Man found NOT-GUILTY (acquitted) on FAILURE TO FILE INCOME TAX RETURN ! ! !

soulsinging

CorporateWhore wrote:

We may get services back in the form of the military and police, but the majority of our taxes goes toward entitlements and welfare. We never see a dime of that spending and the people who receive it are no better off.

awww, it's so cute to see the poor neocons tremble at the mention of that most fearsome and horrid monster from their childhood, the one their daddy whispered into their ear about as they sat on his knee eating from that silver spoon, the awesome, terror-inspiring WELFARE QUEEN!!!! those evil witches, the dregs of our society, lazy and corpulent, laying around the house and laughing as they lounge in their palatial ghetto dwellings and cash checks provided by the hard labor of trust fund babies.

onelongsong

DriftingByTheStorm wrote:

Well then HELL YEAH.
(truthfully, i was wondering that myself, but had read on another website something about the government "would probably appeal" ... which i foolishly believed)

ANYHOW...

Here is a VERY unofficial transcript of the court case ! ! !

CASE TRANSCRIPT (sort of): http://edbrownextendedentries.blogspot.com/2007/07/tom-cryers-trial-summary.html

if i were representing the government; i may strengthen the case and charge him with one of the charges that were dropped. they can do that because he wasn't TRIED for that offence and therefore not aquitted. thus the reason for dropping charges when your case is in trouble. the government gets loopholes too.

RolandTD20Kdrummer

http://www.detaxcanada.org/

OutOfBreath

Cosmo wrote:

I don't mind paying my share of taxes. I mean, i happen to like the idea of traffic lights and paved highways and cops and firefighters and soldiers.
And I also don't mind if some of my taxes goes to someone who needs a hot meal. I earn enough to the point of if I'm hungry, i pop down to the local taco stand and eat. I don't concern myself with how another person got to the point where he or she is hungry... I concern myself with getting them a meal.
And i also like the idea of my taxes going to fund maintenance and upgrades to B-2 Bombers. I know... B-2 don't serve a purpose against terrorists or insurgents, but, even though I hope it doesn't happen... I don't discount that possibility of one of the big boys like Russia or China wanting to wage war against us. If it does happens, I'll be glad we have those B-2. If it doesn't happen... I'd like to think the threat of those B-2 were on the minds of their military strategists.

A sensible attitude. For me, you can hold a lot of that military hardware out of it. But I do see some need for a military.

The point is nevertheless that things like this have to be covered somehow, like taxes. In a perfect world taxes wouldn't be mandatory, but a perfect world wouldn't have war or need for a military either, so...

Peace
Dan

DriftingByTheStorm

Tom Cryer has a website, liefreezone.com, and he has a contact box.
I sent him an email, asking if he intended to update the website with the information on his recent WIN in court.

GOD BLESS THIS GENTLEMAN, HE RESPONDED (and quickly):

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Hi, Nick,

As soon as this avalanche I'm riding comes to a stop I'm going to climb off and update that web site.

You can get a pretty good account of the way the case went by going to http://www.republicbroadcasting.org and clicking archives. Larry Becraft's show of July 14 and my show of July 14 were both devoted to recapping the events of the trial.

Thanks,

Tom

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Yay.
A recap is available, straight from the horse's fucking mouth!

DriftingByTheStorm

Tom Cryer Speaks On His Win

Is anyone here curious as to if they actually are LIABLE for Personal Income Tax?

Check the United States Code ... Read all of Title 26 ... find ANY SECTION that "IMPOSES LIABILITY" on YOU for income tax.

I CAN NOT find it ...

and lets be clear ... i am not asking you to find a section that "IMPOSES A TAX" ... there is definately that ... but for EVERY OTHER TAX there is a section that "imposes a tax" and a compliment section that "HOLDS [PERSON\CORPORATION X] LIABLE" for that tax

clever little scheme it is.

EyesForTheSkies

know1 wrote:

I wish I could figure out how to quit playing taxes.

it's easy, just dont


when they come to you to try to make you, simply ask them to show you the statute in place saying you have to...

-all federal taxes have to be apportioned to be legal, the income tax is not apportioned, hence it is not legal...

-the ammendment wasn't even ratified by enough states to be passed...

-there is no law anywhere saying you have to pay a federal income tax...
(state income taxes i'm sure are much more solid and thus unavoidable)

CorporateWhore

But what about all of the poor people on medicaid and medicare that you're denying money to? What about the welfare recipients who will starve because you refuse to pay your income taxes?

Boo hoo!! :(!!

JOEJOEJOE

CorporateWhore wrote:

But what about all of the poor people on medicaid and medicare that you're denying money to? What about the welfare recipients who will starve because you refuse to pay your income taxes?

Boo hoo!! :(!!

what about those of us who will have to pay even more in taxes because of those who choose not to pay theirs?

The more taxes that go unpaid, the govt goes deeper into debt.

Medicare is not just for poor people...many seniors use it as well.

Do you think Cryer really has credibility?

If his views were correct, don't you think someone would have prevailed many years ago, and, as a result, don't you think Congress would have closed the loophole?

g under p

OOOH MY GOODNESS this sounds great especially since I still haven't filed my taxes from last year!

Peace
Earle

CorporateWhore

Man, even though he has billions of dollars, I'm surprised Bill Gates hasn't figured this one out! He could be saving millions! Why haven't you told him about this yet??

LOL

DriftingByTheStorm

EyesForTheSkies wrote:

-there is no law anywhere saying you have to pay a federal income tax...
(state income taxes i'm sure are much more solid and thus unavoidable)

Lets be clear about this.

1. State income tax laws are not necessarily more solid. In fact, most state income tax laws start with a phrase that begins something like "For a citizen of the state of [X] who during the last year was liable for Federal income tax, there is hereby imposed a tax on the income of ..."

2. There is no law making you liable to pay Federal income tax.

I challenge ANYONE to find ANY statute in the United States Code (or fuck it, try the Code of Federal Regulations too, if you want (even though the CFR technicaly is NOT law, just rules pertaining to the laws set forth in the USC) that holds you liable to pay tax...

I have done this research ... i read every goddamn relevant section of the USC ... and there is only ONE section relevant, it is United States Code: Title 26 - Internal Revenue Code: Subtitle A - Income Taxes: Chapter 1 - Normal Taxes & Surtaxes

I'll give you a BIG fucking hint where to start .... Subchapter A - Determination of Tax Liability:Part I - Tax on Individuals then click on the little § 1. Tax imposed

Notice the BIG FUCKING LIE in the heading for Subchapter A: Determination of Tax Liability ... notice, that when you click on Subchapter A: Determination of Tax Liability, what you see is the following:
PART I—TAX ON INDIVIDUALS
PART II—TAX ON CORPORATIONS
PART III—CHANGES IN RATES DURING A TAXABLE YEAR
PART IV—CREDITS AGAINST TAX
[PART V—REPEALED]
PART VI—ALTERNATIVE MINIMUM TAX
PART VII—ENVIRONMENTAL TAX
[PART VIII—REPEALED]

The bold section is the ONLY relevant section to YOUR tax liability, assuming like most ordinary Americans, you work for an employer.

Under that bold section, which is Part I of "DETERMING YOUR FUCKING TAX LIABLITY" ... this is ALL you see ... this is IT, people ... THERE IS NO FUCKING LIABILITY ANYWHERE IN HERE:
§ 1. Tax imposed
§ 2. Definitions and special rules
§ 3. Tax tables for individuals
[§ 4. Repealed.]
§ 5. Cross references relating to tax on individuals

Click on 1. ... do it ... READ IT .... yeah yeah ... blah blah blah ... "on the taxable income of [x] there is hereby imposed a tax of the following (read the chart)" ... blah blah blah ...

Huh? IS THAT FUCKING CURIOUS ?

Under "DETERMINING TAX LIABILITY" there is NOT EVEN ONE FEEBLE MENTION of LIABILITY ... it just goes straight in to IMPOSING a tax ... but hey ... they don't even impose the tax on "YOU" ... it's on your ... GASP ... TAXABLE INCOME ...

well, WHAT THE FUCK IS MY TAXABLE INCOME?

I thought i was supposed to be determining MY GODDAMN TAX LIABLILITY ... afterall ... i did click on the fucking section entitled ... determining YOUR tax LIABLILITY ...

You imposed a tax ... but i guess i'm not liable to pay it ... because besides not enumerating any liability, you DID NOT EVEN IMPOSE A TAX ON ME ... you imposed it on my TAXABLE income ... WHICH I STILL DON'T KNOW WHICH PORTION OF IS TAXABLE ... since your tricky bitch ass never assigned ANY of my income or my person a LIABILITY ...

son of a bitch!

Also notice, that in the IRS's OWN bullshit PDF, which HAS NO MARKINGS, SIGNATURE, STAMP, SEAL, DATE, or any other official markings on it ... The Truth About Frivolous Tax Arguments ... notice they make NO MENTION of THIS SPECIFIC ARGUMENT ... which is, namely ... the entire United States Code FAILS TO IMPOSE A LIABILITY UPON YOU to pay any fucking tax.


Now, can any lawyers on here make sense of this?
I just found it through Wikipedia:
Subject:

RIP: The Federal Income Tax Officially DIED today (3/27/2007)

RolandTD20Kdrummer

CorporateWhore wrote:

Man, even though he has billions of dollars, I'm surprised Bill Gates hasn't figured this one out! He could be saving millions! Why haven't you told him about this yet??

LOL

I seriously doubt he's up late at night with a pencil and a 1040. He pays accountants to handle this who work for the government most likely.

For a company that huge, the audits would be non-stop.

onelongsong

isn't it funny how the people on here who agree to pay MORE taxes to provide socialized medicine are curious about how to aviod taxes all together?
i think people don't like how their taxes are being spent and that's why they don't want to pay. that and a few other laws. like social security being able to tell you you have sufficient money and therefore are not entitled to receive the money YOU paid in. if you do get it; it's a fraction of what you made so seniors are given just enough to starve slower.
instead of taking the citizens that an illegal snuck into the country to birth; we let them stay and provide them with social services. the child should be taken by cps and placed for adoption; and the felons that came here illegally; sent back.
so when the government starts spending money to help americans; americans will pay taxes. IMO.

onelongsong

RolandTD20Kdrummer wrote:

I seriously doubt he's up late at night with a pencil and a 1040. He pays accountants to handle this who work for the government most likely.

For a company that huge, the audits would be non-stop.

the bigger the company the less frequent the audits. mostly because of man power. auditing also only covers what's written down. books can say one thing yet reality can be another. what i think it comes down to is that a big company got that way by learning how to hide money. the smaller companies are more likely to get caught.

Mr. Cateeto

The income tax is the biggest farce in American history.

This is also required viewing:

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-1656880303867390173&q=freedom+to+fascism&total=1014&start=0&num=10&so=0&type=search&plindex=0

onelongsong

did you ever notice: When you put the two words "The" and "IRS" together, it spells
"THEIRS"?

Abookamongstthemany

onelongsong wrote:

did you ever notice: When you put the two words "The" and "IRS" together, it spells
"THEIRS"?

You're on a roll today.

onelongsong

Abookamongstthemany wrote:

You're on a roll today.

are you referring to the bottled water thread? that was good too. sometimes you never see what's in front of you.