when peace is a symbol of the devil

prism

betcha she's one of them peace-loving terrorist.....off to Gitmo you shall go Lisa Jensen

mookie blaylock 10

darkcrow wrote:

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20061127/ap_on_re_us/anti_peace_sign

DENVER - A homeowners association in southwestern Colorado has threatened to fine a resident $25 a day until she removes a Christmas wreath with a peace sign that some say is an anti- Iraq war protest or a symbol of Satan.

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Some residents who have complained have children serving in Iraq, said Bob Kearns, president of the Loma Linda Homeowners Association in Pagosa Springs. He said some residents have also believed it was a symbol of Satan. Three or four residents complained, he said.

"Somebody could put up signs that say drop bombs on Iraq. If you let one go up you have to let them all go up," he said in a telephone interview Sunday.

Lisa Jensen said she wasn't thinking of the war when she hung the wreath. She said, "Peace is way bigger than not being at war. This is a spiritual thing."

Jensen, a past association president, calculates the fines will cost her about $1,000, and doubts they will be able to make her pay. But she said she's not going to take it down until after Christmas.

"Now that it has come to this I feel I can't get bullied," she said. "What if they don't like my Santa Claus."

The association in this 200-home subdivision 270 miles southwest of Denver has sent a letter to her saying that residents were offended by the sign and the board "will not allow signs, flags etc. that can be considered divisive."

The subdivision's rules say no signs, billboards or advertising are permitted without the consent of the architectural control committee.

Kearns ordered the committee to require Jensen to remove the wreath, but members refused after concluding that it was merely a seasonal symbol that didn't say anything. Kearns fired all five committee members.

simply insane.

farfromglorified

Abuskedti wrote:

Please do not equate being offended with retaliation.

Then what causes retaliation?

The vast majority of offenses go unavenged.

Yes, they do.

Surely you do not believe the oppressed or "unfree" are free from the burdon of being offended.

To take offense from another's words or actions, you are in action making yourself dependent on them. That's a tie that binds.

has absolutely nothing to do with freedom.

Not true. To take offense requires choice and action, the core foundations of freedom.

Abuskedti

farfromglorified wrote:

Then what causes retaliation?



Yes, they do.



To take offense from another's words or actions, you are in action making yourself dependent on them. That's a tie that binds.



Not true. To take offense requires choice and action, the core foundations of freedom.

if being offended is the foundation of freedom.. then you can be sure that absolutely all human beings are free. Now we can end the war on the so called freedom haters.

farfromglorified

Abuskedti wrote:

if being offended is the foundation of freedom..

No. Choice and action are the foundations of freedom. Offense is simply one of a nearly infinite number of ends.

Vedderlution_Baby

This is stupid.

Collin

hippiemom wrote:

How about just this one guy? The guy that fired the entire committee. His name is even in the article, haha!

Hail the newborn prince of peace!

if you are serious:

Kearns, Robert, & Patricia
855 Saddleback Drive
Pagosa Springs, CO 81147-7858

edit:

http://www.rockymountainnews.com/drmn/local/article/0,1299,DRMN_15_5174544,00.html

Monday, the homeowners assocation board withdrew its objection to the wreath and threat of daily fines.

"We want to let you know that this evening we just received a letter from the Loma Linda Home Owners Board of Directors stating: 'We had a misunderstanding with your Christmas decoration and for that we apologize. We withdraw any and all previous requests for removal of your decoration,' " Jensen told The Associated Press.

None of the three members of the board was available for comment late Monday. Kearns and Jeff Heitz had their phone numbers changed to unlisted numbers Monday.

Coming back to life

Kenny Olav wrote:

We could argue forever about whatever the "correct" meaning of the symbol is, but if to Lisa Jensen it means peace, that's all that matters.

Exactly. In the same way, not everyone who uses the term "yid" says it to mean jew.

gue_barium

farfromglorified wrote:

No. Choice and action are the foundations of freedom. Offense is simply one of a nearly infinite number of ends.

Smartest thing you've ever posted.

Except for the foundations part.

darkcrow

an update
http://www.nytimes.com/2006/11/29/us/29wreath.html?_r=2&oref=slogin&oref=slogin


Pro-Peace Symbol Forces Win Battle in Colorado Town
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By KIRK JOHNSON
Published: November 29, 2006
DENVER, Nov. 28 — Peace is fighting back in Pagosa Springs.

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Randi Pierce/Durango Herald, via Associated Press
Bill Trimarco and Lisa Jensen with their symbolic wreath.
Last week, a couple were threatened with fines of $25 a day by their homeowners’ association unless they removed a four-foot wreath shaped like a peace symbol from the front of their house.

The fines have been dropped, and the three-member board of the association has resigned, according to an e-mail message sent to residents on Monday.

Two board members have disconnected their telephones, apparently to escape the waves of callers asking what the board could have been thinking, residents said. The third board member, with a working phone, did not return a call for comment.

In its original letter to the couple, Lisa Jensen and Bill Trimarco, the association said some neighbors had found the peace symbol politically “divisive.”

A board member later told a newspaper that he thought the familiar circle with angled lines was also, perhaps, a sign of the devil.

The peace symbol came to prominence in the late 1950s as the logo for the Campaign for Nuclear Disarmament, a British antiwar group, according to the group’s Web site. It incorporates the semaphore flag images for the letters in the group’s name, a “D” atop an “N.”

Other people have said the upright line with arms angled down, commonplace in the United States in the Vietnam War, especially, has roots in the early Christian era, representing a twisted or broken cross.

Mr. Trimarco said he put up the wreath as a general symbol of peace on earth, not as a commentary on the Iraq war or another political statement.

In any case, there are now more peace symbols in Pagosa Springs, a town of 1,700 people 200 miles southwest of Denver, than probably ever in its history.

On Tuesday morning, 20 people marched through the center carrying peace signs and then stomped a giant peace sign in the snow perhaps 300 feet across on a soccer field, where it could be easily seen.

“There’s quite a few now in our subdivision in a show of support,” Mr. Trimarco said.

A former president of the Loma Linda community, where Mr. Trimarco lives, said Tuesday that he had stepped in to help form an interim homeowners’ association.

The former president, Farrell C. Trask, described himself in a telephone interview as a military veteran who would fight for anyone’s right to free speech, peace symbols included.

Town Manager Mark Garcia said Pagosa Springs was building its own peace wreath, too. Mr. Garcia said it would be finished by late Tuesday and installed on a bell tower in the center of town.