All Christmas trees removed from Sea-Tac Airport

aNiMaLaNiMaL Posts: 7,117
edited December 2006 in A Moving Train
http://www.king5.com/topstories/stories/NW_120906WABxmastreesEL.11b0d0cc.html

Xmas trees removed from Sea-Tac

05:57 PM PST on Saturday, December 9, 2006

By KIM HOLCOMB / KING 5 News

SEA-TAC Airport - All of the Christmas trees inside the terminal at Sea-Tac have been removed in response to a complaint by a rabbi.

A local rabbi wanted to install an 8-foot menorah and have a public lighting ceremony. He threatened to sue if the menorah wasn’t put up, and gave a two-day deadline to remove the trees.

Sea-Tac public affairs manager Terri-Ann Betancourt said the trees that adorn the Sea-Tac upper and lower levels may not properly represent all cultures.

She said that since this is their busiest time of year and they don't have time to add a fair representation of all cultures, her department decided to take down all of the decorations, review their policies, and decide if they need to make a change for next year.

"You know, our focus is on customer service, getting our passengers through the airport, and we thought if we could take the trees down and avoid litigation because we don't want to littigate with this individual, we want to reach some kind of solution," Betancourt said. "But that is going to take some thoughtful discussion and we would like to have time to have that thoughtful discussion."

Until then, no Christmas decor at Sea-Tac.

The same decorations have been put up for at least 10 years, she added.
Post edited by Unknown User on
«134

Comments

  • aNiMaLaNiMaL Posts: 7,117
    http://www.thenewstribune.com/news/updates/story/6275154p-5474799c.html

    Six ‘holiday trees’ at Sea-Tac Airport come down

    John Gillie, The News Tribune
    Published: December 9th, 2006 10:09 PM
    It might be the Christmas season, but don’t look for any Christmas trees in the public areas at Sea-Tac Airport.

    Graveyard-shift work crews pulled down half a dozen of what the airport called “holiday trees” at the airport early Saturday after a religious leader complained that the trees gave unfair recognition to a Christian holiday.

    The trees, all artificial, were located on the canopies over each of the outside ticketing level entries to the airport. Another tree had been on display in the airport’s new Gina Marie Lindsey arrival hall on the south end of the ticketing lobby.

    “The trees were all old – perhaps as much as a decade old – and they were showing their age anyway,” said Sea-Tac spokeswoman Deanna Zachrisson. The trees were decorated with nonreligious ornaments and most were unlighted. The airport had displayed the trees for many years without hearing a protest.

    The trees became an issue after Rabbi Elazar Bogomilsky, affiliated with the Central Organization for Jewish Education Lubavitch, asked the airport to display an 8-foot tall menorah in the arrival hall beside the holiday tree and to allow a ceremony for the lighting of the menorah. The Jewish outreach organization sponsors humanitarian, educational and social activities. It is one of a network of 2,700 Chabad centers worldwide.

    The menorah is a large candelabra whose lighting recalls the victory some 2,200 years ago of the Jewish community over Syrian rule of Israel and over Syrian repression of the Jewish faith.

    The Port of Seattle felt that allowing such a clearly religious symbol to be displayed in the airport might violate constitutional prohibitions about mixing church and state, said Terri-Ann Betancourt, the airport’s chief spokesperson. The airport thus turned down Bogomilsky’s request. The rabbi hired a lawyer, who threatened to file a federal civil rights suit over the display of the “holiday trees,” she said.

    “We want to be respectful of all religions,” said Betancourt. “We didn’t want to get into litigation with a religious group over this issue. We would rather deal with the issue after the holidays when we can talk with all those who are concerned in an unhurried manner,” she said.

    Thus, the airport removed the offending trees. Port of Seattle commissioners were briefed on the issue and didn’t disagree with how it was being handled.

    While the holiday decorations are down in the public areas, the airport wasn’t stripped bare of any signs of the Christmas season, said Zachrisson. Airlines, restaurants and vendors who lease space from the airport are free to post whatever holiday decorations they choose, she said. Many have decorated their ticket counters with holiday fare.

    Betancourt speculated that since the trees were nearing the end of their lives anyway, when the airport buys new decorations, it won’t be more trees.

    “I suspect you’ll be seeing a lot of snowmen and snowflakes,” she said. As head of the Pacific Northwest Friends of Chabad-Lubavitch, Rabbi Bogomilsky last year sponsored the lighting and display of a menorah aboard a naval warship, the USS Ford, at the Naval Station Everett. Sailors also festooned the ship with Christmas decorations.

    Attempts to reach Rabbi Bogomilsky were unsuccessful.

    John Gillie: 253-597-8663 john.gillie@thenewstribune.com
  • I hope Bill-O is ready for another long battle in the War On Christmas, Rabbi Fuckface has dealt another blow for the evildoers.
    hate was just a legend
  • flywallyflyflywallyfly Posts: 1,453
    Tell me it's not so !! No trees in the airport, holy shit !! I cannot go on anymore. Christmas has lost all meaning if I dont see a tree in the airport.
  • ryan198ryan198 Posts: 1,015
    Tell me it's not so !! No trees in the airport, holy shit !! I cannot go on anymore. Christmas has lost all meaning if I dont see a tree in the airport.
    haha no shit...meanwhile let me get back to wal-mart to do my santa shopping.
  • darkcrowdarkcrow Posts: 1,102
    this is rather sad. it is christmas and therefore there should be christmas trees. i dont see how a tree can offend people. i am not a christian but i am glad to say we put up our christmas tree and decorations a few weeks ago. we shall also be celebrating christmas, not in a christian sense, but as a festive period where friends and family get together, eat drink and be merry and so on.
    HAPPY CHRISTMAS EVERYONE :D
  • jlew24asujlew24asu Posts: 10,118
    darkcrow wrote:
    this is rather sad. it is christmas and therefore there should be christmas trees. i dont see how a tree can offend people. i am not a christian but i am glad to say we put up our christmas tree and decorations a few weeks ago. we shall also be celebrating christmas, not in a christian sense, but as a festive period where friends and family get together, eat drink and be merry and so on.
    HAPPY CHRISTMAS EVERYONE :D


    and Merry Christmas to you my friend
  • know1know1 Posts: 6,794
    aNiMaL wrote:
    http://www.king5.com/topstories/stories/NW_120906WABxmastreesEL.11b0d0cc.html

    Xmas trees removed from Sea-Tac

    05:57 PM PST on Saturday, December 9, 2006

    By KIM HOLCOMB / KING 5 News

    SEA-TAC Airport - All of the Christmas trees inside the terminal at Sea-Tac have been removed in response to a complaint by a rabbi.

    A local rabbi wanted to install an 8-foot menorah and have a public lighting ceremony. He threatened to sue if the menorah wasn’t put up, and gave a two-day deadline to remove the trees.

    Sea-Tac public affairs manager Terri-Ann Betancourt said the trees that adorn the Sea-Tac upper and lower levels may not properly represent all cultures.

    She said that since this is their busiest time of year and they don't have time to add a fair representation of all cultures, her department decided to take down all of the decorations, review their policies, and decide if they need to make a change for next year.

    "You know, our focus is on customer service, getting our passengers through the airport, and we thought if we could take the trees down and avoid litigation because we don't want to littigate with this individual, we want to reach some kind of solution," Betancourt said. "But that is going to take some thoughtful discussion and we would like to have time to have that thoughtful discussion."

    Until then, no Christmas decor at Sea-Tac.

    The same decorations have been put up for at least 10 years, she added.


    I told you Christmas trees were unconstitutional. Now if they really have no religious meaning, why would someone from another faith be offended by them?
    The only people we should try to get even with...
    ...are those who've helped us.

    Right 'round the corner could be bigger than ourselves.
  • CollinCollin Posts: 4,931
    know1 wrote:
    I told you Christmas trees were unconstitutional. Now if they really have no religious meaning, why would someone from another faith be offended by them?

    Not again.
    THANK YOU, LOSTDAWG!


    naděje umírá poslední
  • i sort of wanted to do a post called "the rabbi who stole christmas"but that really isnt what happened

    the rabbi is mad aboutthe trees coming down and wants them back up as well as menorah

    the rabbi seems like a great guy
  • CHRISTMAS IS A NATIONAL holiday on government calenders and a paid hoiliday for goverment workers!!!

    so what will jerk-stupid adl do about that??!!

    and all jews dont like the adl either
  • enharmonicenharmonic Posts: 1,917
    They should have let the rabbi sue. It would have been an interesting case of more PC sensationalism that does nothing to advance either religion, and further intertwines the state and organized religion, thus exposing the reality...that there is no true separation of church and state.

    Though allowing the Menorah would most certainly assure that the terrorists would stay out of my airport for the holidays, thus making my commute that much easier.
  • surferdudesurferdude Posts: 2,057
    the rabbi seems like a great guy
    This does not seem like a great guy to me, "A local rabbi wanted to install an 8-foot menorah and have a public lighting ceremony. He threatened to sue if the menorah wasn’t put up, and gave a two-day deadline to remove the trees."
    “One good thing about music,
    when it hits you, you feel to pain.
    So brutalize me with music.”
    ~ Bob Marley
  • chopitdownchopitdown Posts: 2,222
    know1 wrote:
    I told you Christmas trees were unconstitutional. Now if they really have no religious meaning, why would someone from another faith be offended by them?

    b/c people look for reasons to be offended and some people aren't happy unless they are a)pissed off or b)making other people upset.
    make sure the fortune that you seek...is the fortune that you need
  • bootlegger10bootlegger10 Posts: 15,946
    Thanks liberals and the ACLU. This is what you wanted right? Can't even put up a damn Christmas tree without the threat of lawsuit. Freedom, talkin' bout freedom.
  • bootlegger10bootlegger10 Posts: 15,946
    enharmonic wrote:
    They should have let the rabbi sue. It would have been an interesting case of more PC sensationalism that does nothing to advance either religion, and further intertwines the state and organized religion, thus exposing the reality...that there is no true separation of church and state.

    Though allowing the Menorah would most certainly assure that the terrorists would stay out of my airport for the holidays, thus making my commute that much easier.

    The rabbi would have won, which is really pathetic.
  • enharmonicenharmonic Posts: 1,917
    surferdude wrote:
    This does not seem like a great guy to me, "A local rabbi wanted to install an 8-foot menorah and have a public lighting ceremony. He threatened to sue if the menorah wasn’t put up, and gave a two-day deadline to remove the trees."

    That was what I picked up on right away too.

    Another missed opportunity to negotiate IMO.

    In other news, rabbi demands that Southwest Airlines replace Christmas cookies on all domestic flights with gefilte fish. :p
  • Who the fuck honestly cares?

    When the fuck are we going to just enjoy eachother's cultures instead of trying to compete with them?
    Come on pilgrim you know he loves you..

    http://www.wishlistfoundation.org

    Oh my, they dropped the leash.



    Morgan Freeman/Clint Eastwood 08' for President!

    "Make our day"
  • chopitdownchopitdown Posts: 2,222
    Who the fuck honestly cares?

    When the fuck are we going to just enjoy eachother's cultures instead of trying to compete with them?

    this is the culture we've created. I'll sue if I don't like what's happening...no matter how asinine the situation.
    make sure the fortune that you seek...is the fortune that you need
  • surferdude wrote:
    This does not seem like a great guy to me, "A local rabbi wanted to install an 8-foot menorah and have a public lighting ceremony. He threatened to sue if the menorah wasn’t put up, and gave a two-day deadline to remove the trees."

    2 days? news i saw didnt say that

    so who is lieing?
  • Would it have hurt to let the rabbi install the menorah and keep the tree? What if he did all the work himself? I'm sure the jewish customers would have appreciated it. I don't think the rabbi should have gotten so worked up about it. But the airport kinda overreacted, too.
    If you want to tell people the truth, make them laugh, otherwise they'll kill you.

    Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth.
    -Oscar Wilde
  • enharmonicenharmonic Posts: 1,917
    This story also begs the question...who has an 8' tall Menorah laying around? I can understand christmas trees being that big. they're trees...but it seems to me that this is Menorah Major...or perhaps Pimp My Menorah. That's like...the Shaquille O'Neil of Menorah's!

    I can see it now...rabbi rolls up to Sea-Tac with a Menorah that's on dubbs.
  • aNiMaLaNiMaL Posts: 7,117
    darkcrow wrote:
    this is rather sad. it is christmas and therefore there should be christmas trees. i dont see how a tree can offend people. i am not a christian but i am glad to say we put up our christmas tree and decorations a few weeks ago. we shall also be celebrating christmas, not in a christian sense, but as a festive period where friends and family get together, eat drink and be merry and so on.
    HAPPY CHRISTMAS EVERYONE :D
    I agree with you full on, darkcrow.
  • aNiMaLaNiMaL Posts: 7,117
    enharmonic wrote:
    Hahahahahahahaha....that's funny.
  • darkcrow wrote:
    this is rather sad. it is christmas and therefore there should be christmas trees. i dont see how a tree can offend people. i am not a christian but i am glad to say we put up our christmas tree and decorations a few weeks ago. we shall also be celebrating christmas, not in a christian sense, but as a festive period where friends and family get together, eat drink and be merry and so on.
    HAPPY CHRISTMAS EVERYONE :D
    Right on!

    Besides, the holiday is really about the winter solstice anyway,.. Christians adopted it, yeah, but it's still mainly a festive period for everyone. That's why gift giving and big feasts are still a major part of it.
    Come on pilgrim you know he loves you..

    http://www.wishlistfoundation.org

    Oh my, they dropped the leash.



    Morgan Freeman/Clint Eastwood 08' for President!

    "Make our day"
  • boycott seattle -dont fly to seattle for christmas or for any reason until they change

    i saw show last night of the nisqually earthquake and the jerks cant even build a control tower =the jerk inside was being crushed by falling objects off ceiling during earthquake -fools
  • enharmonic wrote:

    God, that's a lot of money to pay for a blow up menorah! The christmas trees are much more charming. The jews need to make them more appealing! :p:D
    If you want to tell people the truth, make them laugh, otherwise they'll kill you.

    Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth.
    -Oscar Wilde
  • Ok, and let's even go back to the fact that the Christmas Trees origin is most likely from Europen Pre-Christian pagan cultures. All of these traditions we hold for so many holiday's have been co-opted and bastardized over the centuries. I don't understand why we just can't enjoy eachothers traditions and not fight over what should be a beautiful time of the year. I completely agree that whoever wants representation in a public place should be allowed that... I just wish we didn't live in such a litigous society so we could resolve these issues without threat of court.
    "Man cannot discover new oceans unless he has the courage to lose sight of the shore."

    10/21/06 & 10/22/06 (Bridge Shows)
  • enharmonicenharmonic Posts: 1,917
    God, that's a lot of money to pay for a blow up menorah! The christmas trees are much more charming. The jews need to make them more appealing! :p:D

    You can get a better deal on a Christmas tree too. It's a conspiracy :D
  • lukin2006lukin2006 Posts: 9,087
    I hope Bill-O is ready for another long battle in the War On Christmas, Rabbi Fuckface has dealt another blow for the evildoers.
    Deport him
    I have certain rules I live by ... My First Rule ... I don't believe anything the government tells me ... George Carlin

    "Life Is What Happens To You When Your Busy Making Other Plans" John Lennon
Sign In or Register to comment.