honestly though man, when's the last time you heard anything about infrastructure in a campaign speech?
I don't think trace flouride levels are cancerous or dentists would have spoken up by now or at least had some serious problems, but even then, as long as it's sanitary and water comes out, people don't give a crap about infrastructure.
Cancer simply being cell change I have no doubt if exposed to High levels for long periods something bad could happen. But I doubt seriously that the PPB Flouride found in most public water is to be feared greatly.
My Girlfriend said to me..."How many guitars do you need?" and I replied...."How many pairs of shoes do you need?" She got really quiet.
Do they take out the flouride? We just get our water jugs refilled at the market. I have a hard time trusting anything that smells that bad even if it's gone through a filter.
I'm not sure, I'll have to find that out. I'm not sure how small the ions are.
I'll look it up.
Looks like RO or Reverse Osmosis (straining the water over a charged membrane is the most effective way to remove the flouride) if you also add a carbon microfilter it will help get rid of the chlorine and and giardia and the other nastys. Some filters you can buy also have viral guards but that's not necessary for tap water.
RO is your best option for Flouride Removal I think
I'm not sure how great this unit is but here's what an RO system under counter would look like.
Who is "forcing" you to drink municipal tap water? Are there laws in your area forbidding you to drink water that does not come from the town's water supply?
Who is "forcing" you to drink municipal tap water? Are there laws in your area forbidding you to drink water that does not come from the town's water supply?
Give me a fucking break.
My OP CLEARLY says "why are we forced to consume fluoride IN municipal tap water".
in other words, if we choose to drink the water which we assume is safe and comes to our house -- honestly, isn't that the most likely supply for most of us -- why are we FORCED in to having fluoride in that?
What the fuck is wrong with you people.
Again, what if it was cyanide?
Would that change the argument?
or is it still, "Hey no one has a gun to your head making you drink out of the tap."
Give me a fucking break.
If none of you has the balls enough to step up and say, "Hey assuming any of this about fluoride is true." (which i still don't know! is it?) "Assuming that, why the fuck is the government still putting it in the water!??!"
Thats all i'm fucking asking.
And you semantic wankers are playing semantic wanker games with me.
Get the fuck on with it, and quit playing semantics, for fucks sake.
You people have nothing better to do than turn respectable questions around and make a mockery out of them just because you find linguistic fault in the argument.
I fucking hope kat bans me for this.
I realy fucking hope so.
Cause you people piss me off so bad,
i need a fucking break.
I can't believe it.
From you of all people, FFG.
:rolleyes:
If I was to smile and I held out my hand
If I opened it now would you not understand?
Looks like RO or Reverse Osmosis (straining the water over a charged membrane is the most effective way to remove the flouride) if you also add a carbon microfilter it will help get rid of the chlorine and and giardia and the other nastys. Some filters you can buy also have viral guards but that's not necessary for tap water.
Not to get too far off topic but one thing you should remember if you are taking steps to remove the chlorine from your water is if you want to drink it you have to keep it really cold. The main purpose of chlorine is to kill bacteria and if you have warm drinking water (like say a jug sitting on your counter at room temperatuer) it is basically a pool for bacteria to grow in.
I'd be happier with Ozonation rather than cholorination as a means of cleaning the drinking water.
The only think about ozone (and I learned this when I used to work at a swimming pool) is that it only kills bacteria and other crap at the filter point when it gets zapped with the ozone. Once the water is sent to the pipes it is no longer protected unless it is exposed to ozone again. This is why ozone swimming pools still use a small amount of chlorine since the only pure water is the stuff that just comes out of the filter, only chlorine can kill the bacteria that is in the pool.
Give me a fucking break.
My OP CLEARLY says "why are we forced to consume fluoride IN municipal tap water".
I don't understand. Who is forcing you to consume this?
in other words, if we choose to drink the water which we assume is safe and comes to our house
Why would you ever assume that?
honestly, isn't that the most likely supply for most of us -- why are we FORCED in to having fluoride in that?
This makes no sense. It's like asking "why am I FORCED at the supermarket to buy 6 Twinkies in a box instead of just one Twinkie from the box?"
What the fuck is wrong with you people.
Too much flouride, I guess.
Again, what if it was cyanide?
Would that change the argument?
Not really. Most tap water contains levels of arsenic, too.
or is it still, "Hey no one has a gun to your head making you drink out of the tap."
Yes.
If none of you has the balls enough to step up and say, "Hey assuming any of this about fluoride is true." (which i still don't know! is it?) "Assuming that, why the fuck is the government still putting it in the water!??!"
Thats all i'm fucking asking.
And you semantic wankers are playing semantic wanker games with me.
Get the fuck on with it, and quit playing semantics, for fucks sake.
You people have nothing better to do than turn respectable questions around and make a mockery out of them just because you find linguistic fault in the argument.
I fucking hope kat bans me for this.
I realy fucking hope so.
Cause you people piss me off so bad,
i need a fucking break.
I can't believe it.
From you of all people, FFG.
:rolleyes:
Yikes. Dude, I've never seen a shred of evidence that flouride, at the levels found in tap water, is highly toxic. I've seen plenty of speculation that may, one day, prove to be true. But the reason you don't see outrage is because the proven benefits of flouride outweight the speculative harm.
Now, if you want to suggest that you shouldn't be forced to subsidize municipal drinking water sources in the event that you don't use them, I'm completely on board with you. But to suggest you're "forced" to drink that water when no such force exists is silly.
Give me a fucking break.
My OP CLEARLY says "why are we forced to consume fluoride IN municipal tap water".
in other words, if we choose to drink the water which we assume is safe and comes to our house -- honestly, isn't that the most likely supply for most of us -- why are we FORCED in to having fluoride in that?
What the fuck is wrong with you people.
Again, what if it was cyanide?
Would that change the argument?
or is it still, "Hey no one has a gun to your head making you drink out of the tap."
Give me a fucking break.
If none of you has the balls enough to step up and say, "Hey assuming any of this about fluoride is true." (which i still don't know! is it?) "Assuming that, why the fuck is the government still putting it in the water!??!"
Thats all i'm fucking asking.
And you semantic wankers are playing semantic wanker games with me.
Get the fuck on with it, and quit playing semantics, for fucks sake.
You people have nothing better to do than turn respectable questions around and make a mockery out of them just because you find linguistic fault in the argument.
I fucking hope kat bans me for this.
I realy fucking hope so.
Cause you people piss me off so bad,
i need a fucking break.
I can't believe it.
From you of all people, FFG.
:rolleyes:
Holy shit, that sounds like me and Kabong's arguments! It drives me up a wall when he ignores my solid point to nitpick semantics. Just calm down and reword your concerns (which you have already done), they're legitimate. Don't let it get to ya so much.
If you want to tell people the truth, make them laugh, otherwise they'll kill you.
Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth.
-Oscar Wilde
Not to get too far off topic but one thing you should remember if you are taking steps to remove the chlorine from your water is if you want to drink it you have to keep it really cold. The main purpose of chlorine is to kill bacteria and if you have warm drinking water (like say a jug sitting on your counter at room temperatuer) it is basically a pool for bacteria to grow in.
The only think about ozone (and I learned this when I used to work at a swimming pool) is that it only kills bacteria and other crap at the filter point when it gets zapped with the ozone. Once the water is sent to the pipes it is no longer protected unless it is exposed to ozone again. This is why ozone swimming pools still use a small amount of chlorine since the only pure water is the stuff that just comes out of the filter, only chlorine can kill the bacteria that is in the pool.
makes sense, I've noticed Bromine becoming more popular as well. I guess that's where the salt water pool with the small amounts of choloride are introduced.
My Girlfriend said to me..."How many guitars do you need?" and I replied...."How many pairs of shoes do you need?" She got really quiet.
What is the "solid point" that I am ignoring here?
I wasn't talking about you ignoring anything. I was referring to how it reminded me of things kabong has said to me and how I would reply back about him nitpicking semantics. It struck me as funny because I understand the frustration. I said he should reword it. And did I mention you ignoring anything?
If you want to tell people the truth, make them laugh, otherwise they'll kill you.
Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth.
-Oscar Wilde
I wasn't talking about you ignoring anything. I was referring to how it reminded me of things kabong has said to me and how I would reply back about him nitpicking semantics. It struck me as funny because I understand the frustration. I said he should reword it. And did I mention you ignoring anything?
You said "Holy shit, that sounds like me and Kabong's arguments! It drives me up a wall when he ignores my solid point to nitpick semantics." That would imply that I'm ignoring a "solid point" here to "nitpick semantics". Are you saying that I am ignoring a solid point here, or not?
You said "Holy shit, that sounds like me and Kabong's arguments! It drives me up a wall when he ignores my solid point to nitpick semantics." That would imply that I'm ignoring a "solid point" here to "nitpick semantics". Are you saying that I am ignoring a solid point here, or not?
The semantics comment reminded me of something I'd say. Kabong knows what I'm getting at and will still argue semantics. I don't know if you knew what DBTS was getting at. Maybe you think he believes someone is sitting outside his house, in a tree, with a sniper rifle making sure he drinks his tap water everyday. I personally doubt he does and I knew what he was getting at. Like I said, it could have been worded better. When I mentioned what I did in that post I wasn't even thinking about the replies here...just amused with the similar frustration.
If you want to tell people the truth, make them laugh, otherwise they'll kill you.
Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth.
-Oscar Wilde
Maybe you think he believes someone is sitting outside his house, in a tree, with a sniper rifle making sure he drinks his tap water everyday. I personally doubt he does
The semantics comment reminded me of something I'd say. Kabong knows what I'm getting at and will still argue semantics. I don't know if you knew what DBTS was getting at. Maybe you think he believes someone is sitting outside his house, in a tree, with a sniper rifle making sure he drinks his tap water everyday. I personally doubt he does and I knew what he was getting at. Like I said, it could have been worded better. When I mentioned what I did in that post I wasn't even thinking about the replies here...just amused with the similar frustration.
Fair enough, though you could have actually answered my question.
I think what DBTS was getting at is that Fluoride is dangerous. Unfortunately, the logic DBTS was going to use to get rid of it is the same logic that put it there in the first place.
Fair enough, though you could have actually answered my question.
I think what DBTS was getting at is that Fluoride is dangerous. Unfortunately, the logic DBTS was going to use to get rid of it is the same logic that put it there in the first place.
Didn't I? You seem to be defending yourself against a claim I never made. What I said had no bearing on you.
I will say that I think you did know that DBTS didn't mean he was literally 'forced' but rather not given the option of having flouride in his tap water or not. Am I wrong?
If you want to tell people the truth, make them laugh, otherwise they'll kill you.
Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth.
-Oscar Wilde
My question was: Are you saying that I am ignoring a solid point here, or not?
You didn't answer that question.
You seem to be defending yourself against a claim I never made. What I said had no bearing on you.
What you said was partly about me, so I think it certainly does have a bearing on me.
I will say that I think you did know that DBTS didn't mean he was literally 'forced' but rather not given the option of having flouride in his tap water or not. Am I wrong?
That is wrong. DBTS, in the title of his thread, claimed to be forced to consume this water. In his follow-up post he does make a clarification that states that he is forced to have flouride in his chosen water. However, this clarification makes little sense.
Fair enough, though you could have actually answered my question.
I think what DBTS was getting at is that Fluoride is dangerous. Unfortunately, the logic DBTS was going to use to get rid of it is the same logic that put it there in the first place.
She is talking about her and Kabong's conversations and Kabong using semantics. Nothing to do with you at all.
That is wrong. DBTS, in the title of his thread, claimed to be forced to consume this water. In his follow-up post he does make a clarification that states that he is forced to have flouride in his chosen water. However, this clarification makes little sense.
His point was he has no choice if the tap water has flouride or not. Did you not see that he was saying that however misworded the post may have been?
If you want to tell people the truth, make them laugh, otherwise they'll kill you.
Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth.
-Oscar Wilde
Yes, I did. I said I wasn't referring to you when I said that. So no, I wasn't saying you were ignoring a solid point here.
Ahhh, I understand now. Thanks for the extra clarification. I was thinking you meant your and Kabong's arguments with me, as opposed to your arguments with each other.
His point was he has no choice if the tap water has flouride or not.
Of course he does. He can filter it. He can get a well. He has a ton of choices regarding his tap water.
Did you not see that he was saying that however misworded the post may have been?
When someone claims to be "forced to consume fluoride", I tend to think they are claiming that they are forced to consume flouride.
Ahhh, I understand now. Thanks for the extra clarification. I was thinking you meant your and Kabong's arguments with me, as opposed to your arguments with each other.
Ok...he doesn't have a choice of whether or not flouride is put in his tap water.
His tap water? What makes it his?
So you've never been in an experience where someone misworded what they were saying to you but you still knew what they were getting at despite it?
I have been in that situation, on both sides. I'm still trying to determine what DBTS is saying here. If he's saying that fluoridated water is dangerous, I don't really agree, but I certainly support his right not to consume it.
The tap water that comes into his home then. And yes, I know he has to turn on the faucet and he pays for the usage of the water. But he has no choice if that water has flouride in it. And how realistic would it be to not use the water? How would you bathe or wash dishes?
I have been in that situation, on both sides. I'm still trying to determine what DBTS is saying here. If he's saying that fluoridated water is dangerous, I don't really agree, but I certainly support his right not to consume it.
Yes, I think he's arguing that it shouldn't be in the water and that they put it in there without offering a choice in the matter.
If you want to tell people the truth, make them laugh, otherwise they'll kill you.
Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth.
-Oscar Wilde
Ok. Since municipal sources are only one possible source for "tap water that comes into his home", how is he forced to consume that water?
And yes, I know he has to turn on the faucet and he pays for the usage of the water. But he has no choice if that water has flouride in it.
That's like saying "I have no choice if my Miller Lite has alcohol in it" or like saying "I have no choice is my Twinkies have chemicals in them" and then pretending you have an inherent right to dictate the content of those things.
You're being offered a service. If you don't want it, don't use it.
And how realistic would it be to not use the water? How would you bathe or wash dishes?
It's completely unrealistic to not use water, unless you want to die. However, I'm not suggesting that anyone not use water.
Yes, I think he's arguing that it shouldn't be in the water and that they put it in there without offering a choice in the matter.
Why would you expect to get choice from organizations that don't need your approval to get something of value out of you?
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I don't think trace flouride levels are cancerous or dentists would have spoken up by now or at least had some serious problems, but even then, as long as it's sanitary and water comes out, people don't give a crap about infrastructure.
Cancer simply being cell change I have no doubt if exposed to High levels for long periods something bad could happen. But I doubt seriously that the PPB Flouride found in most public water is to be feared greatly.
I'm not sure, I'll have to find that out. I'm not sure how small the ions are.
I'll look it up.
Looks like RO or Reverse Osmosis (straining the water over a charged membrane is the most effective way to remove the flouride) if you also add a carbon microfilter it will help get rid of the chlorine and and giardia and the other nastys. Some filters you can buy also have viral guards but that's not necessary for tap water.
RO is your best option for Flouride Removal I think
I'm not sure how great this unit is but here's what an RO system under counter would look like.
The Whole house stuff is A LOT more expensive.
http://www.advancedwaterfilters.com/merchant.mvc?Screen=PROD&Store_Code=AWF&Product_Code=TM&Category_Code=UC
I think I'd definately pay the extra 40 bucks for antimicrobial tubing. Yuck. makes me think about all those clogged ice machine filters out there.
Give me a fucking break.
My OP CLEARLY says "why are we forced to consume fluoride IN municipal tap water".
in other words, if we choose to drink the water which we assume is safe and comes to our house -- honestly, isn't that the most likely supply for most of us -- why are we FORCED in to having fluoride in that?
What the fuck is wrong with you people.
Again, what if it was cyanide?
Would that change the argument?
or is it still, "Hey no one has a gun to your head making you drink out of the tap."
Give me a fucking break.
If none of you has the balls enough to step up and say, "Hey assuming any of this about fluoride is true." (which i still don't know! is it?) "Assuming that, why the fuck is the government still putting it in the water!??!"
Thats all i'm fucking asking.
And you semantic wankers are playing semantic wanker games with me.
Get the fuck on with it, and quit playing semantics, for fucks sake.
You people have nothing better to do than turn respectable questions around and make a mockery out of them just because you find linguistic fault in the argument.
I fucking hope kat bans me for this.
I realy fucking hope so.
Cause you people piss me off so bad,
i need a fucking break.
I can't believe it.
From you of all people, FFG.
:rolleyes:
If I opened it now would you not understand?
Not to get too far off topic but one thing you should remember if you are taking steps to remove the chlorine from your water is if you want to drink it you have to keep it really cold. The main purpose of chlorine is to kill bacteria and if you have warm drinking water (like say a jug sitting on your counter at room temperatuer) it is basically a pool for bacteria to grow in.
The only think about ozone (and I learned this when I used to work at a swimming pool) is that it only kills bacteria and other crap at the filter point when it gets zapped with the ozone. Once the water is sent to the pipes it is no longer protected unless it is exposed to ozone again. This is why ozone swimming pools still use a small amount of chlorine since the only pure water is the stuff that just comes out of the filter, only chlorine can kill the bacteria that is in the pool.
I don't understand. Who is forcing you to consume this?
Why would you ever assume that?
This makes no sense. It's like asking "why am I FORCED at the supermarket to buy 6 Twinkies in a box instead of just one Twinkie from the box?"
Too much flouride, I guess.
Not really. Most tap water contains levels of arsenic, too.
Yes.
Yikes. Dude, I've never seen a shred of evidence that flouride, at the levels found in tap water, is highly toxic. I've seen plenty of speculation that may, one day, prove to be true. But the reason you don't see outrage is because the proven benefits of flouride outweight the speculative harm.
Now, if you want to suggest that you shouldn't be forced to subsidize municipal drinking water sources in the event that you don't use them, I'm completely on board with you. But to suggest you're "forced" to drink that water when no such force exists is silly.
Holy shit, that sounds like me and Kabong's arguments! It drives me up a wall when he ignores my solid point to nitpick semantics. Just calm down and reword your concerns (which you have already done), they're legitimate. Don't let it get to ya so much.
Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth.
-Oscar Wilde
makes sense, I've noticed Bromine becoming more popular as well. I guess that's where the salt water pool with the small amounts of choloride are introduced.
What is the "solid point" that I am ignoring here?
What's FFG????
I'm not talking to you anymore, FFG.
I have to go to work.
:rolleyes:
If I opened it now would you not understand?
I can't believe it.
From you of all people, DBTS.
:rolleyes:
I wasn't talking about you ignoring anything. I was referring to how it reminded me of things kabong has said to me and how I would reply back about him nitpicking semantics. It struck me as funny because I understand the frustration. I said he should reword it. And did I mention you ignoring anything?
Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth.
-Oscar Wilde
You said "Holy shit, that sounds like me and Kabong's arguments! It drives me up a wall when he ignores my solid point to nitpick semantics." That would imply that I'm ignoring a "solid point" here to "nitpick semantics". Are you saying that I am ignoring a solid point here, or not?
love you too.
off to work.
see ya soon, if i'm not banned.
:rolleyes:
If I opened it now would you not understand?
Likewise.
Dentistry?
I think you'll be ok.
:P
The semantics comment reminded me of something I'd say. Kabong knows what I'm getting at and will still argue semantics. I don't know if you knew what DBTS was getting at. Maybe you think he believes someone is sitting outside his house, in a tree, with a sniper rifle making sure he drinks his tap water everyday. I personally doubt he does and I knew what he was getting at. Like I said, it could have been worded better. When I mentioned what I did in that post I wasn't even thinking about the replies here...just amused with the similar frustration.
Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth.
-Oscar Wilde
i wouldn't be so sure.
I knew you were going to chime in at that.
Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth.
-Oscar Wilde
Fair enough, though you could have actually answered my question.
I think what DBTS was getting at is that Fluoride is dangerous. Unfortunately, the logic DBTS was going to use to get rid of it is the same logic that put it there in the first place.
Didn't I? You seem to be defending yourself against a claim I never made. What I said had no bearing on you.
I will say that I think you did know that DBTS didn't mean he was literally 'forced' but rather not given the option of having flouride in his tap water or not. Am I wrong?
Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth.
-Oscar Wilde
My question was: Are you saying that I am ignoring a solid point here, or not?
You didn't answer that question.
What you said was partly about me, so I think it certainly does have a bearing on me.
That is wrong. DBTS, in the title of his thread, claimed to be forced to consume this water. In his follow-up post he does make a clarification that states that he is forced to have flouride in his chosen water. However, this clarification makes little sense.
She is talking about her and Kabong's conversations and Kabong using semantics. Nothing to do with you at all.
Yes, I did. I said I wasn't referring to you when I said that. So no, I wasn't saying you were ignoring a solid point here.
What I said was about me.
His point was he has no choice if the tap water has flouride or not. Did you not see that he was saying that however misworded the post may have been?
Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth.
-Oscar Wilde
Ahhh, I understand now. Thanks for the extra clarification. I was thinking you meant your and Kabong's arguments with me, as opposed to your arguments with each other.
Of course he does. He can filter it. He can get a well. He has a ton of choices regarding his tap water.
When someone claims to be "forced to consume fluoride", I tend to think they are claiming that they are forced to consume flouride.
You're welcome.
Semantics...I just love em!!
Ok...he doesn't have a choice of whether or not flouride is put in his tap water.
So you've never been in an experience where someone misworded what they were saying to you but you still knew what they were getting at despite it?
Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth.
-Oscar Wilde
His tap water? What makes it his?
I have been in that situation, on both sides. I'm still trying to determine what DBTS is saying here. If he's saying that fluoridated water is dangerous, I don't really agree, but I certainly support his right not to consume it.
Grrr...shut up!
The tap water that comes into his home then. And yes, I know he has to turn on the faucet and he pays for the usage of the water. But he has no choice if that water has flouride in it. And how realistic would it be to not use the water? How would you bathe or wash dishes?
Yes, I think he's arguing that it shouldn't be in the water and that they put it in there without offering a choice in the matter.
Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth.
-Oscar Wilde
Ok. Since municipal sources are only one possible source for "tap water that comes into his home", how is he forced to consume that water?
That's like saying "I have no choice if my Miller Lite has alcohol in it" or like saying "I have no choice is my Twinkies have chemicals in them" and then pretending you have an inherent right to dictate the content of those things.
You're being offered a service. If you don't want it, don't use it.
It's completely unrealistic to not use water, unless you want to die. However, I'm not suggesting that anyone not use water.
Why would you expect to get choice from organizations that don't need your approval to get something of value out of you?