I think this child is being forced to do it, becasue the adults around him think its the manly thing to do and therefore he did it. I doubt he was happy about it. I also think he will have nightmares and regrets later on.
This is most likely true, unless the kid happens to be a bona fide child psychopath (extremely unlikely, given how rare this state of affairs is).
Just as any other battle weary soldier returning from war?
Quite possibly, yes ... Both terrorists and vets might suffer from PTSD. One kills civilians in response to trauma, the other does not (at least in most cases ... Obviously some soldiers have killed civilians, accidently or intentionally).
I think you should make your point explicitly ... That terrorists aren't so different from soldiers, yes? They ARE different, even if one can understand the terrorists' motivations as stemming from trauma. Many murderers and even hardcore serial killers probably have PTSD. That does not mean that they should not be held legally accountable for commiting homicides. Ditto for terrorists. We can certainly understand and even empathize with these folks to some extent. That does not mean that we need to neglect protecting the public from them.
First of all, I wasn't raped by a step-father, but I surely thought you'd get how it is different. I cannot believe you'd say some young girls enjoy geting raped by their step-fathers!!!!
Second, I don't see how you can connect infant syantogenesis with a 12 year old boy beheading someone.
Morality is formed by age 12.
My own brain was restructure because of trauma emotional) before age 5, and I still know right from wrong. I knew right from wrong probably at age 4. I knew to not behead someone just because I was told to.
I think this child is being forced to do it, becasue the adults around him think its the manly thing to do and therefore he did it. I doubt he was happy about it. I also think he will have nightmares and regrets later on.
I don't think so. Kids beat down their siblings to gain power over them. A 5 year old boy brought a gun to school and shot a girl. It seems like you draw this line at age 19, after that people somehow become immoral? No, morality is not an instinct.
I necessarily have the passion for writing this, and you have the passion for condemning me; both of us are equally fools, equally the toys of destiny. Your nature is to do harm, mine is to love truth, and to make it public in spite of you. - Voltaire
Quite possibly, yes ... Both terrorists and vets might suffer from PTSD. One kills civilians in response to trauma, the other does not (at least in most cases ... Obviously some soldiers have killed civilians, accidently or intentionally).
I think you should make your point explicitly ... That terrorists aren't so different from soldiers, yes? They ARE different, even if one can understand the terrorists' motivations as stemming from trauma. Many murderers and even hardcore serial killers probably have PTSD. That does not mean that they should not be held legally accountable for commiting homicides. Ditto for terrorists. We can certainly understand and even empathize with these folks to some extent. That does not mean that we need to neglect protecting the public from them.
If they are not psychopaths.. then they are not terrorists.
my point exactly is this.. they are soldiers just like us. The fact that they "target civilians" is not a result of some inherent evil - it stems from the fact that they are fighting a much different enemy. They are fighting more than one enemy - at the same time. They are fighting the US invasion and occupation. The US has infinately superior capability - there is no conventional way to fight them - terrorism is the only effective weapon.
From my point of view - a soldier is a soldier.. neither side more evil or less willing to comprimise.. Both sides too busy telling themselves how right they are and how wrong the other is - in an effort to justify the war.
If they are not psychopaths.. then they are not terrorists.
my point exactly is this.. they are soldiers just like us. The fact that they "target civilians" is not a result of some inherent evil - it stems from the fact that they are fighting a much different enemy. They are fighting more than one enemy - at the same time. They are fighting the US invasion and occupation. The US has infinately superior capability - there is no conventional way to fight them - terrorism is the only effective weapon.
From my point of view - a soldier is a soldier.. neither side more evil or less willing to comprimise.. Both sides too busy telling themselves how right they are and how wrong the other is - in an effort to justify the war.
Sorry, but I don't agree. Soldiers have choices about whom to target, they have choices about strategies regarding how to fight an occupation. You still haven't explained to me how killing your Shi'ite or Sunni neighbors (how convienient, BTW) is some kind of effective way to fight the U.S.
I don't know if "evil" is the right word, but there is something that separates someone who shoots at U.S. troops from someone who takes the U.S. presence as an opportunity to avenge some religious or personal slight, or from someone who decides to blow up a car bomb in a crowded market with no U.S. troops for blocks in sight.
Sorry, but I don't agree. Soldiers have choices about whom to target, they have choices about strategies regarding how to fight an occupation. You still haven't explained to me how killing your Shi'ite or Sunni neighbors (how convienient, BTW) is some kind of effective way to fight the U.S.
I don't know if "evil" is the right word, but there is something that separates someone who shoots at U.S. troops from someone who takes the U.S. presence as an opportunity to avenge some religious or personal slight, or from someone who decides to blow up a car bomb in a crowded market with no U.S. troops for blocks in sight.
I necessarily have the passion for writing this, and you have the passion for condemning me; both of us are equally fools, equally the toys of destiny. Your nature is to do harm, mine is to love truth, and to make it public in spite of you. - Voltaire
Sorry, but I don't agree. Soldiers have choices about whom to target, they have choices about strategies regarding how to fight an occupation. You still haven't explained to me how killing your Shi'ite or Sunni neighbors (how convienient, BTW) is some kind of effective way to fight the U.S.
As you aluded in your post, the SHiites and SUnni's are killing each other cause they now can, don't really like each other....typical animal behavior........Now to your question, how does this affect the war with America? Well this sectarian killing is causing instability...it causes our media to focus on it..and most importantly it causes Iraqi's to feel that its the Americans fault, creates resentment and ultimately may help get the US out. This is one of the main reasons anti war folks want us to leave..then they can't use us as an excuse for their actions.
Sorry, but I don't agree. Soldiers have choices about whom to target, they have choices about strategies regarding how to fight an occupation. You still haven't explained to me how killing your Shi'ite or Sunni neighbors (how convienient, BTW) is some kind of effective way to fight the U.S.
I don't know if "evil" is the right word, but there is something that separates someone who shoots at U.S. troops from someone who takes the U.S. presence as an opportunity to avenge some religious or personal slight, or from someone who decides to blow up a car bomb in a crowded market with no U.S. troops for blocks in sight.
Lets say.. that my country - was invaded by superior Iraqi forces - because they felt we needed learn to follow allah. And during the invasion many of my friends and family were killed. and now they patrol my streets - established an islamic government and insisted as soon as we accept their way - the bloodshed would stop.
I am left to keep quiet - go to work and pretend to support those trying to convert the US to Islamic law - or.. join the resistence
The resistance trying to save American culture - and avenge the losses I suffered. If we got some of their soldiers wandering - I'd do things like burn their bodies and hang them from a bridge - to send a clear message that you will not Iraqify my home town.
Now.. lets say there are some neighborhoods that have chosen to give-in and assimilate - to worship allah - and help the invadors bring down the resistence.. lets say they fingered some more of my friends and family - and the Iraqis killed them.
well, these neighborhoods are easier to target - and I'm gonna kill them too.. to send the message that if you help the Iraqis you are my enemy.
now if my town has complete lawlessness - groups would form, - and compete for power.. and the language is violence -
I imagine we'd be killing each other quite a bit..
12 or made to join the army at 18. It all amounts to the same thing. Get taught hate and you can do anything that your black heart desires. From what I know, you don't get tossed into the army to get taught to love the other side that you got drafted to fight against. 12 or 18, just children in a man and woman's world.
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This is most likely true, unless the kid happens to be a bona fide child psychopath (extremely unlikely, given how rare this state of affairs is).
would you say the same about the adults that encouraged him to do it?
I would, actually. Most terrorists are NOT psychopaths, although the vast majority would probably merit some other psychiatric diagnosis.
Just as any other battle weary soldier returning from war?
Quite possibly, yes ... Both terrorists and vets might suffer from PTSD. One kills civilians in response to trauma, the other does not (at least in most cases ... Obviously some soldiers have killed civilians, accidently or intentionally).
I think you should make your point explicitly ... That terrorists aren't so different from soldiers, yes? They ARE different, even if one can understand the terrorists' motivations as stemming from trauma. Many murderers and even hardcore serial killers probably have PTSD. That does not mean that they should not be held legally accountable for commiting homicides. Ditto for terrorists. We can certainly understand and even empathize with these folks to some extent. That does not mean that we need to neglect protecting the public from them.
I don't think so. Kids beat down their siblings to gain power over them. A 5 year old boy brought a gun to school and shot a girl. It seems like you draw this line at age 19, after that people somehow become immoral? No, morality is not an instinct.
If they are not psychopaths.. then they are not terrorists.
my point exactly is this.. they are soldiers just like us. The fact that they "target civilians" is not a result of some inherent evil - it stems from the fact that they are fighting a much different enemy. They are fighting more than one enemy - at the same time. They are fighting the US invasion and occupation. The US has infinately superior capability - there is no conventional way to fight them - terrorism is the only effective weapon.
From my point of view - a soldier is a soldier.. neither side more evil or less willing to comprimise.. Both sides too busy telling themselves how right they are and how wrong the other is - in an effort to justify the war.
Sorry, but I don't agree. Soldiers have choices about whom to target, they have choices about strategies regarding how to fight an occupation. You still haven't explained to me how killing your Shi'ite or Sunni neighbors (how convienient, BTW) is some kind of effective way to fight the U.S.
I don't know if "evil" is the right word, but there is something that separates someone who shoots at U.S. troops from someone who takes the U.S. presence as an opportunity to avenge some religious or personal slight, or from someone who decides to blow up a car bomb in a crowded market with no U.S. troops for blocks in sight.
Don't think like an American, you can't understand Iraqis that way.
http://shoutfile.com/v/jWKm6Ne4/The_Gun_Bazaar_of_Pakistan
Lets say.. that my country - was invaded by superior Iraqi forces - because they felt we needed learn to follow allah. And during the invasion many of my friends and family were killed. and now they patrol my streets - established an islamic government and insisted as soon as we accept their way - the bloodshed would stop.
I am left to keep quiet - go to work and pretend to support those trying to convert the US to Islamic law - or.. join the resistence
The resistance trying to save American culture - and avenge the losses I suffered. If we got some of their soldiers wandering - I'd do things like burn their bodies and hang them from a bridge - to send a clear message that you will not Iraqify my home town.
Now.. lets say there are some neighborhoods that have chosen to give-in and assimilate - to worship allah - and help the invadors bring down the resistence.. lets say they fingered some more of my friends and family - and the Iraqis killed them.
well, these neighborhoods are easier to target - and I'm gonna kill them too.. to send the message that if you help the Iraqis you are my enemy.
now if my town has complete lawlessness - groups would form, - and compete for power.. and the language is violence -
I imagine we'd be killing each other quite a bit..
and I promise you - I am no terrorist.
If you did many of these things you described, you would be. Me? I don't think I'd kill my own people.