Why Are We Forced To Consume Fluoride In Municipal Tap Water?

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  • Keiran
    Keiran Posts: 393
    DriftingByTheStorm wrote:
    I can't believe it.
    From you of all people, FFG.

    :rolleyes:


    What's FFG????
    I wish a guy like Eddie, would like me.
  • DriftingByTheStorm
    DriftingByTheStorm Posts: 8,684
    farfromglorified wrote:
    DBTS, are you against chlorine as an additive to public water sources as well?

    I'm not talking to you anymore, FFG.
    I have to go to work.
    :rolleyes:

    :p
    If I was to smile and I held out my hand
    If I opened it now would you not understand?
  • farfromglorified
    farfromglorified Posts: 5,700
    DriftingByTheStorm wrote:
    I'm not talking to you anymore, FFG.
    I have to go to work.
    :rolleyes:

    :p

    I can't believe it.
    From you of all people, DBTS.

    :rolleyes:
  • Abookamongstthemany
    Abookamongstthemany Posts: 8,209
    farfromglorified wrote:
    What is the "solid point" that I am ignoring here?

    I wasn't talking about you ignoring anything. I was referring to how it reminded me of things kabong has said to me and how I would reply back about him nitpicking semantics. It struck me as funny because I understand the frustration. I said he should reword it. And did I mention you ignoring anything?
    If you want to tell people the truth, make them laugh, otherwise they'll kill you.

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  • farfromglorified
    farfromglorified Posts: 5,700
    Abookamongstthemany wrote:
    I wasn't talking about you ignoring anything. I was referring to how it reminded me of things kabong has said to me and how I would reply back about him nitpicking semantics. It struck me as funny because I understand the frustration. I said he should reword it. And did I mention you ignoring anything?

    You said "Holy shit, that sounds like me and Kabong's arguments! It drives me up a wall when he ignores my solid point to nitpick semantics." That would imply that I'm ignoring a "solid point" here to "nitpick semantics". Are you saying that I am ignoring a solid point here, or not?
  • DriftingByTheStorm
    DriftingByTheStorm Posts: 8,684
    farfromglorified wrote:
    I can't believe it.
    From you of all people, DBTS.

    :rolleyes:

    love you too.
    off to work.
    see ya soon, if i'm not banned.

    :rolleyes:
    If I was to smile and I held out my hand
    If I opened it now would you not understand?
  • farfromglorified
    farfromglorified Posts: 5,700
    DriftingByTheStorm wrote:
    love you too.

    Likewise.
    off to work.

    Dentistry?
    see ya soon, if i'm not banned.

    I think you'll be ok.

    :P
  • Abookamongstthemany
    Abookamongstthemany Posts: 8,209
    farfromglorified wrote:
    You said "Holy shit, that sounds like me and Kabong's arguments! It drives me up a wall when he ignores my solid point to nitpick semantics." That would imply that I'm ignoring a "solid point" here to "nitpick semantics". Are you saying that I am ignoring a solid point here, or not?

    The semantics comment reminded me of something I'd say. Kabong knows what I'm getting at and will still argue semantics. I don't know if you knew what DBTS was getting at. Maybe you think he believes someone is sitting outside his house, in a tree, with a sniper rifle making sure he drinks his tap water everyday. I personally doubt he does and I knew what he was getting at. Like I said, it could have been worded better. When I mentioned what I did in that post I wasn't even thinking about the replies here...just amused with the similar frustration.
    If you want to tell people the truth, make them laugh, otherwise they'll kill you.

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  • soulsinging
    soulsinging Posts: 13,202
    Abookamongstthemany wrote:
    Maybe you think he believes someone is sitting outside his house, in a tree, with a sniper rifle making sure he drinks his tap water everyday. I personally doubt he does

    i wouldn't be so sure.
  • Abookamongstthemany
    Abookamongstthemany Posts: 8,209
    soulsinging wrote:
    i wouldn't be so sure.

    I knew you were going to chime in at that. :D
    If you want to tell people the truth, make them laugh, otherwise they'll kill you.

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  • farfromglorified
    farfromglorified Posts: 5,700
    Abookamongstthemany wrote:
    The semantics comment reminded me of something I'd say. Kabong knows what I'm getting at and will still argue semantics. I don't know if you knew what DBTS was getting at. Maybe you think he believes someone is sitting outside his house, in a tree, with a sniper rifle making sure he drinks his tap water everyday. I personally doubt he does and I knew what he was getting at. Like I said, it could have been worded better. When I mentioned what I did in that post I wasn't even thinking about the replies here...just amused with the similar frustration.

    Fair enough, though you could have actually answered my question.

    I think what DBTS was getting at is that Fluoride is dangerous. Unfortunately, the logic DBTS was going to use to get rid of it is the same logic that put it there in the first place.
  • Abookamongstthemany
    Abookamongstthemany Posts: 8,209
    farfromglorified wrote:
    Fair enough, though you could have actually answered my question.

    I think what DBTS was getting at is that Fluoride is dangerous. Unfortunately, the logic DBTS was going to use to get rid of it is the same logic that put it there in the first place.


    Didn't I? You seem to be defending yourself against a claim I never made. What I said had no bearing on you.

    I will say that I think you did know that DBTS didn't mean he was literally 'forced' but rather not given the option of having flouride in his tap water or not. Am I wrong?
    If you want to tell people the truth, make them laugh, otherwise they'll kill you.

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  • farfromglorified
    farfromglorified Posts: 5,700
    Abookamongstthemany wrote:
    Didn't I?

    My question was: Are you saying that I am ignoring a solid point here, or not?

    You didn't answer that question.
    You seem to be defending yourself against a claim I never made. What I said had no bearing on you.

    What you said was partly about me, so I think it certainly does have a bearing on me.
    I will say that I think you did know that DBTS didn't mean he was literally 'forced' but rather not given the option of having flouride in his tap water or not. Am I wrong?

    That is wrong. DBTS, in the title of his thread, claimed to be forced to consume this water. In his follow-up post he does make a clarification that states that he is forced to have flouride in his chosen water. However, this clarification makes little sense.
  • flywallyfly
    flywallyfly Posts: 1,453
    farfromglorified wrote:
    Fair enough, though you could have actually answered my question.

    I think what DBTS was getting at is that Fluoride is dangerous. Unfortunately, the logic DBTS was going to use to get rid of it is the same logic that put it there in the first place.

    She is talking about her and Kabong's conversations and Kabong using semantics. Nothing to do with you at all.
  • Abookamongstthemany
    Abookamongstthemany Posts: 8,209
    farfromglorified wrote:
    My question was: Are you saying that I am ignoring a solid point here, or not?

    You didn't answer that question.

    Yes, I did. I said I wasn't referring to you when I said that. So no, I wasn't saying you were ignoring a solid point here.

    farfromglorified wrote:
    What you said was partly about me, so I think it certainly does have a bearing on me.

    What I said was about me.

    farfromglorified wrote:
    That is wrong. DBTS, in the title of his thread, claimed to be forced to consume this water. In his follow-up post he does make a clarification that states that he is forced to have flouride in his chosen water. However, this clarification makes little sense.

    His point was he has no choice if the tap water has flouride or not. Did you not see that he was saying that however misworded the post may have been?
    If you want to tell people the truth, make them laugh, otherwise they'll kill you.

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  • farfromglorified
    farfromglorified Posts: 5,700
    Abookamongstthemany wrote:
    Yes, I did. I said I wasn't referring to you when I said that. So no, I wasn't saying you were ignoring a solid point here.

    Ahhh, I understand now. Thanks for the extra clarification. I was thinking you meant your and Kabong's arguments with me, as opposed to your arguments with each other.
    His point was he has no choice if the tap water has flouride or not.

    Of course he does. He can filter it. He can get a well. He has a ton of choices regarding his tap water.
    Did you not see that he was saying that however misworded the post may have been?

    When someone claims to be "forced to consume fluoride", I tend to think they are claiming that they are forced to consume flouride.
  • Abookamongstthemany
    Abookamongstthemany Posts: 8,209
    farfromglorified wrote:
    Ahhh, I understand now. Thanks for the extra clarification. I was thinking you meant your and Kabong's arguments with me, as opposed to your arguments with each other.

    You're welcome.

    farfromglorified wrote:
    Of course he does. He can filter it. He can get a well. He has a ton of choices regarding his tap water.

    Semantics...I just love em!!

    Ok...he doesn't have a choice of whether or not flouride is put in his tap water.

    farfromglorified wrote:
    When someone claims to be "forced to consume fluoride", I tend to think they are claiming that they are forced to consume flouride.

    So you've never been in an experience where someone misworded what they were saying to you but you still knew what they were getting at despite it?
    If you want to tell people the truth, make them laugh, otherwise they'll kill you.

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  • farfromglorified
    farfromglorified Posts: 5,700
    Abookamongstthemany wrote:
    Ok...he doesn't have a choice of whether or not flouride is put in his tap water.

    His tap water? What makes it his?
    So you've never been in an experience where someone misworded what they were saying to you but you still knew what they were getting at despite it?

    I have been in that situation, on both sides. I'm still trying to determine what DBTS is saying here. If he's saying that fluoridated water is dangerous, I don't really agree, but I certainly support his right not to consume it.
  • Abookamongstthemany
    Abookamongstthemany Posts: 8,209
    farfromglorified wrote:
    His tap water? What makes it his?

    Grrr...shut up! :D Christ, why do I do this?

    The tap water that comes into his home then. And yes, I know he has to turn on the faucet and he pays for the usage of the water. But he has no choice if that water has flouride in it. And how realistic would it be to not use the water? How would you bathe or wash dishes?

    farfromglorified wrote:
    I have been in that situation, on both sides. I'm still trying to determine what DBTS is saying here. If he's saying that fluoridated water is dangerous, I don't really agree, but I certainly support his right not to consume it.

    Yes, I think he's arguing that it shouldn't be in the water and that they put it in there without offering a choice in the matter.
    If you want to tell people the truth, make them laugh, otherwise they'll kill you.

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  • farfromglorified
    farfromglorified Posts: 5,700
    Abookamongstthemany wrote:
    The tap water that comes into his home then.

    Ok. Since municipal sources are only one possible source for "tap water that comes into his home", how is he forced to consume that water?
    And yes, I know he has to turn on the faucet and he pays for the usage of the water. But he has no choice if that water has flouride in it.

    That's like saying "I have no choice if my Miller Lite has alcohol in it" or like saying "I have no choice is my Twinkies have chemicals in them" and then pretending you have an inherent right to dictate the content of those things.

    You're being offered a service. If you don't want it, don't use it.
    And how realistic would it be to not use the water? How would you bathe or wash dishes?

    It's completely unrealistic to not use water, unless you want to die. However, I'm not suggesting that anyone not use water.
    Yes, I think he's arguing that it shouldn't be in the water and that they put it in there without offering a choice in the matter.

    Why would you expect to get choice from organizations that don't need your approval to get something of value out of you?

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