11-28 CNN\YouTube Republican Debate Tonight

DriftingByTheStorm

Just a public service announcement for youse folk.
Pay attention.
It will be a good one.

Also --
here is a CNN spot ... polling higher than Huckabee and Thompson in New Hampshire, huh?

ooh. what a long shot.

ledvedderman

DriftingByTheStorm wrote:

Just a public service announcement for youse folk.
Pay attention.
It will be a good one.

Also --
here is a CNN spot ... polling higher than Huckabee and Thompson in New Hampshire, huh?

ooh. what a long shot.

What does Ron Paul put in that Kool Aid? You want to know why he's polling higher than Huckabee and Thompson? NH is a very liberal state. There's a lot of R's there that in most other states would be Democrats. Of course he is polling higher than the far right candidates that are Thom and Huck. He may do okay in NH, but he will be grounded when it comes to South Carolina.

DriftingByTheStorm

ledvedderman wrote:

He may do okay in NH, but he will be grounded when it comes to South Carolina.

Not from what i saw. I was living in Charleston for 4 months earlier this year, and Ron Paul signs were RAMPANT. The Charleston Ron Paul HQ just officialy opened last week, with a visit and speech from Dr. Paul. The campaign staff there is (as acknowledged by Dr Paul himself) leading the nation in their approach to getting his name out in their state.

I may not expect Ron to take the state, but he certainly won't be at the bottom of those polls.

ledvedderman

What's great about Ron Paul is that his supporters are die hard. That's why there are signs. There has to be signs everywhere because no one knows who the hell he is.

For every 1 Ron Paul sign though there are 10 people who will blindly vote for Rudy because of his name recognition and the whole 9/11 thing. It's sad to say because if I were to vote in the Republican primary, it would be for Paul.

DriftingByTheStorm

ledvedderman wrote:

What's great about Ron Paul is that his supporters are die hard. That's why there are signs. There has to be signs everywhere because no one knows who the hell he is.

For every 1 Ron Paul sign though there are 10 people who will blindly vote for Rudy because of his name recognition and the whole 9/11 thing. It's sad to say because if I were to vote in the Republican primary, it would be for Paul.

I guess where i diverge from your view is with the 10 Giuliani supporters and their willingness to actualy go out and vote in the primaries.

Sure, they will vote for Giuliani in the generals aganist whomever the Democrats bring, but are they really so pumped and passionate about Giuliani that they are actualy going out to vote for him in the primaries? I just don't see it.

If anything, i see most people simply assuming that Giuliani will get the nomination, and therefore just sitting on their asses and waiting for it to happen.

Well low and behold, every Ron Paul supporter and their mom went out to vote for the man, and most of the "mainstream" candidates' "supporters" were just sitting at home, faithfuly waiting for their party diehards to pick a candidate.

Bottom line, i just don't see the republican base being too motivated to vote in primaries these days. I think if anything, you will see more of them just waiting for "their party" to pick someone for them.

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josevolution

will def watch this thanks for the heads up ...

ledvedderman

DriftingByTheStorm wrote:

I guess where i diverge from your view is with the 10 Giuliani supporters and their willingness to actualy go out and vote in the primaries.

Sure, they will vote for Giuliani in the generals aganist whomever the Democrats bring, but are they really so pumped and passionate about Giuliani that they are actualy going out to vote for him in the primaries? I just don't see it.

If anything, i see most people simply assuming that Giuliani will get the nomination, and therefore just sitting on their asses and waiting for it to happen.

Well low and behold, every Ron Paul supporter and their mom went out to vote for the man, and most of the "mainstream" candidates' "supporters" were just sitting at home, faithfuly waiting for their party diehards to pick a candidate.

Bottom line, i just don't see the republican base being too motivated to vote in primaries these days. I think if anything, you will see more of them just waiting for "their party" to pick someone for them.

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I think that theory works really well in less organized, smaller campaigns. I could see it even working on a US Congress race, but these are (supposed to be) the most organized campaigns and they will make sure that they get their support to the polls.

DriftingByTheStorm

ledvedderman wrote:

I think that theory works really well in less organized, smaller campaigns. I could see it even working on a US Congress race, but these are (supposed to be) the most organized campaigns and they will make sure that they get their support to the polls.

But the man can't even get his supporters to a RALLY.
Did you read that article that was posted here the other day? Ron Paul and Kucinich supporters overwhelmed the "few dozen" Guiliani supporters at a GIULIANI rally, that he was speaking at!

How can you possibly think the man is going to draw overwhelming support to a primary vote (which typicaly sees around a TEN percent turnout nationaly) when he can't get them off their ass to even come hear his message?

Only 10% of the country votes in a primary.
That right there should be enough to tell you that it is anyones game.

If one candidate gets a highly motivated base that IS willing to plunk down a vote in that primary, then we could actualy see Ron Paul supporters SPAM the polls!

(he pulls 11% in New Hampshire polls) ... 10% of NH voters vote, 90% of Ron Pauls 11% vote, does that mean Ron Paul wins NH with around 80-90% of the vote !?!

Just a thought.

BrotherPit

thanks. can't wait to watch tonight...ron paul is definitely getting his name out there and he's huge on the internet! it'll be interesting to see tonight

onelongsong

DriftingByTheStorm wrote:

Just a public service announcement for youse folk.
Pay attention.
It will be a good one.

Also --
here is a CNN spot ... polling higher than Huckabee and Thompson in New Hampshire, huh?

ooh. what a long shot.

i'm glad to hear he won't be running as an independent. we need the votes to keep the wrong people out of office.
on the other hand; i hope he wins the party nomination. the party will throw a lot of money and air time his way if he does. he really needs it.

ledvedderman

DriftingByTheStorm wrote:

But the man can't even get his supporters to a RALLY.
Did you read that article that was posted here the other day? Ron Paul and Kucinich supporters overwhelmed the "few dozen" Guiliani supporters at a GIULIANI rally, that he was speaking at!

How can you possibly think the man is going to draw overwhelming support to a primary vote (which typicaly sees around a TEN percent turnout nationaly) when he can't get them off their ass to even come hear his message?

Only 10% of the country votes in a primary.
That right there should be enough to tell you that it is anyones game.

If one candidate gets a highly motivated base that IS willing to plunk down a vote in that primary, then we could actualy see Ron Paul supporters SPAM the polls!

(he pulls 11% in New Hampshire polls) ... 10% of NH voters vote, 90% of Ron Pauls 11% vote, does that mean Ron Paul wins NH with around 80-90% of the vote !?!

Just a thought.

I'd love to see Paul cream everyone in the Republican primary. The way you posted it is how you would think it would go down, and in every election I do the same thing, because it's the logical thing---politics isn't logical.

onelongsong

DriftingByTheStorm wrote:

But the man can't even get his supporters to a RALLY.
Did you read that article that was posted here the other day? Ron Paul and Kucinich supporters overwhelmed the "few dozen" Guiliani supporters at a GIULIANI rally, that he was speaking at!

How can you possibly think the man is going to draw overwhelming support to a primary vote (which typicaly sees around a TEN percent turnout nationaly) when he can't get them off their ass to even come hear his message?

Only 10% of the country votes in a primary.
That right there should be enough to tell you that it is anyones game.

If one candidate gets a highly motivated base that IS willing to plunk down a vote in that primary, then we could actualy see Ron Paul supporters SPAM the polls!

(he pulls 11% in New Hampshire polls) ... 10% of NH voters vote, 90% of Ron Pauls 11% vote, does that mean Ron Paul wins NH with around 80-90% of the vote !?!

Just a thought.

cnn is now reporting that 83% believe ron paul will come out on top tonight. that alone should get him some attention.
if the bloody media gets a clue.

DriftingByTheStorm

ledvedderman wrote:

I'd love to see Paul cream everyone in the Republican primary. The way you posted it is how you would think it would go down, and in every election I do the same thing, because it's the logical thing---politics isn't logical.

I'm not saying its logical or probable, just that it is probable [lol edit- i mean, its POSSIBLE].

10% turn out is FACT.
I think we can both agree that more than a 10% proportion of Ron Paul supporters will be showing up for the primaries.

I doubt it will be a Ron Paul landslide, but the numbers point at Dr. Paul having much bigger numbers at the actual primaries than the polls are showing.

ledvedderman

DriftingByTheStorm wrote:

I'm not saying its logical or probable, just that it is probable.

10% turn out is FACT.
I think we can both agree that more than a 10% proportion of Ron Paul supporters will be showing up for the primaries.

I doubt it will be a Ron Paul landslide, but the numbers point at Dr. Paul having much bigger numbers at the actual primaries than the polls are showing.

I have no doubt that his numbers are higher, and I think he will be the surprise candidate. I could see him slipping past guys like Thompson and Rudy in some states for third, but I don't think he has enough time to move up to the upper tier of Republican candidates.

floyd1975

DriftingByTheStorm wrote:

But the man can't even get his supporters to a RALLY.
Did you read that article that was posted here the other day? Ron Paul and Kucinich supporters overwhelmed the "few dozen" Guiliani supporters at a GIULIANI rally, that he was speaking at!

How can you possibly think the man is going to draw overwhelming support to a primary vote (which typicaly sees around a TEN percent turnout nationaly) when he can't get them off their ass to even come hear his message?

Only 10% of the country votes in a primary.
That right there should be enough to tell you that it is anyones game.

If one candidate gets a highly motivated base that IS willing to plunk down a vote in that primary, then we could actualy see Ron Paul supporters SPAM the polls!

(he pulls 11% in New Hampshire polls) ... 10% of NH voters vote, 90% of Ron Pauls 11% vote, does that mean Ron Paul wins NH with around 80-90% of the vote !?!

Just a thought.

Which polls are these? Most polls are taken among likely voters within that primary. 90% of Ron Paul's 11% actually gives him about 10% of the vote. Still a very decent showing for Congressman Paul.

DriftingByTheStorm

Wow.
What a fair debate.
NOT.

do YOU believe in a conspiracy to make a new union?

Uh.

Yoyoyo

ledvedderman wrote:

I have no doubt that his numbers are higher, and I think he will be the surprise candidate. I could see him slipping past guys like Thompson and Rudy in some states for third, but I don't think he has enough time to move up to the upper tier of Republican candidates.

What makes them the upper tier? The media and pollsters do, and what reason do you have to trust what they say? What percentage of Ron Paul supporters are going to vote in the primary? I would bet 95%+, you can't say that about any other candidate. Even if Rudy begged people to go to the polls there is a huge amount of distrust and resent for government and the system in place and it shows by ~50% of people voting in the general election.

Yoyoyo

Wow, the airtime was not fair at all. No wonder people get so delusional about the process. Even after Paul has demonstrated he has a good amount of support, they still ignore him and do not pose him a fair amount of questions.

RolandTD20Kdrummer

The gay general asks a question... Ironically probably all he really wants is a little cohesion on his unit Romney got boo'd lol...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8-wJkrEnmtg&

Yoyoyo

Romney responded to 12 questions.
Rudy 11.
Fred 10.
McCaine 10.
Huckleberry 8.
Hunter 7.
Paul 6.
Credo 5.

DriftingByTheStorm

Mestophar wrote:

Romney responded to 12 questions.
Rudy 11.
Fred 10.
McCaine 10.
Huckleberry 8.
Hunter 7.
Paul 6.
Credo 5.

So thats fair, right?