My side of the Boston Tickets story.

nowayimfaithfull

Wow I feel like Dave A. after reading that long thread ripping me to shreds.
I apologize for not following up on njcpt tickets.
But lets clear a few things up, I baught these tickets the day before the show while tickets were still on sale, so I did help him out, I do this alot, I actually give tickets, music, pj stuff away every tour to fellow fans all the time, I actually gave 1 of these tickets away. I GET IN OVER MY HEAD WITH PJ ALL THE TIME WHO DOESNT, IT HAD NOTHING TO DO WITH THE MONEY AT ALL. I told my wife from boston mail this guy a check I kept telling her his adress was in the pms. I just checked he never pmed his adress, i have every 1 andf he should go back and check. I just got it from a friend on here ,while away and we did mail a check tuesday from fla. . I owed 3 differant people money for tickets, and other expenses. So I thought my wife took care of this. I heard 0 from njcpt except 1 time offering to get us backstage at a vedder solo show, never heard back from him at all. He mailed the ten club august 11 and I honestly just scanned back and found the email which my wife never told me about, I would have responed if I did like I do with everything. It went unoppened becasue it said please help nothing else in the signature
I admit guilt here for not taking this more seriously, but I honestly in my mind thought i was helping him out, and had 0 intention of stiffing him nor that he would get like this, again this was the day before we traveled and the same seats were on ticketmaster. So the urgency was lost and I apologize, as few said I have done alot of good on this board, donating to charity, taking people to shows, covering expenses.
I cant believe people on here posted my name and adress that is such crap, not even knowing the whole story to invade someones personal space is crazy. That is equally just as bad, some of the people on this board act so tuff behind their screens.

As far as some of the crap posted, like I used a fake name
seriously when the thread is read correctly you can obviously figure out I didnt, so that is just crap.
I shouldnt have went on vacation until this was taken care of, maybee a phone call would have helped, I honestly didnt have this on my mind, tons of people owe people money its the way of the world, njcpt had other avenues to follow before ruining my name, its been 2 months and that is long, but he shouldnt have wrote the money off, he could easily have contacted me.
The best one is people commenting on my finances, like this was the issue, like I shoudnt have seen 8 shows before this boston show happened, maybee he should have sold these tickets earlier and used paypal if he needed the money quick, I have been in situations with people in here and honestly at least 6 times said i need no money thank you.
AS FAR AS PRIORITES LETS FACE IT TRAVELLING TO PJ SHOWS IN GENERAL IS A CLEAR EXAMPLE OF NOT HAVING THEM STARIGHT FOR ALL OF US.
As far as me starting another screenname because of this, think about it, why would I want to come on here except for the simple fact of bonding with fans, I have been a member here for almost ten years, made 3 close friends, I am all a sudden going to be a fake person and hide, nah and this place right now at least for the last 3 months has been evil anyway so there is no reason for me to post here, for now anyway. Im sure things will change again.

sorry to bring bad karma to the board
drifting
veddr78
pure and easy
iluv cats
and brad, its nice to know the small amount of time we talked gave you a clear impression of who I am it honestly put a smiole on my face becasue all of these other jokers have 0 idea who any of us are they just assume the worst.
I also mailed a copy of the msg 2 show from 08, which is a show where I took a fan to for free, and in return he burned me this cd i gave to njcpt.

gobrowns19

Hey, you're not the first person people got nasty at and suddenly judged. At least the guy took your address down and didn't put up your phone number like someone else. I feel a little bad being represented by the same people who like to judge just like this. There were some nasty things said.

The important thing is that it's cleared up.

Mrs.Vedder78

I never thought for a second you had bad intentions and I'm glad this is clear my friend!

You can count on me anytime!

Urs,

norm

k

over bends

ooo drama.

nowayimfaithfull

Yeah still sucks though, my judgement gets flawed alot, I understand the guys worries but in my mind I would have handeled it differantly, but the key hear is my mind, not everyone thinks the same, and that creates problems in here for me.
but thievery is not something I can relate too. I will never buy anything like this again, I wish we could have met for this transaction.

pjtradeking

I was one of the first people to say that I thought you had kicked karma in the ass on this. I was a bit saddened that I thought you had gone wayward as I had seen it happen to others I know.
That said, I was reserving judgment until you got back and cleared this up. Not that I think you need ANY confirmation from me or anyone else here, but I APPRECIATE that fact that you are coming in with a good frame of mind and EXPLAINING your side rather than lashing out. I beleive EVERY WORD you said, and on behalf of MYSELF PERSONALLY I woud like to appologize to you for being so quick to think it had all gone bad. I would deal with you ANYTIME....I am sorry....SINCERELY!!! scott

LukinFan

pjtradeking wrote:

I was one of the first people to say that I thought you had kicked karma in the ass on this. I was a bit saddened that I thought you had gone wayward as I had seen it happen to others I know.
That said, I was reserving judgment until you got back and cleared this up. Not that I think you need ANY confirmation from me or anyone else here, but I APPRECIATE that fact that you are coming in with a good frame of mind and EXPLAINING your side rather than lashing out. I beleive EVERY WORD you said, and on behalf of MYSELF PERSONALLY I woud like to appologize to you for being so quick to think it had all gone bad. I would deal with you ANYTIME....I am sorry....SINCERELY!!! scott

no one cared what you said or wrote anyway, so I wouldn't worry about it

walkunafraid

Am I the only one who has no idea what this guy is talking about?

restlesssoul

nice to have it all cleared up, that other thread was a good read anyways.....

LukinFan

walkunafraid wrote:

Am I the only one who has no idea what this guy is talking about?

haha, it was a little confusing

pjtradeking

LukinFan wrote:

no one cared what you said or wrote anyway, so I wouldn't worry about it

:eek: DAAUUM!!!

LukinFan

pjtradeking wrote:

:eek: DAAUUM!!!

haha

pjtradeking

LukinFan wrote:

haha

And I was ACTUALLY sitting here ABOUT to copy the 8-13 EV show for you...I am so hurt right now!

LukinFan

pjtradeking wrote:

And I was ACTUALLY sitting here ABOUT to copy the 8-13 EV show for you...I am so hurt right now!

haha, did I say pjtradeking- I meant creedtradeking- my bad

innocent mistake

pjtradeking

LukinFan wrote:

haha, did I say pjtradeking- I meant creedtradeking- my bad

innocent mistake

OH NO you didnt!! hahaha...

You should prob pm me your addy (since I lost the F-ing thing again) before I change my mind and I MIGHT be able to get this in the mail on thursday! BASTARD!!

LukinFan

pjtradeking wrote:

OH NO you didnt!! hahaha...

You should prob pm me your addy (since I lost the F-ing thing again) before I change my mind and I MIGHT be able to get this in the mail on thursday! BASTARD!!

haha- PM about to be sent

nowayimfaithfull

pjtradeking wrote:

I was one of the first people to say that I thought you had kicked karma in the ass on this. I was a bit saddened that I thought you had gone wayward as I had seen it happen to others I know.
That said, I was reserving judgment until you got back and cleared this up. Not that I think you need ANY confirmation from me or anyone else here, but I APPRECIATE that fact that you are coming in with a good frame of mind and EXPLAINING your side rather than lashing out. I beleive EVERY WORD you said, and on behalf of MYSELF PERSONALLY I woud like to appologize to you for being so quick to think it had all gone bad. I would deal with you ANYTIME....I am sorry....SINCERELY!!! scott

COOL, I honestly after thinking about this from all corners,to assume all that said trades are bad sometimes comunication from emails doesn not always work, in my case I only check my comcast accounts when I know something is coming, so i was at fault there, becasue if i did this would have never happened.

nowayimfaithfull

restlesssoul wrote:

nice to have it all cleared up, that other thread was a good read anyways.....

just think about how good it could have been if I was home.

LONGRD

I was one of those who criticized your priorities, so I apologize.
I mentioned that I've never had any problems with trades/sales here, so I'm glad it was just a big comunication issue and nothing more. Glad things cleared up.

yosi1

I always knew noway was a huge asshole

on2legs

Nothin for nothin, but... You stiffed the guy for 2 months.

I would have been pissed off too.

Dude... you're an adult. Take some responsibility and pay the guy. When you buy something from someone, especially another fan, make sure you pay them back in a timely manner. He's not Visa or Mastercard - you're not supposed to carry a balance with him and pay it off over time.

I agree a lot of the comments in that thread got carried away, but the bottom line is that the guy shouldn't have had to chase you around for the cash. Just because you helped the dude out and bought the tickets from him at the last minute doesn't mean that you can take your time paying him back.

BTW... did I miss it somewhere in your post or did it say that you actually paid the guy back yet?

Sprunkn7

Two months is too long.
Nice to put up a post about the debacle but you could have just said "I should have taken it more seriously" and left it at that. Kinda sorta passing it onto your wife and making it kinda sorta her fault was a lame excuse. "I thought she took care of that" is always a bad way of saying "it wasn't me".


Being passed all that crap... hope you had a good time in Disney! Sorry to know about your trip but apparently nothing is sacred around here!

PureandEasy

Rich, I’ve made it very clear that this place is not what it used to be and I’ve shown it by not coming here nearly as often as I used to. The only reason I do is to catch up with some of the friends I’ve made from across the world and to make sure I don’t miss any big PJ news.

I too have been a part of this board for ten years now and it is has been quite sad to see the direction it has taken. It used to be a community of people that shared the same passion for a band and in turn shared a sense of kinship toward each other.

Unfortunately, it appears it has been overcome with a bunch of immature, nasty people that seemingly don’t know how to interact with others and are so ready to insult someone at the drop of hat.

It really is quite sad.



See you at the next PJ show, whenever that may be.

IamMine

PureandEasy wrote:

Rich, I’ve made it very clear that this place is not what it used to be and I’ve shown it by not coming here nearly as often as I used to. The only reason I do is to catch up with some of the friends I’ve made from across the world and to make sure I don’t miss any big PJ news.

I too have been a part of this board for ten years now and it is has been quite sad to see the direction it has taken. It used to be a community of people that shared the same passion for a band and in turn shared a sense of kinship toward each other.

Unfortunately, it appears it has been overcome with a bunch of immature, nasty people that seemingly don’t know how to interact with others and are so ready to insult someone at the drop of hat.

It really is quite sad.



See you at the next PJ show, whenever that may be.

You know...I was just talking to a friend over the phone the other day about that.

[snip]

We couldn't believe how worst it had gotten and how far some folks would go on the internet.

Reputations were made and destroyed just like that.

I've learned to at least stand back and making assessments of what's really going on instead of taking sides.

[snip]

I realized after talking to my friend - it is not just the internet, but also that is how politics work and people are picking that up.

I also learned that people almost always have an agenda.

It's sad. :(


We just have to remind people and even drop in positive comments from time to time to let everyone know that there are indeed good people out there with good intentions.

EDIT: Sorry...just realized that i do not want to bring anyone else into this thread...if i was found.

PureandEasy

IamMine wrote:

You know...I was just talking to a friend over the phone the other day about that.

[snip]

We couldn't believe how worst it had gotten and how far some folks would go on the internet.

Reputations were made and destroyed just like that.

I've learned to at least stand back and making assessments of what's really going on instead of taking sides.

[snip]

I realized after talking to my friend - it is not just the internet, but also that is how politics work and people are picking that up.

I also learned that people almost always have an agenda.

It's sad. :(


We just have to remind people and even drop in positive comments from time to time to let everyone know that there are indeed good people out there with good intentions.

EDIT: Sorry...just realized that i do not want to bring anyone else into this thread...if i was found.

and there is one of the friends I've made on this board and have had the pleasure of enjoying a few shows with her and her hubby over the years.

I think some people are a product of the times in that it is too easy to hide behind a computer screen and therefore, it gives you some kind of comfort in being able to say whatever you want regardless of who gets hurt - because you don't have to know who they really are or what they're really about

I also fear that as a result of this, people are going to lose one of the most important skills one can have in life and that is the ability to communicate with others - on a personal level.

that being said, RVM is on the radio right now and I am thorougly enjoying it

how's that for staying positive?

nowayimfaithfull

On2Legs wrote:

Nothin for nothin, but... You stiffed the guy for 2 months.

I would have been pissed off too.

Dude... you're an adult. Take some responsibility and pay the guy. When you buy something from someone, especially another fan, make sure you pay them back in a timely manner. He's not Visa or Mastercard - you're not supposed to carry a balance with him and pay it off over time.

I agree a lot of the comments in that thread got carried away, but the bottom line is that the guy shouldn't have had to chase you around for the cash. Just because you helped the dude out and bought the tickets from him at the last minute doesn't mean that you can take your time paying him back.

BTW... did I miss it somewhere in your post or did it say that you actually paid the guy back yet?

Its this that rubs me the wrong way. The guy did not chase me around, he sent 1 measage when he had my phone number, he also told me in his original measage that it wasnt a big deal when I mailed the money, this would have been my aproach I still have people on here that owe me from 2 years ago, even in his last measage he mentioned getting togehter for a ed solo show, and tht was it. Look I said Iwas sorry, I mailed him a check and sent him a copy of msg 2 08, I completeley understand I was wrong in assuming my way of handling money isnt always the same as others, the problem here is there was no thievery intened, and I never set out to stiff anyone so I didnt see it that way, so again my fault for being lazy and not on top of it. The fact of the matter is how nasty people are on here. And how long it tokk to be locked and not only till I came home was the post removed after I sent kat a reply that had me name and location in it, it had my wife worried.

1 person went as far as to call me an irrisponsible father and a fraud and a thief who shoul be bashed on hewre everyday and called me a scumbag.
another went as far as to bash my friend and acuse him of being me, and another said as far as an irrigation bussiness owner I am a fraud becasue I took a vacation in august. In new jersey people do not spend money in august is always slow, they go down the shore.
So I think these comments are rediculous, they ar so rediculous it hasnt kept me from showing my face on here, it just sucks this board has dropped to this.

Get_Right

see what happens when you send a woman to do a mans job?
thats a long explanation for something very simple
you took too long and were too cavalier about tickets you agreed to pay for

share

I would have just let you keep the money and put it towards some
literacy lessons.

But seriously folks, why even give a rodents puckered starfish what
anyone here thinks?
I sincerely hope you are not losing any sleep because of this.

nowayimfaithfull

share wrote:

I would have just let you keep the money and put it towards some
literacy lessons.

But seriously folks, why even give a rodents puckered starfish what
anyone here thinks?
I sincerely hope you are not losing any sleep because of this.

Than why would you go out of your way to break balls if nobody here cares, you obviously do it to look cool, so you obviously care. And the previous thread was 12 pages long, this is my response, now why besides maybee 1 reply or 2 do we need to go back and forth except for the reason of bashing.
I was sorry, way to lazy in straightening out my affairs and this is my response to 12 pages of crap. I will never again do anything over this measage board that is not handled in person.

PureandEasy

It really is a shame that other thread got so ridiculously ugly.

But don't sweat it noway.

and keeping in what IamMine said, RELEASE is on MMR now. This is SWEEEET.

happy day