of cyborgs under the supreme rulership of premier cyborg mccain? ha.

McCain is cyborg? Awesome. He's got my vote.

drew0

(1) It's right after the convention. Those polls don't mean anything.

(2) Never rely on polls. As they've proven in the past, anything can happen. Take a look at the New Hampshire Primary this year.

(3) We've got 3 debates and 1 V.P. debate to go. That will change a lot.

(4) It's early September. We've got 56 days to go. Take a look at the 2004 numbers, and you'll see right now means nothing.

(5) General population means next to nothing. As 2000 proved, it's all about the electoral college.

(6) It was announced today that 527's for Obama are going to start attacking. I think it was the AFL who has $27 million waiting to attack McCain. We'll see what happens when those go to work.

(7) As more information and dirt comes out about Sarah Palin, the more McCain's numbers will slip. The girl charged the state for living at home, couldn't balance her city's budget, couldn't manage the construction of an athletic complex, and is simply ignorant on national affairs. She'll bring his numbers down a lot, no matter how many crazy religious people come out for her.

digster

Biden and Obama are not helping matters by going after Palin so forcefully as they did today. Some of their comments, if misconstrued, could be seen as offensive. They should leave Palin to their surrogates and go hard after the big fish.

But my goodness, this campaign is starting to get VERY nasty on all sides.

slightofjeff

chiefojibwa wrote:

national polls don't mean shit. the electoral college or whatever the fuck it's called is how we elect our prez, and the polls i've seen have obama up significantly.

You need to look at more polls taken after McCain's big bounce:

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/maps/obama_vs_mccain/?map=10

Also, the one that shows Obama up a scant one point in Michigan now has got to be considerably troubling. If he loses Michigan, I don't see any way he can win the election.

slightofjeff

drew0 wrote:

(1) It's right after the convention. Those polls don't mean anything.

(2) Never rely on polls. As they've proven in the past, anything can happen. Take a look at the New Hampshire Primary this year.

(3) We've got 3 debates and 1 V.P. debate to go. That will change a lot.

(4) It's early September. We've got 56 days to go. Take a look at the 2004 numbers, and you'll see right now means nothing.

(5) General population means next to nothing. As 2000 proved, it's all about the electoral college.

(6) It was announced today that 527's for Obama are going to start attacking. I think it was the AFL who has $27 million waiting to attack McCain. We'll see what happens when those go to work.

(7) As more information and dirt comes out about Sarah Palin, the more McCain's numbers will slip. The girl charged the state for living at home, couldn't balance her city's budget, couldn't manage the construction of an athletic complex, and is simply ignorant on national affairs. She'll bring his numbers down a lot, no matter how many crazy religious people come out for her.

The problem with No. 7 is that most of that stuff is completely untrue. And in fact, Obama even bringing up most of those bogus charges after promising "to change the way we do politics" is going to reflect badly on him.

I agree with your assessment that it is far too early to ascertain any real meaning from the polls -- except that this sucker is close, close, close. However, if Obama is counting on Palin bringing his numbers down, he's going to lose.

In fact, I say he needs to stop going after Palin altogether. Everyday the headline is something stupid along the lines of: "Palin charged the taxpayers of Alaska to live at home" is a day Obama does not spend striking at McCain.

It's a total red herring put out by the Republicans, and Obama -- bless his heart -- is falling for it hook, line and sinker.

slightofjeff

fugawzi wrote:

There's a lot of nervous anti-Obama people you can feel it.

Honestly, not really. I don't think any Republican went into this election thinking they had a shot in hell. Just the fact McCain has a very real chance to win has the Republican base motivated and optimistic.

The people who are nervous are the Obama people. They were supposed to have this in the bag by now. Here we are in September and there is a 50-50 chance he could lose.

Everything they've done since the Palin announcement/convention has been a stroke of desperation.

Obama back-tracking on his tax plan; Obama taking credit for troop levels decreasing in Iraq; Obama promising not to "play politics as usual" -- then sending a small army of paid muckrackers to Alaska the day after the Palin announcement to dig up something, anything on her.

He's panicking, and you can feel it.

digster

slightofjeff wrote:

You need to look at more polls taken after McCain's big bounce:

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/maps/obama_vs_mccain/?map=10

Also, the one that shows Obama up a scant one point in Michigan now has got to be considerably troubling. If he loses Michigan, I don't see any way he can win the election.

If he wins Penn and Ohio. I think Obama needs to win two out of those three states...having Virginia and/or Florida wouldn't hurt either.

However, he can do it without either Florida or Virginia. He would have to win Michigan, Pennsylvania, New Hampshire and steal Colorado and New Mexico. Currently, he leads in all these states, some by 1-2 percent and some by 7. If he wins all those and wins the states he's expected to win the election is his. There's alot of room for error and if McCain wins one of these and Obama can't pick up any other states McCain's got it. That being said, alot of the Midwestern, Northwestern traditionally Republican states (Montana, the Dakotas) are extremely close as well. If Obama steals one or two of those, he has it.

LikeAnOpeningBandForTheSun

i'm not convinced that Obama is going to do so well in these debates. i wouldnt be putting my eggs in that basket

slightofjeff

digster wrote:

If he wins Penn and Ohio. I think Obama needs to win two out of those three states...having Virginia and/or Florida wouldn't hurt either.

However, he can do it without either Florida or Virginia. He would have to win Michigan, Pennsylvania, New Hampshire and steal Colorado and New Mexico. Currently, he leads in all these states, some by 1-2 percent and some by 7. If he wins all those and wins the states he's expected to win the election is his. There's alot of room for error and if McCain wins one of these and Obama can't pick up any other states McCain's got it. That being said, alot of the Midwestern, Northwestern traditionally Republican states (Montana, the Dakotas) are extremely close as well. If Obama steals one or two of those, he has it.

I guess I don't think he wins Ohio, Florida or Virginia. I would be willing to bet a paycheck on it.

In fact, I'd be willing to go out on a limb as say if Obama loses Michigan, he loses the election.

That said, you could play this game with McCain, too, starting with many of the states we've already mentioned here.

My overarching point is, if I'm an Obama supporter, I'm not even close to planning my end zone dance just yet.

digster

MrSmith wrote:

i'm not convinced that Obama is going to do so well in these debates. i wouldnt be putting my eggs in that basket

I mean, he went up against Hillary Clinton a few times one on one, who is a far far better debater than John McCain (and most national politicans) and didn't make an ass of himself. He held up, even if he never out and out won. I don't think the debates are going to prove to be Obama's big problem.