Osama Bin Laden Accused America of Bringing "AIDS as a Satanic American Invention"

Kann

DriftingByTheStorm wrote:

Chapter 3 of Full Disclosure by Gary Glum:


Nice stuff, huh?
I mean the thoughts of those great thinkers of the past, with regard to population, that is.

And yet there are those who would question why some in the elite would want a tool like AIDS?

Is it not plainly obvious?
Really?

Well the population control kind of failed miserably don't you think? The UN (the dreaded new world order) even has to do birth control prevention in 3rd world countries to try and prevent future crisis. Aside from being a tragedy Aids is an enormous economic burden for many countries but is absolutely not a population control tool, or a very uneffective one.

Malthus actually wrote in the mid-1800's: "All children who are born, beyond what would be needed to keep up the population to a desired level, must necessarily perish, unless room be made for them by the death of grown persons.We should facilitate, instead of desperately trying to impede, the operation of nature in producing this mortality, and if we dread the all too often visitation of the horrid form of famine, we should sedulously encourage the other forms of destruction which we compel nature to use."

Got to love these 19th century thinkers. Oh by the way, he died in 1834 and his theory is supported by the theory of evolution. Are you familiar with it?
Populations grow exponentially (1, 2, 4, 16...) while ressources grow arithmetically (1, 2, 3, 4...), hence the problem between population growth and their ressources.

OutOfBreath

Kann wrote:

Got to love these 19th century thinkers. Oh by the way, he died in 1834 and his theory is supported by the theory of evolution. Are you familiar with it?
Populations grow exponentially (1, 2, 4, 16...) while ressources grow arithmetically (1, 2, 3, 4...), hence the problem between population growth and their ressources.

I think that thesis is pretty dead as in regards to humans. It may be more accurate as to animals that dont have the power to influence their surroundings to the degree humans do.

Malthus has sort of a point, cynical as it is, however he didn't really take into account the technological growth, and new forms of organizing society.

Peace
Dan

Kann

OutOfBreath wrote:

I think that thesis is pretty dead as in regards to humans. It may be more accurate as to animals that dont have the power to influence their surroundings to the degree humans do.

Malthus has sort of a point, cynical as it is, however he didn't really take into account the technological growth, and new forms of organizing society.

Peace
Dan

True, his thesis was dispproved for humans, both ways. Not only do humans have the technology to change their surroundings but Europe already started to have a population decline (if you don't take into account immigration). However his most cynical point still stands, unlimited growth in a limited environment will most definitely lead to a crisis. The solution however does not lie by stopping curing people or having babies. I don't know Malthus that well but as a Pastor I doubt he was as radical as the article pointed him to be.

OutOfBreath

Kann wrote:

True, his thesis was dispproved for humans, both ways. Not only do humans have the technology to change their surroundings but Europe already started to have a population decline (if you don't take into account immigration). However his most cynical point still stands, unlimited growth in a limited environment will most definitely lead to a crisis. The solution however does not lie by stopping curing people or having babies. I don't know Malthus that well but as a Pastor I doubt he was as radical as the article pointed him to be.

Maybe he promoted abstinence....

Seriously though, the point that unlimited growth cannot continue in a limited environment is still relevant. Whether the population at some point balances out naturally or through strong measures, or we colonize space, it's pretty obvious that at some point the growth must be checked. And that doesnt mean supporting genocide or anything, which some people prefer to interpret it as.

Peace
Dan

DriftingByTheStorm

Kann wrote:

Well the population control kind of failed miserably don't you think?

I'd say 35 million dead Africans is a pretty "good" start even for such a high-risk, high cost "program", wouldn't you?

Kann wrote:

Aside from being a tragedy Aids is an enormous economic burden for many countries but is absolutely not a population control tool, or a very uneffective one.

You think the elite are concerned at all about the financial pains of 3rd world governments? They love it. It means guaranteed subservience and ultimately failure to progress in the 21st century, and mass starvation.

Aside from that, AIDS is a huge economic BOON to the pharmaceutical corporations (owned by the elite) that contract with these governments and with the US government aid and NGO aid agencies to deliver "relief" and treatment to the affected regions.

And again, how is MILLIONS upon MILLIONS of dead Africans labeled "uneffective" as a standard of genocide by you?

Kann wrote:

Got to love these 19th century thinkers. Oh by the way, he died in 1834 and his theory is supported by the theory of evolution. Are you familiar with it?
Populations grow exponentially (1, 2, 4, 16...) while ressources grow arithmetically (1, 2, 3, 4...), hence the problem between population growth and their ressources.

Malthus was a pretty sick fuck. And the views being espoused in Chapter 3 by Smith and Malthus (that you are talking about here) are beyond simple Darwinian explanation of a function of nature. They are blanket SUGGESTIONS that man begin exterminating or "helping in to the grave" his fellow man by deceitful means of genocide. You may want to reread the passage. The quotes are pretty fucked up!

And now.
Chapter FOUR.
GREAT STUFF HERE.

Full Disclosure wrote:

CHAPTER FOUR
This aristocratic tradition of "population control" found its expression in America in the early 20th Century with the formation in 1904 of what was then known as the "Station for Experimental Evolution." Funded by generous grants from Andrew Carnegie-who stated publicly that he was a hearty supporter of Malthus' ideas on "population control"-Cornelius Vanderbilt, J. P. Morgan and John D. Rockefeller, the Station conducted experiments involving different races. [DBTS Edit - Familiar names, right?]

One of their goals was to learn how to curb the rapid birth rate of blacks and other "coloreds." As outrageous as it may sound now, this was a goal that was very much on the minds of the Eastern rich in America. They were as frightened of being overrun by the masses-particularly the blacks-as the British had been of the natives they ruled in their colonies.

In 1910, Mrs. E. H. Harriman donated 80 acres of land at Cold Spring Harbor, Long Island, and $300,000 to the Station for Experimental Evolution to establish a "Eugenics Records Office." The widow of the man who created America's first great railroad fortune-the man who bankrolled the posse clever enough to track Butch Cassidy and the Sundance Kid, frightening them off to South America-her fortune was estimated at somewhere around a half billion dollars. [DBTS Edit - this woman is the mother of W. Averell Harriman, the man that Prescott Bush and his father in law George Herbert Walker worked for, later in the century, when banking with Hitler was en vogue]

The newspapers called her the richest woman in the world, and she became a driving force behind eugenics research in America. (Eugenics is defined as "the study of hereditary improvement by genetic control.") The thrust of the research conducted at Cold Spring Harbor was to improve the superiority of the white race. Mrs. Harriman wanted a world-wide campaign of sterilization of defectives "to make race perfect." The creation of a Master Race, in other words.

The records of that era which are still available indicate that this was a socially acceptable view among the rich who supported Cold Spring Harbor. They were determinedly making plans to halt the birth rate of blacks and colored people-Indians and Asians-especially in Africa and the United States. A typical attitude among this group was expressed publicly by the vice president of the Immigration Restriction League, Madison Grant, a friend of Teddy Roosevelt's and a trustee of the Museum of Natural History:

"In Europe today, the amount of Nordic blood in each nation is a very fair measure of its strength in war and its standing in civilization. In the City of New York, and elsewhere in the United States there is a native American Aristocracy resting upon layer upon layer of immigrants of lower races.It has taken us 50 years to learn that speaking English, wearing good clothes and going to school and church does not transform a Negro into a white man.Americans will have a similar experience with the Polish Jew, whose dwarf stature, peculiar mentality and ruthless concentration on self-interests are being grafted upon the stock of the nation. Indiscriminate efforts to preserve babies among the lower classes often results in serious injury to the race."

Grant was a worthy heir to the spiritual tradition of Thomas Malthus-and he summarized nicely the world view of those who poured their money into the eugenics work of Cold Spring Harbor, both then and in the future. From 1915 until shortly before World War II, the Olympians opened the facilities at Cold Spring Harbor to many of Germany's leading genetic scientists. They conducted extensive research into the origins of various races and designed eugenics experiments to rid the world of the mentally retarded-who were called "undesirables" or "defectives." Cold Spring Harbor gained the reputation as the world's leader in eugenics research. The scions of the most respected American families, such as the Harrimans, funded these experiments-which continue until this day and led to the creation of the AIDS virus.

In the early days, they weren't even terribly secretive. There were seven superrich families who just accepted as their God-given privilege that they would someday own America-its natural resources and productive capacity-outright. Their ideas were not much advanced beyond feudalism. And they were so certain in their self-righteous rectitude that they openly told the press exactly what they planned. The press respectfully, even admiringly, published it. (Not completely unlike today's press.) These were the actual headlines from the New York World newspaper on September 4, 1915:

"Mrs. E. H. Harriman Backs a Gigantic Step in Eugenics Would Curb Defectives by the Hundreds of Thousands Over Series of Years.
To Make Race Perfect.
Aid of Rockefeller and Carnegie Hoped For in World-Wide Campaign."

The story began: "A world-wide campaign for the sterilization of defectives is called for in a report to the Eugenic Society, which has its headquarters at Cold Spring Harbor, Long Island and is generously aided financially by Mrs. E. H. Harriman. John D. Rockefeller and Andrew Carnegie are expected to contribute."

The Eugenics Office inflicted its cruelty from the beginning. Very early on, in 1915, they discovered in their scientific research that pellagra-a disease that still inflicted a high death toll-was caused by an insufficiency of niacin. The cure was a simple dietary one. Instead of spreading that information publicly, the Eugenics Office urged a diet of corn, which provides no niacin, and then viciously attacked other medical researchers who claimed that niacin prevented pellagra.

In particular, Mrs. Harriman ordered the Eugenics Office director, William Davenport, to heap contempt on the "niacin theory." She knew he wouldn't let her down. What had drawn her to hire him in the first place was an article in which he singled out the Irish as "defectives who genetically were not able to ward off tuberculosis." So with that moral and scientific view of humanity, he had no qualms about complying with her demand.

Financed by Mrs. Harriman, he published voluminous position papers discrediting the theory about niacin. Naturally, the Eugenics Records Office carried great weight in the medical community, and as a result, it was not until 1935 that the evidence about niacin was so incontrovertible that the Cold Spring Harbor theory-and its recommended corn diet-were discredited. But the fraud worked. During that generation, from 1915 to 1935, the Records Office stated that millions of "undesirable Southern poor whites and negroes died from the ravages of pellagra."

In 1932, the Third International Conference of Eugenics was held at the Museum of Natural History in New York City. It was sponsored by Mrs. H. R. duPont of the Delaware duPont family and a short roster of America's wealthiest-and most rabid-racists masquerading as environmentalists and eugenics benefactors: Mrs. Mary Averill Harriman, Major Leonard Darwin-the son of Charles Darwin, famous for his "Survival of the Fittest" natural selection philosophy-Mrs. John T. Pratt, Mrs. Walter Jennings, Dr. J. Harvey Kellogg, Henry Fairchild Osborn, Colonel William Draper and Mr. and Mrs. Cleveland H. Dodge.

Mrs. Pratt was of the Standard Oil Pratts, as was Mrs. Jennings. Kellogg made his fortune from breakfast cereal-and was widely known for the "eccentricity" of his views. Colonel Draper founded the Draper Foundation (which later used Robert Strange McNamara, Maxwell Taylor and McGeorge Bundy to forward its racial-environmental views) and Mr. Dodge was the financial brains behind President Woodrow Wilson, who rhapsodized lovingly about the environment in his 1913 inaugural address not long before he geared up to send American troops into the carnage of World War I.

These people wanted the natural resources of the world preserved for the present and future use of their own friends and families. They had no use whatsoever for the world's "useless eaters," as Lord Russell called them. In the modern vernacular, their views would be seen for what they were: unregenerately racist-pure and simple. It was no accident that the founders of the modern day environmentalist movement were the heirs to the great petroleum and pharmaceutical fortunes; they valued the resources of the planet more highly than ordinary human life. Those millions who were poor-or worse, poor and non-white-had no good reason to live.

The Conference unanimously elected Dr. Ernst Rudin as president of the International Federation of Eugenics Organizations. Later, as co-author (with a member of the German Society for Racial Hygiene) of Hitler's law "For the Protection of German Blood and German Honour," Rudin earned himself a permanent niche in the pantheon of racism. (Hitler's law, incidentally, was based on a model developed at Cold Spring Harbor, the "Model Eugenical Sterilization Law" drafted in 1921.)

Henry Fairchild Osborn, a nephew of J. P. Morgan, was appointed vice president of the Conference. Osborn was the first known "racial-environmentalist" who connected "environmentalism" (a word invented by a close friend of Teddy Roosevelt) and "population control." Two years later, Osborn was awarded the Goethe medal by Hitler. In the light of the AIDS epidemic of the last 15 years, consider Osborn's opening speech to this august group in 1932:

"The outstanding generalization of my world tour are what may be summed up as 'six overs': overdestruction of natural resources, now actually worldwide, overmechanization in the substitution of the machine for animals and human labor, rapidly becoming worldwide, overconstruction of warehouses, ships, railroads, wharves and other means of transport, replacing primitive transportation; overproduction both of food and the mechanical wants of mankind, chiefly during the post-war (WWI) speculative period; overconfidence in future demand and supply, resulting in too rapid extension of both natural resources and mechanical equipment; overpopulation beyond the land areas or the capacity of the natural and scientific resources of the world, with consequent permanent unemployment of the least fitted.

"I have reached the opinion that overpopulation and underemployment are twin sisters. From this point of view I even find that the United States is overpopulated at the present time. In nature the less fitted individuals would gradually disappear, but in civilization, we are keeping them in the community in the hopes that in brighter days they may find employment. This is only another instance of humane civilization going directly against the order of nature and encouraging the survival of the unfittest."

In that same year, 1932, Cold Spring Harbor made its facilities available to German scientists working on racial concerns being voiced by Hitler and the burgeoning Nazi movement. In 1935, the Eugenics Records Office hosted a Conference on World Population in Berlin, and the American delegates included those already listed. The keynote speaker was German Interior Minister Wilhelm Frick. An American, Dr. Clarence G. Campbell, addressed the conference:

"The leader of the German nation, Adolf Hitler, ably supported by Dr. Frick and guided by Germany's anthropologists and social philosophers, has been able to construct a comprehensive policy of population development and improvement that promises to be epochal in racial history. It sets a pattern which other nations and other racial groups must follow if they do not wish to fall behind in racial quality, in their racial accomplishments and in their prospects for survival."

In the years immediately prior to World War II, the Harrimans' Cold Spring Harbor facilities remained open to Nazi Germany's leading genetic scientists, who then returned home and used their knowledge to forward Hitler's program of medical experiments designed to create a Master Race. From the documents I've been able to obtain, it is clear that the Eugenics Records Office pioneered racial experiments which were subsequently carried out in Nazi Germany-and may have been the model for Goering's T4 program, which, it is alleged, resulted in the killing of 400,000 mental patients who were classified as "defectives."

What we are seeing today, the AIDS epidemic, had its roots in the Cold Spring Harbor Eugenics Records Office, with its goal of curbing and reducing the birth rate of Negroes, Jews, "defectives" and "the layers upon layers of lower races." But, ultimately, Cold Spring Harbor scientists did more than show the way to a reduction in the birth rates of "undesirables." They succeeded in showing the way to murder millions of Lord Russell's "useless eaters.'