Osama Bin Laden Accused America of Bringing "AIDS as a Satanic American Invention"
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I learned about this from a book the other day that briefly mentioned Osama's points to America in a letter.
Here is his "Letter to America" from 2002
I thought it would be worth a read for everyone.
It's long.
And at the end of it,
one of his blames placed upon America is
WOW!
What a conspiracy theorist!
In Lies We Trust
Here is his "Letter to America" from 2002
I thought it would be worth a read for everyone.
It's long.
And at the end of it,
one of his blames placed upon America is
Osama wrote:And because of all this, you have been described in history as a nation that spreads diseases that were unknown to man in the past. Go ahead and boast to the nations of man, that you brought them AIDS as a Satanic American Invention.
WOW!
What a conspiracy theorist!
In Lies We Trust
If I was to smile and I held out my hand
If I opened it now would you not understand?
If I opened it now would you not understand?
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Two pretty hardcore links. Drives it all home at 100 miles an hour for me.
the picture keeps getting clearer
and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
over specific principles, goals, and policies.
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i've pretty much learned that if it's "hardcore truth", people just run away fast and afraid.
:(
If I opened it now would you not understand?
Which makes me wonder how many people have actually read Osama's letter to America in it's entirety. It's a rather crucial pre-requisite to say the least.
and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
over specific principles, goals, and policies.
http://i36.tinypic.com/66j31x.jpg
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strange that the above Osama quote was the one thing you quoted from the letter.
Yeah.
i should probably find a better translation to post though,
that one reads a bit funny.
not the greatest word choices used.
some stuff in that is just flat out grammatically incorrect.
definately helps explain the mindset.
certainly i don't agree with portions of the ideology,
but i respect that it is a different culture,
and that it should be their soverign right to do as they please.
ie- if they want a religious government, they should have it.
it does help you understand that it is significantly about moral choices (objectification of women, gambling, sexual profanity etc) and not about "hating freedom".
... and yes i know many will argue that, "given how they treat women, they have no room to talk" ...
i'm not saying the arab cultures are a high minded and perfected culture.
i'm saying i respect their right to live how they so choose without our interference.
That primarily seems to be their greatest anger.
... and also about our interference in their region. Our massive interference in their region.
Anyhow.
If I opened it now would you not understand?
When you combine those two links after a certain level of understanding it all becomes quite clear what is going on.
and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
over specific principles, goals, and policies.
http://i36.tinypic.com/66j31x.jpg
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you really think he feels the same way about our right to choose our gov't and religion?
if you look at the FACTS surrounding the start of the HIV\AIDS epidemic, it becomes IMPOSSIBLE to accept that it is just some random mutated virus that popped up simultaneously in gay men in NYC and San Fransico, and alternately in straight men in Africa.
Most notably in the "impossible to accept" category is the understanding that the prevelance of AIDS in the late 70's in America was centered ONLY in two cities which were conducting GOVERNMENT run heptatitis B tests on a small group of heavily active homosexuals ...
... who then almost ALL mysteriously got AIDS.
here is a small article which i only but skimmed over ...
i saw enough key words in there to know that it should probably be a good read.
Let me know what you think, after you get through.
If I opened it now would you not understand?
no.
but i think that if we did not (or possibly if we didn't continue to) interfer with their region, that the muslim\arab world would probably leave us alone.
of course, if they ever showed an EMMINENT THREAT (clear and present danger), i'd say fuck 'em.
But i don't believe in all of this massive interventionism.
If I opened it now would you not understand?
WTF does any of that have to do with Osama? Seems like a silly thread to me. you dont do yourself any favors when you post a thread about America starting AIDS and then post such credible people as Osama as proof. I think a scientist or something would have been a bit more logical.
thats like saying "Hey bankers control the world and Hitler agrees with me!". hahah
The two lifestyles are so diametrically opposed, that it's time for one system to step aside in the name of the almighty buck.
Iran has become manifest destiny. I don't see any "if" left in the equation anymore.
and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
over specific principles, goals, and policies.
http://i36.tinypic.com/66j31x.jpg
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You asked me "what is the point here?", i was simply explaining.
I thought using Osama's own reference of it would be a good starting point for conversation.
To me it is valid, because i (obviously) already accept the conclusion that AIDS is in fact a product of the US Government "Special Virus Cancer Program", and therefore to me it makes a LOT of sense that this woudl be included in Osama's letter to America, attempting to explain to us part of their ("radical" muslim) great frustration with US policy.
To me it is like saying, "look, Osama is actually CORRECT in some of his grievances with us". Alternately, i am saying, "gee isn't it funny that you never heard about THIS in the 'reasons why they hate us' given by the MSM" ... there is a reason for that. They could NOT have Americans going, "The US Government created AIDS? GASP!"
I don't do myself "any favors" with ANYthing i post here, in case you haven't noticed. It seems to be lose-lose-lose for truth on this board. Instead of fighting that, i just placate to it.
As far as "credible people" for proof of HIV ... that was not the point of this thread. it was a simply to raise discussion. I found it fascinating that "even Osama" understands that AIDS is an American government invention ... and yet the American people themselves remain misinformed.
As far as Osama's "credibility" ... there is plenty to be learned from all sorts of people, from serial killers, to syphilitic megalomaniac dictators, to "terrorists" to prophets, and beyond ... you just have to be able to seperate the speaking of truth from the speaking of ideology. You can have valid truth being spoken by someone with whom you may disagree with ideologicaly.
If I opened it now would you not understand?
1. reverse transcriptase
2. SV-40, which was coupled to the polio vaccine, works using reverse transcriptase and is written up in the scientific journals as being a highly efficient retrovirus that infects the host RNA better than most retroviruses ... interesting that the government was apparently experimenting with this back at least as far as the early 50s when the sv40 infected polio viruses were produced. This is indicative of very early government interest in retrovirus research, and particularly of reverse transcriptase, since SV40 is the SHINING example of that process at work.
3. the cancer-AIDS-reverse transcriptase link, and how viruses (or retroviruses even) are now KNOWN to cause cancer, multiplying through the reverese transcriptase process. AIDS\HIV appears to be an offshoot of this. (i'm too scientificaly stuipd to get too technical on this)
4. Special Virus Cancer Program - this is almost positively the program which brough the genesis of AIDS. In fact AIDS appears to be the "special virus cancer", itself.
5. Dr. Gallo - the man who "discovered AIDS" -- previously (and not publicly known until recent government documents were discovered by Len Horowitz) worked in a high capacity (a director for one of the groups) on the "Special Virus Cancer" program.
6. JFK. Strange as it sounds. (get the "Kennedy Murder Collection" torrent, think its Part 3 that has the relevant bits) Check out what Judyth Vary Baker and Ed Haslam have to say. Understand that Lee Oswald was deeply involved in Anti-Castro efforts and that the government was trying to give Castro cancer. Listen to Judyth Vary Baker explain how her idea as time was running out was simply to inject castro with cancer cells, even if they wouldn't "take" (as they were having problems getting cancer to actually thrive and grow in a victim, it just died after a few days) ... just inject him, and maybe put another disease agent in the injection to make him immediately sick ... the doctors would see cancer in the blood work (even though it would soon die) and then they would put him on radiation ... and since the OTHER agent in the injection was already weakening his immune system, the radiation itself would then kill him. She posits that THIS was the impetus that invoked the AIDS research. The idea that a virus didnt have to KILL someone, it just had to DISABLE THE IMMUNE SYSTEM, and then opportunistic diseases would finish off the victim.
7. The vast improbablity of gays in New York and SF getting AIDS when they just HAPPENED to be the ONLY gays involved in government Hepatitis B vaccine studies ... the AIDS was clearly coupled with the vaccine. These men are the EARLIEST KNOWN HIV CASES ON RECORD. The straight african males who contracted AIDS later that year (or early the next) were all involved in a World Health Organization smallpox (i believe) vaccination program. Hmm.
Well.
Thats about it for now.
I feel like i had a few more a-ha ideas to put down, but they got lost in the fog. More when i figure it out, i'm sure.
Go read that article i linked. I skimmed it some more. It looks REALLY good!
If I opened it now would you not understand?
"(ii) You are the nation that permits Usury, which has been forbidden by all the religions. Yet you build your economy and investments on Usury. As a result of this, in all its different forms and guises, the Jews have taken control of your economy, through which they have then taken control of your media, and now control all aspects of your life making you their servants and achieving their aims at your expense; precisely what Benjamin Franklin warned you against.
(iii) You are a nation that permits the production, trading and usage of intoxicants. You also permit drugs, and only forbid the trade of them, even though your nation is the largest consumer of them.
(iv) You are a nation that permits acts of immorality, and you consider them to be pillars of personal freedom. You have continued to sink down this abyss from level to level until incest has spread amongst you, in the face of which neither your sense of honour nor your laws object.
Who can forget your President Clinton's immoral acts committed in the official Oval office? After that you did not even bring him to account, other than that he 'made a mistake', after which everything passed with no punishment. Is there a worse kind of event for which your name will go down in history and remembered by nations?
(v) You are a nation that permits gambling in its all forms. The companies practice this as well, resulting in the investments becoming active and the criminals becoming rich.
(vi) You are a nation that exploits women like consumer products or advertising tools calling upon customers to purchase them. You use women to serve passengers, visitors, and strangers to increase your profit margins. You then rant that you support the liberation of women.
(vii) You are a nation that practices the trade of sex in all its forms, directly and indirectly. Giant corporations and establishments are established on this, under the name of art, entertainment, tourism and freedom, and other deceptive names you attribute to it.
(viii) And because of all this, you have been described in history as a nation that spreads diseases that were unknown to man in the past. Go ahead and boast to the nations of man, that you brought them AIDS as a Satanic American Invention.
(xi) You have destroyed nature with your industrial waste and gases more than any other nation in history. Despite this, you refuse to sign the Kyoto agreement so that you can secure the profit of your greedy companies and*industries.
(x) Your law is the law of the rich and wealthy people, who hold sway in their political parties, and fund their election campaigns with their gifts. Behind them stand the Jews, who control your policies, media and economy.
(xi) That which you are singled out for in the history of mankind, is that you have used your force to destroy mankind more than any other nation in history; not to defend principles and values, but to hasten to secure your interests and profits. You who dropped a nuclear bomb on Japan, even though Japan was ready to negotiate an end to the war. How many acts of oppression, tyranny and injustice have you carried out, O callers to freedom?
(xii) Let us not forget one of your major characteristics: your duality in both manners and values; your hypocrisy in manners and principles. All*manners, principles and values have two scales: one for you and one for the others. "
and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
over specific principles, goals, and policies.
http://i36.tinypic.com/66j31x.jpg
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Sweet Jesus!
Announcing the "discovery" of the "cause" of AIDS
1984, she says: "VARIANT OF A HUMAN CANCER VIRUS"
Wow!
You didn't hear that one too many more times after that.
I bet they were like, "whoa! You gotta lay off the 'cancer virus' angle, baby"
DAMN!
If I opened it now would you not understand?
lose-lose-lose? maybe you should try not posting sensational threads solely for the purpose of shocking and getting a cheap rise out of people. and you wonder why people always be pickin' on you!
you post a thread about Osama agreeing with you that US created AIDS (with your trademark Drifting self-satisfied smugness) and then wonder why people dont reply talking about the AIDS link you posted (except your loyal dog, who never misses a chance to hate on something thats not muslim), and instead bitch about the assinine Osama and AIDS title. Why is this shocking to you? its the GODDAMN THREAD SUBJECT! You dont get out much do you? you really dont understand people, unless of course, the real purpose of this thread was to irritate people and pick a fight (which it is, as are most of your threads).
he understands the AIDS epidemic? You dont think Osama would just seek to blame America for anything he can? I doubt he knows jack shit about the AIDS epidemic. If you are learning anything beyond how to hide and blow shit up from this guy (and yes i read the letter, 99% religious nutcase gibberish as usual), i feel sorry for you.
so did you actually read up on any of the info on the USGov. and AIDS or not?
If I opened it now would you not understand?
They don't want to understand what is going on.
and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
over specific principles, goals, and policies.
http://i36.tinypic.com/66j31x.jpg
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it's all still some invisible conspiracy jargon
....and so it will all continue...
I can't wait to hear all the complaining over the next year over the lack luster results we are to expect as "change"
It's dare say it's going to be thoroughly entertaining.
make sure get a good seat....
hahaha
and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
over specific principles, goals, and policies.
http://i36.tinypic.com/66j31x.jpg
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Just throwing it out there. Now, I wish some of the biology people on here would comment on the nature of diseases and how they work.
In the meantime, I find the snopes explanation at least as credible as Osama Bin Laden's...
Peace
Dan
"Every judgment teeters on the brink of error. To claim absolute knowledge is to become monstrous. Knowledge is an unending adventure at the edge of uncertainty." - Frank Herbert, Dune, 1965
Yeah I don't think you'll find any peer-reviewed journal article that will make any claims about AIDS being a man-made disease.
I believe that in this case -- as is most any conspiracy theory -- if you subcribe to the theory of Occam's Razor then this is just a bunch of fun/funny science fiction. Seriously though, because Osama bin Laden says that the US government did something evil (as if he would ever say anything to the contrary) we should believe it? Is someone here about ready to pull a John Walker???
And secondly, from the Snopes article... "We make the arrogant assumption that our world should always make sense according to our current level of knowledge; such a premise works well in most cases but breaks down in the face of matters our understanding does not yet encompass. At those moments at least some of us scramble to find explanations – any explanations – that can be shoehorned into service." This quote pretty much summarizes the frame of mind required to believe in this bologna.
Zoonosis- it happens and in all likelihood is what started HIV in the world
(list contains a handful of retroviruses that are not HIV/AIDS related, formed natrually with in the wild, so humans did not have the market on reverse transcriptase Mother Nature was working on it as well)
In regards to the Letter to America-2002, just be careful reading translations OBL makes those messages with the intent that it says one thing to Western Readers and a whole completely different thing to Muslims. Someone trying to translate to make a point will leave out some of the more colorful language flourishes which would mean little to us, such as the wonderful "peace through guidance" which means little to western ears but literally translates in the minds of muslims to "one day you will submit to our rule".
— Socrates
I think the point of the thread was to discuss wether Osama saying America created AIDS adds weight to that theory.
(And I don't think so, not only does he probably know little in bology he also is bordeline psychopath)
Psychopath most likely, but what if he's also a highly intelligent person trained to do something specific by the CIA?
Bush personally said finding him wasn't that important. Little windows of opportunity from which to glimpse inside the little shop of horrors.
and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
over specific principles, goals, and policies.
http://i36.tinypic.com/66j31x.jpg
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I like the Fanta nazi thing which they said was false according to a study done by coke
we asked coke and they said they were totally awesome and perfect, so that's absolutely good enough for us...
:rolleyes:
yeah...snopes...
and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
over specific principles, goals, and policies.
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Folks i implore you to brush up on this.
Gary Glum, Leonard Horowitz, Robert Srickler, John Seale, and even Boyd Graves are ALL saying the SAME THING.
There research ALL points to the same place.
Hell.
I gave you a link to the Government iteself announcing that AIDS is a CANCER VIRUS ...
and by god, if that isn't just what ALL of these researchers are claiming as the origins of this disease: The US SPECIAL VIRUS CANCER PROGRAM.
Look it up.
If I opened it now would you not understand?