11-28 CNN\YouTube Republican Debate Tonight

Yoyoyo

"While we won't know the final answer until January, what we do know is that there is very little relationship between what people who answer their phones tell the pollsters, and the activity of people who vote on and rate videos on YouTube," said Katie Delahaye Paine, CEO and head of the research project.

Goodbye polls and MSM guiding the voting hand in America. And good riddance.

Yoyoyo

Good read

http://www.techpresident.com/blog/entry/14238/how_cnn_demeans_the_internet

"CNN is not reaching out to online communities by holding YouTube debates. CNN is undermining them and trying to co-opt them into their mainstream media narrative. They set a trap, bait it with national exposure, and then subtly tear down the very people they claim to respect. By moderating heavily, by not allowing users to vote on videos in any meaningful way, and by choosing style over substance, CNN is insulting the American people, not only those online who put their time into making serious questions for the candidates but those who watched thinking they were being treated to a real discussion on policy, politics, and values."

ledvedderman

A cultural movement like one that would be needed to get a candidate like Ron Paul a party nomination from the Republican party would take YEARS to happen. You're talking a few short months/weeks. Could this be the start of something good? Yes, and I hope it is, BUT it's virtually impossible to happen.

I think you've got me in your head as someone who can't stand Ron Paul. I like the guy and I really hope he does well. However, from the political and realistic side of my brain I can say with 99.99999999999% certainty (because nothing is IMPOSSIBLE in politics) that Dr. Paul will not win the Republican nomination.

IF he finishes in the top three, you could see a move for Republicans to get back to their roots in the 2010 election to try to win some seats back in the Congress. You can't switch far right whack jobs to idealist's like Ron Paul in this short of a time though. I hope Ron Paul is the spark that gets this going though.

Yoyoyo

ledvedderman wrote:

A cultural movement like one that would be needed to get a candidate like Ron Paul a party nomination from the Republican party would take YEARS to happen. You're talking a few short months/weeks. Could this be the start of something good? Yes, and I hope it is, BUT it's virtually impossible to happen.

The thing about this movement that gives it merit is that it is a cultural movement BACK to the roots and traditions of the GOP. If it were really that radical and far off, then it would be no movement at all and you would be free to call Paul a third tier candidate, but at this time you cannot. Reagan won his first term by a landslide, and many of the older generation are able to draw simularities between Ron Paul and Ronald Reagan domestic policy(although what was said by Reagan and what was done are different things).

People like yourself, stooges is the term I use, are being held to task and you are not used to it. You can easily dismiss me, but you cannot dismiss the 40000 people who gave $100 on November 5. How much money do you think he will raise on December 16?

Did anyone else notice a change of tone in some of the candidates talk during the debate? I noticed more than a few candidates adopting Paul policy..

ledvedderman

Mestophar wrote:

The thing about this movement that gives it merit is that it is a cultural movement BACK to the roots and traditions of the GOP. If it were really that radical and far off, then it would be no movement at all and you would be free to call Paul a third tier candidate, but at this time you cannot. Reagan won his first term by a landslide, and many of the older generation are able to draw simularities between Ron Paul and Ronald Reagan domestic policy(although what was said by Reagan and what was done are different things).

People like yourself, stooges is the term I use, are being held to task and you are not used to it. You can easily dismiss me, but you cannot dismiss the 40000 people who gave $100 on November 5. How much money do you think he will raise on December 16?

Did anyone else notice a change of tone in some of the candidates talk during the debate? I noticed more than a few candidates adopting Paul policy..

You're calling me a stooge? You know what the problem with the Ron Paul supporters? It's the same thing that's wrong with the 9/11 Truthers. You're too pushy and you have it in your head that you've got it all figured out. What you are really doing is hurting your own cause because people view you as the lunatic fringe, and no one will look into Ron Paul because they assume that the only people who support him are nut jobs. Just like someone being serious in saying that the media used "cartoon planes" flying into the WTC to cover up the explosives planted in the building. You're hurting your own cause.

Politics and elections are my job, man. I study campaigns, I've worked on campaigns, and now work on the elections side of things. I'm not just blowing partisan mush up your crapper. You tell me how I'm being held to task? I've done my research and I know what candidate I'm supporting.

What you don't seem to understand is that at this point, what Dr. Paul is doing IS radical for a Republican. This isn't the Grand Old Party anymore. I would like to think that Dr. Paul's campaign could be the start of a movement back to the fundamentals of the Republican party, but it's not going to come to that point in 2008. There is no way that an anti-war Republican will get the nomination. No chance. He can raise all the money he wants (and I'm very excited as to what to expect from his Q4 fund raisings), but, December 16 leaves him 17 days before the Iowa primary and that's no where near enough time to make a move like what he needs to in Iowa. If he doesn't finish in the top three in Iowa then it's a lost cause.

Yoyoyo

ledvedderman wrote:

You're calling me a stooge? You know what the problem with the Ron Paul supporters? It's the same thing that's wrong with the 9/11 Truthers. You're too pushy and you have it in your head that you've got it all figured out. What you are really doing is hurting your own cause because people view you as the lunatic fringe, and no one will look into Ron Paul because they assume that the only people who support him are nut jobs. Just like someone being serious in saying that the media used "cartoon planes" flying into the WTC to cover up the explosives planted in the building. You're hurting your own cause.

Politics and elections are my job, man. I study campaigns, I've worked on campaigns, and now work on the elections side of things. I'm not just blowing partisan mush up your crapper. You tell me how I'm being held to task? I've done my research and I know what candidate I'm supporting.

What you don't seem to understand is that at this point, what Dr. Paul is doing IS radical for a Republican. This isn't the Grand Old Party anymore. I would like to think that Dr. Paul's campaign could be the start of a movement back to the fundamentals of the Republican party, but it's not going to come to that point in 2008. There is no way that an anti-war Republican will get the nomination. No chance. He can raise all the money he wants (and I'm very excited as to what to expect from his Q4 fund raisings), but, December 16 leaves him 17 days before the Iowa primary and that's no where near enough time to make a move like what he needs to in Iowa. If he doesn't finish in the top three in Iowa then it's a lost cause.

Go on and belittle Ron Paul supporters all you want, it just shows that you are scared of him and that the status quo losing its grip on power. 40 000 people donated to his campaign in a single day... With all the media coverage the other candidates get that type of figure should be a walk in the park.

Oh ya, were too pushy? Turn on the TV and tell me their isn't a set agenda that were supposed to support. Ron Paul supporters wouldn't need to be pushy if the MSM did their job and reported fairly on the events. Instead they ram their own message home, day in and day out...and then send stooges to post on forums because they realize they are losing touch with people. Nice try...

You worked on campaigns and now you work on the election side of things? You mean partisan stooges are allowed access to voting machines? Do you throw out boxes of Paul supporters registrations papers?

It isn't the GOP anymore your right, but the party IS being subverted by true conservatives and I think you will be surprised to see that the party still has a conservative base that would have no problem supporting Ron Paul.

floyd1975

Mestophar wrote:

Go on and belittle Ron Paul supporters all you want, it just shows that you are scared of him and that the status quo losing its grip on power. 40 000 people donated to his campaign in a single day... With all the media coverage the other candidates get that type of figure should be a walk in the park.

Oh ya, were too pushy? Turn on the TV and tell me their isn't a set agenda that were supposed to support. Ron Paul supporters wouldn't need to be pushy if the MSM did their job and reported fairly on the events. Instead they ram their own message home, day in and day out...and then send stooges to post on forums because they realize they are losing touch with people. Nice try...

You worked on campaigns and now you work on the election side of things? You mean partisan stooges are allowed access to voting machines? Do you throw out boxes of Paul supporters registrations papers?

It isn't the GOP anymore your right, but the party IS being subverted by true conservatives and I think you will be surprised to see that the party still has a conservative base that would have no problem supporting Ron Paul.

I would vote for Ron Paul if I didn't think that he may bring some of these supporters with him into the Office. I actually have stated on this board that I support him. I am now looking for another candidate who may support many of the causes that I believe in.

ledvedderman

Mestophar wrote:

Go on and belittle Ron Paul supporters all you want, it just shows that you are scared of him and that the status quo losing its grip on power. 40 000 people donated to his campaign in a single day... With all the media coverage the other candidates get that type of figure should be a walk in the park.

Oh ya, were too pushy? Turn on the TV and tell me their isn't a set agenda that were supposed to support. Ron Paul supporters wouldn't need to be pushy if the MSM did their job and reported fairly on the events. Instead they ram their own message home, day in and day out...and then send stooges to post on forums because they realize they are losing touch with people. Nice try...

You worked on campaigns and now you work on the election side of things? You mean partisan stooges are allowed access to voting machines? Do you throw out boxes of Paul supporters registrations papers?

It isn't the GOP anymore your right, but the party IS being subverted by true conservatives and I think you will be surprised to see that the party still has a conservative base that would have no problem supporting Ron Paul.

The only thing that worries me about Ron Paul is his supporters. I don't worry about him politically because I know he doesn't have a prayer in the world.

Yes, people who have worked on campaigns are allowed to work on elections---not to rig them like you think.