overnight bombing raid aimed at civilians

darkcrow

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/middle_east/5228224.stm

"More than 40 people, including many children, have been killed in an Israeli air strike on the southern Lebanese town of Qana.
Initial reports say families had been sheltering in the basement of a site which was crushed after a direct hit. "

"Israeli Prime Minister Ehud Olmert said earlier that Israel was not in a hurry to agree to a ceasefire until it achieved its goals in the area. "

"Witnesses said the early-morning strike flattened several sites on top of sleeping residents.
One survivor said the "bombing was so intense that no-one could move"."

"Israel's military said it had warned residents of Qana to leave and Hezbollah bore responsibility for using it to fire rockets at the Jewish state.

The BBC's Jim Muir in Qana says many did not have the means - or were too frightened - to flee. "


how does israel and the usa expect to stop hezbollah with attacks like this? they are only suceeding in driving more and more support to hezbollah rather than take them away.

on the news last night Bush said something like... (not exact quote) "i am very sorry for the civilian deaths in lebenon but this is american foreign policy in action."

the "this is american foreign policy in action" part is an exact quote. nice to know that if you are an arab or living in the middle-east you can expect to be targeted becuase its "american foreign policy in action".

channel 4 news did a piece about how the war is being reported in Israel and they found that the papers and tv rarley if ever report on the amount of lebenease have been killed.

rightondude

I've always wondered if the number of Hez resistance are actually killed v.s. normal civilians? Is this independantly verified by a third party?

Why not just blow up an bunch of whatever and say you got some of this..some of that?

I can't imply anything because I don't know. But you know what I mean right?

monkey spanker

its hard to believe that civilians die when terrorist groups hide their munitions and themselves in with the civilian population..oh wait, no its not.

PaperPlates

rightondude wrote:

I've always wondered if the number of Hez resistance are actually killed v.s. normal civilians? Is this independantly verified by a third party?

Why not just blow up an bunch of whatever and say you got some of this..some of that?

I can't imply anything because I don't know. But you know what I mean right?

Noone knows wtf you mean. But Im sure its reaching and grasping at straws, w/e it is you just said. Lay off the cannibis, you're getting progressively less coherent. :(

inmytree

monkey spanker wrote:

its hard to believe that civilians die when terrorist groups hide their munitions and themselves in with the civilian population..oh wait, no its not.

are you implying that there are no other ways to deal with this situation...?

lets expand on this line of thinking...let's say a bank is robbed, the armed robbers are caught inside the bank with 10 civilians....would you support the killing of everyone inside bank..?

PaperPlates

inmytree wrote:

are you implying that there are no other ways to deal with this situation...?

lets expand on this line of thinking...let's say a bank is robbed, the armed robbers are caught inside the bank with 10 civilians....would you support the killing of everyone inside bank..?

If those in the bank intended on blowing it up, most likely in an attempt to kill 300+ around the bank, I would. You say thats having no heart. I say not being able to make that choice, says no brain and no heart.

But wouldnt it be nice if all these radical muslims were just robbing banks?

inmytree

PaperPlates wrote:

If those in the bank intended on blowing it up, most likely in an attempt to kill 300+ around the bank, I would. You say thats having no heart. I say not being able to make that choice, says no brain and no heart.

But wouldnt it be nice if all these radical muslims were just robbing banks?

ha ha ha...nice. adding the terror element and fear...no, this is just a bank robbery...not a tar-or plot...

however, I do find it sad your so quick to kill people...I guess it just goes to show your cold-blooded, self-centered thinking...you are as bad as they are...

it's thinking like this that supports killing...good work...

monkey spanker

inmytree wrote:

are you implying that there are no other ways to deal with this situation...?

you can not negotiate with people that only care about your ultimate destruction. hezbollah does not want peace, their only goal is to wipe out lebanon.

monkey spanker

sorry, double post

inmytree

monkey spanker wrote:

you can not negotiate with people that only care about your ultimate destruction. hezbollah does not want peace, their only goal is to wipe out lebanon.

so, would you be ok with killing those in the bank...?

monkey spanker

inmytree wrote:

so, would you be ok with killing those in the bank...?

surely you see how stupid your question is? the two are in no way anything alike.

just wondering though, how come you nut jobs don't start these threads when a hezzy rocket hits an israeli hospital??

PaperPlates

inmytree wrote:

ha ha ha...nice. adding the terror element and fear...no, this is just a bank robbery...not a tar-or plot...

however, I do find it sad your so quick to kill people...I guess it just goes to show your cold-blooded, self-centered thinking...you are as bad as they are...

it's thinking like this that supports killing...good work...

Ha ha ha , use analogies that aren't even remotely similar to the situation being discussed, HA hah ha ha. I love how you're so quick to let bank robbers kill you. You can critisize me for my "self centered thinking" all you want, Ill be the guy carrying your body out, since you'd obviously be so willing to throw your own body in the way of the bullets, to ensure the safety of those 10 innocents.

You cant make not even closely related analogies to try and make points. In order for an analogy to work, its gotta resemble the situation being dicussed at least a little bit. Just for future reference, oh wise one.

PaperPlates

monkey spanker wrote:

surely you see how stupid your question is? the two are in no way anything alike.

just wondering though, how come you nut jobs don't start these threads when a hezzy rocket hits an israeli hospital??

They're too busy dancing, cha cha cha.

inmytree

monkey spanker wrote:

surely you see how stupid your question is? the two are in no way anything alike.

just wondering though, how come you nut jobs don't start these threads when a hezzy rocket hits an israeli hospital??

really...not alike...

let's see....innocent people + bad people in the same area....it's pretty much the same thing....but if you can't expand your thinking, that's ok, just blow it off as a stupid question....that's what the simple do when hard questions are asked....

another question...why do you have to call me a "nut job"...what's that about...? I asked you a simple question that you can't understand...and that makes me a nut job....:rolleyes:

monkey spanker

inmytree wrote:

really...not alike...

let's see....innocent people + bad people in the same area....it's pretty much the same thing....

uhh, yeah, sure, okay.

inmytree

PaperPlates wrote:

Ha ha ha , use analogies that aren't even remotely similar to the situation being discussed, HA hah ha ha. I love how you're so quick to let bank robbers kill you. You can critisize me for my "self centered thinking" all you want, Ill be the guy carrying your body out, since you'd obviously be so willing to throw your own body in the way of the bullets, to ensure the safety of those 10 innocents.

You cant make not even closely related analogies to try and make points. In order for an analogy to work, its gotta resemble the situation being dicussed at least a little bit. Just for future reference, oh wise one.

ok, killer of the innocent...

you response makes no sense to anything I posted...a typical tactic...justify death and killing, just like the tar-or-ist do...

and the bodybag comment...what the is that? can you attempt to make at least some sense...? you, my dear, are the person who wanted to blow up the bank...so either way, those innocent people in the bank would be dead...

you are quick to kill...you want people dead...you are as bad as a tar-or-ist...

go get 'em, killer...

inmytree

monkey spanker wrote:

uhh, yeah, sure, okay.

you can't see my point or are you ingoring it...

monkey spanker

"you can't see my point or are you ingoring it..."

soorry dude. its just a bad anaolgy. i hope you didn't spend much time thinking it up. you never answered my question either. where are the threads about the hezzys launching rockets at israeli hospitals...are you all just hypocrits or what????

PaperPlates

inmytree wrote:

ok, killer of the innocent...

you response makes no sense to anything I posted...a typical tactic...justify death and killing, just like the tar-or-ist do...

and the bodybag comment...what the is that? can you attempt to make at least some sense...? you, my dear, are the person who wanted to blow up the bank...so either way, those innocent people in the bank would be dead...

you are quick to kill...you want people dead...you are as bad as a tar-or-ist...

go get 'em, killer...

You're cute.

monkey spanker wrote:

"you can't see my point or are you ingoring it..."

soorry dude. its just a bad anaolgy. i hope you didn't spend much time thinking it up. you never answered my question either. where are the threads about the hezzys launching rockets at israeli hospitals...are you all just hypocrits or what????

And the troubling thing is, he probably spent 2 weeks concocting that wonderful analogy.

shiraz

inmytree wrote:

so, would you be ok with killing those in the bank...?

It really is not the same thing, because Hizbullah aren't just threatening the "people inside the bank" (btw, in this case we're talking about people who support them), but it is mainly threatening to kill everyone outside "the bank" and actually is trying its best to do so.

There's no way I'm gonna justifay the killing of these civilians. The only thing I can say is Kana village was knowen as a stronghold of Hizbullah, from where (amongst other places) many missiles were being shot towards northern Israel. This is only an explanation to why the IDF was aimming there in the first place, not a justification to the killing of civilians.

PaperPlates

shiraz wrote:

It really is not the same thing, because Hizbullah aren't just threatening the "people inside the bank" (btw, in this case we're talking about people who support them), but it is mainly threatening to kill everyone outside "the bank" and actually is trying its best to do so.

There's no way I'm gonna justifay the killing of these civilians. The only thing I can say is Kana village was knowen as a stronghold of Hizbullah, from where (amongst other places) many missiles were being shot towards northern Israel. This is only an explanation to why the IDF was aimming there in the first place, not a justification to the killing of civilians.

Don't confuse the poor guy with real life facts. It only makes their analogies get worse.