Why would organizations put something that causes brain damage into our water?
Because someone like you once asked "why shouldn't we put something that prevents cavities in our water"? And by "we" they meant I and by "our" they meant my. Problem was that the very silly way your town decided to run it's water system made "I" and "we" and "our" and "my" synonymous.
Because someone like you once asked "why shouldn't we put something that prevents cavities in our water"? And by "we" they meant I and by "our" they meant my. Problem was that the very silly way your town decided to run it's water system made "I" and "we" and "our" and "my" synonymous.
Sounds like you know a lot about the fluoride problem.
That's like saying "I have no choice if my Miller Lite has alcohol in it" or like saying "I have no choice is my Twinkies have chemicals in them" and then pretending you have an inherent right to dictate the content of those things.
You're being offered a service. If you don't want it, don't use it.
So the customer has no say? That's bullshit in the face of limited alternatives.
Sounds like you know a lot about the fluoride problem.
This isn't a "fluoride problem". It's a resource distribution problem. Distribute the resources correctly and you provide everyone a choice. Distribute them foolishly and you put parts of the population at the mercy of others.
Now, in terms of "brain damage", you'll find that the fluoride content of most municipal water systems poses no risk to the brain, based on what we know today. Suggesting that your city's water is causing you brain damage is like suggesting the aspirin you took yesterday will put you into a coma.
This isn't a "fluoride problem". It's a resource distribution problem. Distribute the resources correctly and you provide everyone a choice. Distribute them foolishly and you put parts of the population at the mercy of others.
Now, in terms of "brain damage", you'll find that the fluoride content of most municipal water systems poses no risk to the brain, based on what we know today. Suggesting that your city's water is causing you brain damage is like suggesting the aspirin you took yesterday will put you into a coma.
Okay..... :(
Drinking water frequently would have no different outcome?
Do you think it's realistic for everyone to dig a well? What realistic options are out there and doable for everyone?
I don't think it's realistic for everyone to dig a well. It may be highly realistic for DBTS to do this, however (or not). More importantly, it probably is highly realistic for DBTS to consume filtered or bottled water.
So the customer has no say? That's bullshit in the face of limited alternatives.
"Customers" often have a lot of say. This is evidenced in fluoridated water, something customers in large quantity wanted. The key is in "limited alternatives". One might consider asking why there are "limited alternatives", vis a vis municipal water supplies.
More than they'll give, apparently.
Absolutely! That's what absolute- or near-monopolies tend to do.
Okay..... :(
Drinking water frequently would have no different outcome?
Probably, if by "frequently", you mean a few hundred gallons of flouridated water per day. The known and accepted adverse effects of fluoride consumption happen from exposure to very high levels of fluoride, something you won't find in a typical municipal water supply.
I don't think it's realistic for everyone to dig a well. It may be highly realistic for DBTS to do this, however (or not). More importantly, it probably is highly realistic for DBTS to consume filtered or bottled water.
First off, I asked earlier if flouride is even taken out by filters. Do you know? It wouldn't be too realistic to bathe, among other things, with bottled water. Not to mention all the waste produced by the containers if you bought prepackaged.
"Customers" often have a lot of say. This is evidenced in fluoridated water, something customers in large quantity wanted. The key is in "limited alternatives". One might consider asking why there are "limited alternatives", vis a vis municipal water supplies.
Okay but it still doesn't change the situation.
If you want to tell people the truth, make them laugh, otherwise they'll kill you.
Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth.
-Oscar Wilde
First off, I asked earlier if flouride is even taken out by filters. Do you know?
Absolutely, but not typical water filters (Brita, etc). Special filters are available for fluoride. Not terribly cheap (~$100 / year, based on usage), but certainly usable.
It wouldn't be too realistic to bathe, among other things, with bottled water. Not to mention all the waste produced by the containers if you bought prepackaged.
For whatever scant evidence there is that consuming fluoridated water is bad for you, even less exists for bathing in it. And one need not waste in terms of bottled water. Simply reuse your containers.
Okay but it still doesn't change the situation.
It points to the mistakes made, which in turn points to some solutions. Municipalities should relinquish their monopolies on water distribution and seek ways to promote competition in the water distribution market. For this and many other reasons.
And Know1, just because I can choose not to use the water i pay for, does it mean that most Americans should unwittingly be duped in to consuming something that may or may not be of detriment to their health, and certainly something that has perceived benefits that are seemingly now in serious question.
Hell, they could put cyanide in the water and you could use your silly argument, which is "don't drink" it, but come one.
SHOULD they be doing it?
???
Americans aren't being "unwittingly duped". If they do not know about it in their ignorance (or my ignorance) then that is their problem.
I've been drinking copious amounts of tapwater most of my life (I don't like the bottled or purified water and I do not drink softdrinks, coffee, tea, etc.) and if it's been a detriment to my health then I sure wouldn't know it.
The only people we should try to get even with...
...are those who've helped us.
Right 'round the corner could be bigger than ourselves.
Absolutely, but not typical water filters (Brita, etc). Special filters are available for fluoride. Not terribly cheap (~$100 / year, based on usage), but certainly usable.
For whatever scant evidence there is that consuming fluoridated water is bad for you, even less exists for bathing in it. And one need not waste in terms of bottled water. Simply reuse your containers.
I really didn't get into this thread to debate fluoride. I've read some things that make me skeptical of my need for it and if it's as safe as is claimed. And if only people were already using the reusable containers. Sadly, most don't
It points to the mistakes made, which in turn points to some solutions. Municipalities should relinquish their monopolies on water distribution and seek ways to promote competition in the water distribution market. For this and many other reasons.
Yes, it would be nice to have more options.
If you want to tell people the truth, make them laugh, otherwise they'll kill you.
Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth.
-Oscar Wilde
General Jack D. Ripper: Mandrake, do you realize that in addition to fluoridating water, why, there are studies underway to fluoridate salt, flour, fruit juices, soup, sugar, milk... ice cream. Ice cream, Mandrake, children's ice cream.
Group Capt. Lionel Mandrake: Lord, Jack.
General Jack D. Ripper: You know when fluoridation first began?
Group Capt. Lionel Mandrake: I... no, no. I don't, Jack.
General Jack D. Ripper: Nineteen hundred and forty-six. Nineteen forty-six, Mandrake. How does that coincide with your post-war Commie conspiracy, huh? It's incredibly obvious, isn't it? A foreign substance is introduced into our precious bodily fluids without the knowledge of the individual. Certainly without any choice. That's the way your hard-core Commie works.
Group Capt. Lionel Mandrake: Uh, Jack, Jack, listen, tell me, tell me, Jack. When did you first... become... well, develop this theory?
General Jack D. Ripper: Well, I, uh... I... I... first became aware of it, Mandrake, during the physical act of love.
Group Capt. Lionel Mandrake: Hmm.
General Jack D. Ripper: Yes, a uh, a profound sense of fatigue... a feeling of emptiness followed. Luckily I... I was able to interpret these feelings correctly. Loss of essence.
Group Capt. Lionel Mandrake: Hmm.
General Jack D. Ripper: I can assure you it has not recurred, Mandrake. Women uh... women sense my power and they seek the life essence. I, uh... I do not avoid women, Mandrake.
Group Capt. Lionel Mandrake: No.
General Jack D. Ripper: But I... I do deny them my essence.
Group Capt. Lionel Mandrake: Uh, Jack, Jack, listen, tell me, tell me, Jack. When did you first... become... well, develop this theory?
General Jack D. Ripper: Well, I, uh... I... I... first became aware of it, Mandrake, during the physical act of love.
Group Capt. Lionel Mandrake: Hmm.
General Jack D. Ripper: Yes, a uh, a profound sense of fatigue... a feeling of emptiness followed. Luckily I... I was able to interpret these feelings correctly. Loss of essence.
Group Capt. Lionel Mandrake: Hmm.
General Jack D. Ripper: I can assure you it has not recurred, Mandrake. Women uh... women sense my power and they seek the life essence. I, uh... I do not avoid women, Mandrake.
Group Capt. Lionel Mandrake: No.
General Jack D. Ripper: But I... I do deny them my essence.
Thank you for the laugh.
You know, i never did understand what the hell that bit about fluoride was about in Strangelove ...
... now it all makes sesne.
If I was to smile and I held out my hand
If I opened it now would you not understand?
She is talking about her and Kabong's conversations and Kabong using semantics. Nothing to do with you at all.
except i don't argue semantics
let's say we are conversing and i say 'flywallyfly does this all the time' or that you 'always do it' when the reality is you only do it once in a while to not very often...is saying 'no, i don't do that all the time, i rarely do it at all!' really arguing semantics?
standin above the crowd
he had a voice that was strong and loud and
i swallowed his facade cos i'm so
eager to identify with
someone above the crowd
someone who seemed to feel the same
someone prepared to lead the way
Everyday i proudly don my perfectly sized tinfoil hat, practice my sheep sounds (bahhhhh, bahhhhhh) and use water straight from the tap to make kool-aid.
:rolleyes:
"When all your friends and sedatives mean well but make it worse... better find yourself a place to level out."
Bottled water is also bad because of toxics from the plastic..
bottled water is a disaster environmentally. I drink from the tap. The cities around boston have famously good tap water. When I lived in Maine there was absurd amounts of chlorine in the water- I used a britta. Same when I lived in NC- the water left pink rings on everything (the flouride maybe? I dunno). I used a britta. I don't mind brushing with it and stuff though. As someone said it could be so much worse like many people in the world who have no water at all.
I'm not saying its a conspiracy.
I'm asking a question.
If SO much modern science brings in to question the effectivenes of fluoride as a tooth-decay preventative, and so much other science indicates it is toxic, and the only question is how toxic, WHY are we still using it?
In fact, just the notion that it has taken a serious hit with respect to questions of its effectiveness as a preventative should be enough to have it pulled from the water supply.
If it costs money, and its not doing anything, why are we using it ???
Just curious.
well, unfortunatley whatever town you live in gets to vote on whether or not to have fluoride in the water, i'm against it, because it costs alot of money for something that isnt necessary..
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...i know all the rules but the rules do not know me, guaranteed...
they are trying to do this in a town near me, which sucks because the tap water here on the cape is excellent, i feel bad for the taxpayers who have to take on this cost.
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Because someone like you once asked "why shouldn't we put something that prevents cavities in our water"? And by "we" they meant I and by "our" they meant my. Problem was that the very silly way your town decided to run it's water system made "I" and "we" and "our" and "my" synonymous.
Do you think it's realistic for everyone to dig a well? What realistic options are out there and doable for everyone?
So the customer has no say? That's bullshit in the face of limited alternatives.
I didn't claim you were.
More than they'll give, apparently.
Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth.
-Oscar Wilde
This isn't a "fluoride problem". It's a resource distribution problem. Distribute the resources correctly and you provide everyone a choice. Distribute them foolishly and you put parts of the population at the mercy of others.
Now, in terms of "brain damage", you'll find that the fluoride content of most municipal water systems poses no risk to the brain, based on what we know today. Suggesting that your city's water is causing you brain damage is like suggesting the aspirin you took yesterday will put you into a coma.
Drinking water frequently would have no different outcome?
I don't think it's realistic for everyone to dig a well. It may be highly realistic for DBTS to do this, however (or not). More importantly, it probably is highly realistic for DBTS to consume filtered or bottled water.
"Customers" often have a lot of say. This is evidenced in fluoridated water, something customers in large quantity wanted. The key is in "limited alternatives". One might consider asking why there are "limited alternatives", vis a vis municipal water supplies.
Absolutely! That's what absolute- or near-monopolies tend to do.
Probably, if by "frequently", you mean a few hundred gallons of flouridated water per day. The known and accepted adverse effects of fluoride consumption happen from exposure to very high levels of fluoride, something you won't find in a typical municipal water supply.
First off, I asked earlier if flouride is even taken out by filters. Do you know? It wouldn't be too realistic to bathe, among other things, with bottled water. Not to mention all the waste produced by the containers if you bought prepackaged.
Okay but it still doesn't change the situation.
Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth.
-Oscar Wilde
Absolutely, but not typical water filters (Brita, etc). Special filters are available for fluoride. Not terribly cheap (~$100 / year, based on usage), but certainly usable.
For whatever scant evidence there is that consuming fluoridated water is bad for you, even less exists for bathing in it. And one need not waste in terms of bottled water. Simply reuse your containers.
It points to the mistakes made, which in turn points to some solutions. Municipalities should relinquish their monopolies on water distribution and seek ways to promote competition in the water distribution market. For this and many other reasons.
Americans aren't being "unwittingly duped". If they do not know about it in their ignorance (or my ignorance) then that is their problem.
I've been drinking copious amounts of tapwater most of my life (I don't like the bottled or purified water and I do not drink softdrinks, coffee, tea, etc.) and if it's been a detriment to my health then I sure wouldn't know it.
...are those who've helped us.
Right 'round the corner could be bigger than ourselves.
That's good to know. Thanks.
I really didn't get into this thread to debate fluoride. I've read some things that make me skeptical of my need for it and if it's as safe as is claimed. And if only people were already using the reusable containers. Sadly, most don't
Yes, it would be nice to have more options.
Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth.
-Oscar Wilde
- Gen. Ripper
that Stanley Kubrick was a prophet. THEY'RE GONNA STEAL OUR PRECIOUS BODILY FLUIDS!!!!@!@!!!11111
Group Capt. Lionel Mandrake: Lord, Jack.
General Jack D. Ripper: You know when fluoridation first began?
Group Capt. Lionel Mandrake: I... no, no. I don't, Jack.
General Jack D. Ripper: Nineteen hundred and forty-six. Nineteen forty-six, Mandrake. How does that coincide with your post-war Commie conspiracy, huh? It's incredibly obvious, isn't it? A foreign substance is introduced into our precious bodily fluids without the knowledge of the individual. Certainly without any choice. That's the way your hard-core Commie works.
General Jack D. Ripper: Well, I, uh... I... I... first became aware of it, Mandrake, during the physical act of love.
Group Capt. Lionel Mandrake: Hmm.
General Jack D. Ripper: Yes, a uh, a profound sense of fatigue... a feeling of emptiness followed. Luckily I... I was able to interpret these feelings correctly. Loss of essence.
Group Capt. Lionel Mandrake: Hmm.
General Jack D. Ripper: I can assure you it has not recurred, Mandrake. Women uh... women sense my power and they seek the life essence. I, uh... I do not avoid women, Mandrake.
Group Capt. Lionel Mandrake: No.
General Jack D. Ripper: But I... I do deny them my essence.
Thank you for the laugh.
You know, i never did understand what the hell that bit about fluoride was about in Strangelove ...
... now it all makes sesne.
If I opened it now would you not understand?
except i don't argue semantics
let's say we are conversing and i say 'flywallyfly does this all the time' or that you 'always do it' when the reality is you only do it once in a while to not very often...is saying 'no, i don't do that all the time, i rarely do it at all!' really arguing semantics?
he had a voice that was strong and loud and
i swallowed his facade cos i'm so
eager to identify with
someone above the crowd
someone who seemed to feel the same
someone prepared to lead the way
It depends on what the definition of "is" is.
If I opened it now would you not understand?
:rolleyes:
bottled water is a disaster environmentally. I drink from the tap. The cities around boston have famously good tap water. When I lived in Maine there was absurd amounts of chlorine in the water- I used a britta. Same when I lived in NC- the water left pink rings on everything (the flouride maybe? I dunno). I used a britta. I don't mind brushing with it and stuff though. As someone said it could be so much worse like many people in the world who have no water at all.
...i know all the rules but the rules do not know me, guaranteed...
...i know all the rules but the rules do not know me, guaranteed...