overnight bombing raid aimed at civilians

NMyTree

shiraz wrote:

More than several, almost everyone in the media, including arab news channels and even Hizbullah themselfs claimed the same thing, so I don't get why people are still coming up with these twisted facts.

Because it doesn't fit their agenda.

Acknowledging Hizbullah's intrusion into Israel, killing eight Israeli soldiers and kidnapping two; would require them to lay some responsibility on the shoulders of Hizbullah. Apparently, that's something many are allergic to doing.

From what I understand, and you would know better than me. This isn't the first time this has occured, correct? Hizbullah has been in the habit of doing such things (as well as firing rockets into Israel) for a long time now. Long before this recent outburst of violence, correct?

PaperPlates

NMyTree wrote:

Because it doesn't fit their agenda.

Acknowledging Hizbullah's intrusion into Israel, killing eight Israeli soldiers and kidnapping two; would require them to lay some responsibility on the shoulders of Hizbullah. Apparently, that's something many are allergic to doing.

From what I understand, and you would know better than me. This isn't the first time this has occured, correct? Hizbullah has been in the habit of doing such things (as well as firing rockets into Israel) for a long time now. Long before this recent outburst of violence, correct?

They simply underestimated Israel's tolerance of them this time round.

Israel has been poked and prodded for years.

They are fed up.

As they should be.

Poke them enough, long enough, hard enough, any group is gonna get fed up with it.


Ironic that many of the "reasons" Israel has to do what its done, are the same reasons that many Anti-America people out there give for why America "deserves what it got".

What is good for the goose, is rarely if ever good for the gander 'round here.

darkcrow

PaperPlates wrote:

They simply underestimated Israel's tolerance of them this time round.

Israel has been poked and prodded for years.

They are fed up.

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they were only just kicked out of lebenon. they are still subjecting the palistinians to daily torment.... but yeah sure... i guess they need to kick out for once....

NMyTree

Palistinians are not completely without fault and complicity in the neverending conflict with Israel.

It's easy to paint them as strictly victims, but that wouldn't be accurate.

DarkStar

inmytree wrote:

are you implying that there are no other ways to deal with this situation...?

lets expand on this line of thinking...let's say a bank is robbed, the armed robbers are caught inside the bank with 10 civilians....would you support the killing of everyone inside bank..?

you're not really expanding this line of thinking, you're changing all of the circumstances and making it completely different. i'll answer your question anyway...i wouldn't support killing everyone inside your bank scenario.

now to the real issue at hand. how does one deal with terrorists hiding and launching their weapons within a civilian population? are there options other than blasting wherever one sees such weapons being stored and used? sure. record these actions and broadcast them for all the world to see. do not immediately strike back militarily. open a corridor for civilians to leave the area. build a case for international support and intervention.

the use of civilian shields is not anything new...and is specifically forbade in Article 28 of the Fourth Geneva Convention. if the world did not support and intervene whence explicit evidence has been presented that a terrorist force is actively using human shields...then we're all doomed.

ds

bootlegger10

darkcrow wrote:

they were only just kicked out of lebenon. they are still subjecting the palistinians to daily torment.... but yeah sure... i guess they need to kick out for once....

Israel gives Gaza to the Palestians, yet they are still attacked by them. Israel has been the one giving in, and they get nothing in return.

bootlegger10

Milhouse VanHouten wrote:

I'm not taking sides on this, mostly because of the fact that I don't see where either side can claim any kind of justification or moral high ground after the shit they've both pulled.

"Well, they did it too!!"

Sorry, but that's a child's excuse. Hezbollah places their weapons/infrastructure within civilian areas for express purpose of ensuring sympathy-generating civilian casualties. They do this because they KNOW Israel will still strike them. If they're daring Israel to kill Lebanese children and Israel goes ahead and does it, I'm not sure how anyone can make a moral arguement for either side.

Then what do you do? They keep firing missiles while hiding behind civilians. They keep coming across the border and killing Israeli soldiers and then retreating behind their civilians. What does Israel do? Talk? These countries hate Israel, and want Israel's destruction. This is not about money. This is about land and religion. So what is Israel to do besides fight back every once in a while and try to disarm its enemies?

darkcrow

bootlegger10 wrote:

Israel gives Gaza to the Palestians, yet they are still attacked by them. Israel has been the one giving in, and they get nothing in return.

Israel gives gaza? gives? Gaza is not theirs to give. lets not even mention the huge land grab with the security border. how about witholding taxes from the govt becuase hamas won a legitimate election?

bootlegger10

darkcrow wrote:

Israel gives gaza? gives? Gaza is not theirs to give. lets not even mention the huge land grab with the security border. how about witholding taxes from the govt becuase hamas won a legitimate election?

But it's Palestine's to have? The point is that Israel has always been open to negotiation and has been willing to give, while nobody else has.

DarkStar

inmytree wrote:

really...not alike...

let's see....innocent people + bad people in the same area....it's pretty much the same thing....but if you can't expand your thinking, that's ok, just blow it off as a stupid question....that's what the simple do when hard questions are asked....

another question...why do you have to call me a "nut job"...what's that about...? I asked you a simple question that you can't understand...and that makes me a nut job....:rolleyes:

calling you a "nut job" is an ad hominem attack...which is a shame because it's not an honorable tactic. having said that, your bank analogy is not at all "pretty much the same thing" as terrorists hiding and using weapons in a civilian population. "innocent people + bad people in the same area" describes a whole slew of situations...but doesn't incorporate intent, actions, in-actions, and repercussions of actions or in-actions.

ds

darkcrow

bootlegger10 wrote:

But it's Palestine's to have? The point is that Israel has always been open to negotiation and has been willing to give, while nobody else has.

hardly. both sides are guilty of being rather closed-minded, unco-opoperative.

pjalive21

you cannot negotiate with terrorist...they have one goal in mind and that is to eliminate a certain group of people

sorry but you cannot sit down at a table with a peace sign and some kool aid and ask them to stop doing what they are doing because they probably have a bomb strapped to them while they are sitting at the table trying to "negotiate"

or we could just turn away and let Hezbollah do what they do and just eliminate everyone, how does that sound?

bootlegger10

pjalive21 wrote:

or we could just turn away and let Hezbollah do what they do and just eliminate everyone, how does that sound?

Um, that's what most on here want actually. They want the destruction of Israel. It's obvious, because every time Israel is attacked, it is ignored on this board. And the only time Israel-Palestine is mentioned is when Israel defends herself. From that I can only read that most on here want the destruction of Israel, and then America.

pjalive21

bootlegger10 wrote:

From that I can only read that most on here want the destruction of Israel, and then America.

and thats what is going to happen if people keep sympathizing with Hezbollah and other terrorist...

what is it going to take for people to get it? a terrorist act in their back yard?

darkcrow

pjalive21 wrote:

you cannot negotiate with terrorist...they have one goal in mind and that is to eliminate a certain group of people

we (the uk) negotiated quite well with the IRA and now it looks like we have a lasting peace with the IRA activly disarming. they were a group everyone was saying needed to be destroyed, a group that would never negotiate.

shiraz

darkcrow wrote:

we (the uk) negotiated quite well with the IRA and now it looks like we have a lasting peace with the IRA activly disarming. they were a group everyone was saying needed to be destroyed, a group that would never negotiate.

but we had an agreemant in 2000, and Hizbullah, like the IRA, were told to get rid of their arsenal. IRA did it, Hizbullah did the opposite and gained more weapons. They are keep telling their goal is to destroy everyone who is opposing them, including Lebanese politicians & journalists (as they did before).

What really scares me is the fact we can kill them all, but we can't kill their evil ideology.

DarkStar

posted in the wrong thread.

ds

rightondude

PaperPlates wrote:

Noone knows wtf you mean. But Im sure its reaching and grasping at straws, w/e it is you just said. Lay off the cannibis, you're getting progressively less coherent. :(

Me becoming progressivly less coherent to you is actually a compliment. Thanks. Who verifies each dead body as to who they actually were, what they believed, how they acted when they were alive? Then how do they seperate the numbers from that as who is actually hezzbollah?

btw are you a some kind zesty little online "whipper snapper", who has some troubled cause to convey that no one knows about yet?

Milhouse VanHouten

bootlegger10 wrote:

Then what do you do? They keep firing missiles while hiding behind civilians. They keep coming across the border and killing Israeli soldiers and then retreating behind their civilians. What does Israel do? Talk? These countries hate Israel, and want Israel's destruction. This is not about money. This is about land and religion. So what is Israel to do besides fight back every once in a while and try to disarm its enemies?

I don't have an answer for that one. I don't think anyone here does. I know that Israel will continue to do what it's been doing. What I was trying to say is that I find it funny (and not funny ha-ha) when both sides of this conflict claim that they are morally justified when they do these things. When you're killing civilians, you lose any and all claims to the moral high ground, and I don't want to hear that "Hezbollah uses civilians as human shields" bullshit, either. Israel KNOWS that Hezbollah does this, yet they continue to conduct airstrikes in areas with high civilian populations. They launch a strike, civilians die, and then an Israeli military official reminds us that Hezbollah's bases of operation are usually located within areas that hold lots of civilians, and that the loss of innocent life is tragic, but it's Hezbollah's fault etc. It's just a horrible neverending cycle.

thankyougrandma

This board piss me off more and more.

They bomb the building where Hezbollah were hiding, they just used a blast powerfull enough to blow the whole neighbourhood, fucking criminals. "It was a huge mistake" Oh, sorry, i just killed you, it was a mistake, fuckers...